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There seem to be a number of problems or inaccuracies in this present account. For example, it's puzzling to refer to a Spanish view of their invincibility when of the two expeditions to Yucatán which preceded Cortés', the first was quite disastrous and in the second they suffered badly in some encounters. And debating that we only have Aguilar's word that Guerrero existed would be contradicted by accounts such as Bernal Diaz's (also a main source for information on Aguilar himself). Perhaps the argument is put forward by whatever source was used, but from the structure it's rather difficult to tell what source that was.-- cjllw | TALK 14:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
This article is somewhat chaotic and has portions of Guerrero's story in the wrong order. Also, the shipwreck info is only 1 of several shipwreck stories about Guerrero. I propose to rewrite it from scratch, unless there's good objection. I intend to use the Cortes and Bernal Diaz data, along with the Cereceda letter to outline the main story. I had not previously seen Chamberlain's reference to a Montejo contact attempt and want to look that up before I start writing. Any objections? Rsheptak 18:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
what I don't understand is the following: in all articles about this 1511-Encounter, they say "two weeks" but nobody mention from when this two weeks are counted - if there is no Date known when this starts, where the Information "2 weeks" come from? Please forgive me my bad english -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 19:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Even if the details of Aguilar's speech upon meeting Cortes' men is largely & necessarily a dramatised construction, there's no particular reason to doubt the 2 weeks.
As far as I know the date of Valdivia's shipwreck is not recorded by any of the sources. According to Peter Martyr d'Anghiera (De Orbe Novo, Valdivia set sail from Panama on the third day of the Ides of January 1511, ie around the 15th. But in any case it's not necessary to know on what date the ship foundered, only that sources indicate they drifted about 2 weeks from when they ran aground on the shoals. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 06:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)
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There seem to be a number of problems or inaccuracies in this present account. For example, it's puzzling to refer to a Spanish view of their invincibility when of the two expeditions to Yucatán which preceded Cortés', the first was quite disastrous and in the second they suffered badly in some encounters. And debating that we only have Aguilar's word that Guerrero existed would be contradicted by accounts such as Bernal Diaz's (also a main source for information on Aguilar himself). Perhaps the argument is put forward by whatever source was used, but from the structure it's rather difficult to tell what source that was.-- cjllw | TALK 14:21, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
This article is somewhat chaotic and has portions of Guerrero's story in the wrong order. Also, the shipwreck info is only 1 of several shipwreck stories about Guerrero. I propose to rewrite it from scratch, unless there's good objection. I intend to use the Cortes and Bernal Diaz data, along with the Cereceda letter to outline the main story. I had not previously seen Chamberlain's reference to a Montejo contact attempt and want to look that up before I start writing. Any objections? Rsheptak 18:16, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
what I don't understand is the following: in all articles about this 1511-Encounter, they say "two weeks" but nobody mention from when this two weeks are counted - if there is no Date known when this starts, where the Information "2 weeks" come from? Please forgive me my bad english -- Hartmann Schedel cheers 19:09, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
Even if the details of Aguilar's speech upon meeting Cortes' men is largely & necessarily a dramatised construction, there's no particular reason to doubt the 2 weeks.
As far as I know the date of Valdivia's shipwreck is not recorded by any of the sources. According to Peter Martyr d'Anghiera (De Orbe Novo, Valdivia set sail from Panama on the third day of the Ides of January 1511, ie around the 15th. But in any case it's not necessary to know on what date the ship foundered, only that sources indicate they drifted about 2 weeks from when they ran aground on the shoals. -- cjllw ʘ TALK 06:41, 23 September 2010 (UTC)