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I noticed Gilli Smyth didn't have a wikipage. I've created a small stub atricle, contributions welcome. -- Salix alba ( talk) 18:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest this. Any objections?-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 15:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a big gap in this article that I don't know how to fill; it doesn't describe Gong's music. Neither does it explain the incredible level of talent and proficiency of the band members. The loose, improvisational, chaotic natuire of Gong'c music only works because the individuals playing it are actually highly skilled musicians, 'letting go'. The best example I saw of this was a Gong/Here and Now double bill. Same musicians, wildly different music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.6.17 ( talk) 16:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I think you raise a good point. A difficulty may be that much of Daevid's early interviews seem purposefully vague or non-committal about styles and objectives, perhaps as a reaction against attempts to 'pigeon-hole' the groups sound(?)How would you begin to describe the music? 92.40.12.161 ( talk) 01:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I think it's rather pointless, chaotic and confusing to add the songtitles and line-up of the albums to the discography-list. This information should be listed on the appropriate album-pages (which should be created if necessary). Mark in wiki ( talk) 12:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Much of this applies to Template:Gong, but I'm suggesting changes here because it probably gets more views; these suggestions also apply to the discography section and others. I'll put this in point form and sign here, to invite responses to individual concerns. -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Personally I never thought of Bill Bruford as a (former) member of Gong. He just happened to fill in a live-spot at a time when Laurie Allan was arrested. But was he made a "member" of the band? What makes someone a member of Gong? Does http://www.planetgong.co.uk say something about this? Or Daevid Allen? Mark in wiki ( talk) 11:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Part of the "Early years" section appears to be wrong, or misleading, or is the result of assumptions made. I'm going to need help and verification before I edit, because I am not certain of some of the facts, and don't want to make similar assumptions! Here is the current state of the text in question, with my coments in ((italics within double rounded brackets)), as any other kind of brackets are likely to be interpreted as Wikicode.
They were subsequently (late 1972) one of the first acts to sign to Virgin Records, getting first pick of the studio-time ahead of Mike Oldfield. ((This looks like a prime candidate for a "citation needed" tag, if not an outright removal if nobody else has heard of this. Opinions please?)) By that time, a regular line-up had established itself and Gong released their Flying Teapot album. (("By that time" refers to "late 1972", the only time mentioned. The album was released in May 1973. The way the article is worded, it sounds like they signed with Virgin, changed their lineup, went in the recording studio, finished the album, and released it, all within a few days!)) After the band signed with Virgin subsidiary Caroline Records, ((I don't believe any artists actually signed with Caroline; it was Virgin's imprint for budget releases, and all its artists were signed with Virgin)) Camembert Electrique was given a belated UK release in late 1974. ((I'm sure this is wrong; Virgin released this album 3 times: as Virgin VC-502 in summer (possibly June) 1973, which is when it sold for 59p, then reissued in 1974 as Caroline C-1505 at a higher price, then in 1977 (never been able to get that date nailed down for certain, but it seems right) as Caroline C-1520, possibly with a different price again, but not anything like 59p. Caroline had a "C-1500" series and a "CA-2000" series with different price levels. I'd like to quote what those prices were, but they changed over the years, and we should be quoting 1973 prices, which I don't have. Daevid's Banana Moon on Caroline in 1975, C-1512, was priced at 1.49 according to an RRP sticker on my copy, which makes me think the "C" series was cheaper than "CA" but I'm not certain. It would also be helpful to state what the retail price of a normal album was in 1973. I'm not from England, so I wasn't there at the time!)) It was priced at 59p (that is, the price of a typical single rather than an album), ensuring that sufficient numbers were sold for the album to chart had it not been barred from the charts for being so cheap. ((Now is it really true that Virgin were trying to get it to chart, and is "barred" an appropriate word? Or is it that the album just didn't qualify because of existing rules, and Virgin was aware of this, but priced it cheap for promotion, hoping purchasers of CE would also buy FT? By the way, going back to those cheap 59p albums, there were only 3 releases in the Virgin VC-500 series; the other two were The Faust Tapes by Faust (VC-501, June 1973, also 59p), and The Front Line reggae compilation, issued as VC-503 in 1976 and sold at 69p, still the price of a single, which had risen by 10p between 1973 and 1976; that album was also reissued on Caroline in 1977 (again, date is not 100% certain) as C-1521 (note this number is adjacent to the CE reissue, so both were probably reissued at the same time).))
There used to be a website with a lot of the info I'm seeking (including Caroline's price structure), but it's long gone. -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:16, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Follow-up: The article about Faust (band) says CE was released in 1974 after all, and their explanation makes sense. But they also state that The Faust Tapes' "low price tag rendered it ineligible for a chart placing" (which is the kind of better wording I was looking for), and since that happened a year before Virgin issued CE, they must have known it could not chart at that price, and therefore it must have been so priced for the reason I gave. -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Well then, now that I've figured that out for myself, I have enough to do the edit! -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone care to write a start for an article about Mother Gong? The band deserves it, and the discography for Mother Gong, now in the Gong-article, could be moved there. I don't know enough of their history. Nothing, actually. Mark in wiki ( talk) 17:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The text Daevid Allen has hinted that the group maybe be signing to a new label. But in late 2009 it was stated the other current members may have a interest in leaving the band, meaning by default the band would have to split. was added to the subsection "Early years" of the section "History" by Dizzal-2010. In my view, 2009 is not part of Gong's early years. So I moved the text to the subsection "Reunions and Acid Mothers Gong" where it appears at least less misplaced IMHO. Also, I added {{ fact}}, since the text is unreferenced and therefore at least questionable. Wwwhatsup undid my edit with the simple summary Conjecture. I think that rather matches the edit before mine, so I have just restored my edit. BNutzer ( talk) 21:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) I have also had the impression that it may have been a removal attempt by Wwwhatsup gone wrong. I hadn't wanted to remove the text without offering the chance for citation by tagging it ... it would be fine with me if it was removed, though. Time will tell ;) BNutzer ( talk) 23:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This section is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, it is unsourced, besides the one introductory sentence. It should be removed entirely. Cosprings ( talk) 16:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Following Wikipedia infobox guidelines, I arranged all members by order in which they joined the band, and added those who were missing (See: Template:Infobox musical artist for reference). However, one name in the infobox, Gabe Rogasner, I can't find anything about. Was he actually a member of Gong, and if so when? Burbridge92 ( talk) 11:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed that this page has no proper members section or timeline, only the chart thing on the right side of the page. What are people's opinions of this? Do we feel that the the chronology on the page is sufficient? Furthermore, does that chronology show the names of every musician who was ever an official Gong member? If so then there are many names which need to be removed from the infobox, if not then we definitely need a new members section of some sort on the page. Any answers/thoughts to these queries will be much appreciated. Burbridge92 ( talk) 17:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Burbridge92, you seem to have some buy-in on this so thought I would run it past you, is there any value in splitting the timeline graphic (which I am happy to do) say 68-78 titled Timeline Early days and then 91 to present, it may show a bit more detail and be easier to read and see some of the shorter duration members stays with the band, cheers let me know. The Original Filfi ( talk) 13:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Add user tag to gain attention User:Burbridge92 The Original Filfi ( talk) 12:00, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Support split - Members section is becoming long and should be split to a new article entitled List of Gong band members. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 23:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Support split - Especially the part "line-ups" is too long because of its attention to detail. I feel the article would benefit from a short paragraph listing the most important members and a link to a new article listing all members. As an aside, I feel that the Gong discography could benefit from being split into a new article as well, leaving only the regular studio albums in the article about the band. Mark in wiki ( talk) 11:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Mark in wiki:@ Nectar3: @ HurluGumene: Added some information about the new album, I was wondering if the regular contributors to this article perhaps have more info? Karst ( talk) 16:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)
![]() | This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 |
I noticed Gilli Smyth didn't have a wikipage. I've created a small stub atricle, contributions welcome. -- Salix alba ( talk) 18:11, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
I suggest this. Any objections?-- h i s s p a c e r e s e a r c h 15:25, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
There is a big gap in this article that I don't know how to fill; it doesn't describe Gong's music. Neither does it explain the incredible level of talent and proficiency of the band members. The loose, improvisational, chaotic natuire of Gong'c music only works because the individuals playing it are actually highly skilled musicians, 'letting go'. The best example I saw of this was a Gong/Here and Now double bill. Same musicians, wildly different music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.6.17 ( talk) 16:11, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
I think you raise a good point. A difficulty may be that much of Daevid's early interviews seem purposefully vague or non-committal about styles and objectives, perhaps as a reaction against attempts to 'pigeon-hole' the groups sound(?)How would you begin to describe the music? 92.40.12.161 ( talk) 01:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
I think it's rather pointless, chaotic and confusing to add the songtitles and line-up of the albums to the discography-list. This information should be listed on the appropriate album-pages (which should be created if necessary). Mark in wiki ( talk) 12:33, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
Much of this applies to Template:Gong, but I'm suggesting changes here because it probably gets more views; these suggestions also apply to the discography section and others. I'll put this in point form and sign here, to invite responses to individual concerns. -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:54, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
Personally I never thought of Bill Bruford as a (former) member of Gong. He just happened to fill in a live-spot at a time when Laurie Allan was arrested. But was he made a "member" of the band? What makes someone a member of Gong? Does http://www.planetgong.co.uk say something about this? Or Daevid Allen? Mark in wiki ( talk) 11:32, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Part of the "Early years" section appears to be wrong, or misleading, or is the result of assumptions made. I'm going to need help and verification before I edit, because I am not certain of some of the facts, and don't want to make similar assumptions! Here is the current state of the text in question, with my coments in ((italics within double rounded brackets)), as any other kind of brackets are likely to be interpreted as Wikicode.
They were subsequently (late 1972) one of the first acts to sign to Virgin Records, getting first pick of the studio-time ahead of Mike Oldfield. ((This looks like a prime candidate for a "citation needed" tag, if not an outright removal if nobody else has heard of this. Opinions please?)) By that time, a regular line-up had established itself and Gong released their Flying Teapot album. (("By that time" refers to "late 1972", the only time mentioned. The album was released in May 1973. The way the article is worded, it sounds like they signed with Virgin, changed their lineup, went in the recording studio, finished the album, and released it, all within a few days!)) After the band signed with Virgin subsidiary Caroline Records, ((I don't believe any artists actually signed with Caroline; it was Virgin's imprint for budget releases, and all its artists were signed with Virgin)) Camembert Electrique was given a belated UK release in late 1974. ((I'm sure this is wrong; Virgin released this album 3 times: as Virgin VC-502 in summer (possibly June) 1973, which is when it sold for 59p, then reissued in 1974 as Caroline C-1505 at a higher price, then in 1977 (never been able to get that date nailed down for certain, but it seems right) as Caroline C-1520, possibly with a different price again, but not anything like 59p. Caroline had a "C-1500" series and a "CA-2000" series with different price levels. I'd like to quote what those prices were, but they changed over the years, and we should be quoting 1973 prices, which I don't have. Daevid's Banana Moon on Caroline in 1975, C-1512, was priced at 1.49 according to an RRP sticker on my copy, which makes me think the "C" series was cheaper than "CA" but I'm not certain. It would also be helpful to state what the retail price of a normal album was in 1973. I'm not from England, so I wasn't there at the time!)) It was priced at 59p (that is, the price of a typical single rather than an album), ensuring that sufficient numbers were sold for the album to chart had it not been barred from the charts for being so cheap. ((Now is it really true that Virgin were trying to get it to chart, and is "barred" an appropriate word? Or is it that the album just didn't qualify because of existing rules, and Virgin was aware of this, but priced it cheap for promotion, hoping purchasers of CE would also buy FT? By the way, going back to those cheap 59p albums, there were only 3 releases in the Virgin VC-500 series; the other two were The Faust Tapes by Faust (VC-501, June 1973, also 59p), and The Front Line reggae compilation, issued as VC-503 in 1976 and sold at 69p, still the price of a single, which had risen by 10p between 1973 and 1976; that album was also reissued on Caroline in 1977 (again, date is not 100% certain) as C-1521 (note this number is adjacent to the CE reissue, so both were probably reissued at the same time).))
There used to be a website with a lot of the info I'm seeking (including Caroline's price structure), but it's long gone. -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:16, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Follow-up: The article about Faust (band) says CE was released in 1974 after all, and their explanation makes sense. But they also state that The Faust Tapes' "low price tag rendered it ineligible for a chart placing" (which is the kind of better wording I was looking for), and since that happened a year before Virgin issued CE, they must have known it could not chart at that price, and therefore it must have been so priced for the reason I gave. -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:40, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Well then, now that I've figured that out for myself, I have enough to do the edit! -- A Knight Who Says Ni ( talk) 15:57, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
Would anyone care to write a start for an article about Mother Gong? The band deserves it, and the discography for Mother Gong, now in the Gong-article, could be moved there. I don't know enough of their history. Nothing, actually. Mark in wiki ( talk) 17:29, 7 March 2010 (UTC)
The text Daevid Allen has hinted that the group maybe be signing to a new label. But in late 2009 it was stated the other current members may have a interest in leaving the band, meaning by default the band would have to split. was added to the subsection "Early years" of the section "History" by Dizzal-2010. In my view, 2009 is not part of Gong's early years. So I moved the text to the subsection "Reunions and Acid Mothers Gong" where it appears at least less misplaced IMHO. Also, I added {{ fact}}, since the text is unreferenced and therefore at least questionable. Wwwhatsup undid my edit with the simple summary Conjecture. I think that rather matches the edit before mine, so I have just restored my edit. BNutzer ( talk) 21:15, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
(unindent) I have also had the impression that it may have been a removal attempt by Wwwhatsup gone wrong. I hadn't wanted to remove the text without offering the chance for citation by tagging it ... it would be fine with me if it was removed, though. Time will tell ;) BNutzer ( talk) 23:48, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
This section is inappropriate for an encyclopedia. Furthermore, it is unsourced, besides the one introductory sentence. It should be removed entirely. Cosprings ( talk) 16:11, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Following Wikipedia infobox guidelines, I arranged all members by order in which they joined the band, and added those who were missing (See: Template:Infobox musical artist for reference). However, one name in the infobox, Gabe Rogasner, I can't find anything about. Was he actually a member of Gong, and if so when? Burbridge92 ( talk) 11:40, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed that this page has no proper members section or timeline, only the chart thing on the right side of the page. What are people's opinions of this? Do we feel that the the chronology on the page is sufficient? Furthermore, does that chronology show the names of every musician who was ever an official Gong member? If so then there are many names which need to be removed from the infobox, if not then we definitely need a new members section of some sort on the page. Any answers/thoughts to these queries will be much appreciated. Burbridge92 ( talk) 17:10, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Hi Burbridge92, you seem to have some buy-in on this so thought I would run it past you, is there any value in splitting the timeline graphic (which I am happy to do) say 68-78 titled Timeline Early days and then 91 to present, it may show a bit more detail and be easier to read and see some of the shorter duration members stays with the band, cheers let me know. The Original Filfi ( talk) 13:02, 21 July 2015 (UTC)
Add user tag to gain attention User:Burbridge92 The Original Filfi ( talk) 12:00, 23 July 2015 (UTC)
Support split - Members section is becoming long and should be split to a new article entitled List of Gong band members. -- Jax 0677 ( talk) 23:47, 1 January 2016 (UTC)
Support split - Especially the part "line-ups" is too long because of its attention to detail. I feel the article would benefit from a short paragraph listing the most important members and a link to a new article listing all members. As an aside, I feel that the Gong discography could benefit from being split into a new article as well, leaving only the regular studio albums in the article about the band. Mark in wiki ( talk) 11:12, 2 January 2016 (UTC)
@ Mark in wiki:@ Nectar3: @ HurluGumene: Added some information about the new album, I was wondering if the regular contributors to this article perhaps have more info? Karst ( talk) 16:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)