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Can someone please verify that the Goliath is actually the same as the Beetle tank with a citation? Thanks! Tntdj ( talk) 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
"Though inoperative" means what—they all were rendered inoperative on the way to their targets? Were the Goliaths sitting out with their cables extended during the pre-assault barrage, or was artillery brought to bear on them? Does GIs imply they were only used on the U.S. landing beaches? Does "killed him" refer to killing the Goliath, or does that mean a GI "killed himself" and a dozen of his comrades, and how did the grenade get inside the armoured Goliath?
Please provide a citation and clear up the ambiguity. — Michael Z. 2006-08-14 05:29 Z
Several 3D renderings and a model made with BRL-CAD are available here. http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/goliath/
One, I challenge the "most notoriously". Actually I could not find references to this "notorious" use that weren't back-references to this WP article; neither the German nor the English article of the uprising makes any mention of Goliaths. Note that I don't challenge the use of Goliaths in Warsaw, just its "notoriosity" (e.g. when compared to other, heavier weaponry employed), and the amount of weight given to the uprising in the article.
Two, I challenge the necessity, and indeed effectivity, of "antitank weapons" (Bazooka? AT gun?) against a moving target of about 85x60cm. The ideal weapon against a Goliath would probably be an anti-tank rifle...
I'd like to see some sources (other than the "Kanal" dramatic re-enactment), or alternatively recommend cutting back that paragraph to "Goliaths were also deployed against the Polish resistance during the Warsaw Uprising 1944", full stop. -- DevSolar ( talk) 11:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
What's the source for this? I can find none, and no German source for any phrase that translates to anything near. The British equivalent, the Mobile Land Mine, does have a similar name, but that's quite a different device. Is this a just a wikineologism? Andy Dingley ( talk) 09:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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Can someone please verify that the Goliath is actually the same as the Beetle tank with a citation? Thanks! Tntdj ( talk) 18:52, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
"Though inoperative" means what—they all were rendered inoperative on the way to their targets? Were the Goliaths sitting out with their cables extended during the pre-assault barrage, or was artillery brought to bear on them? Does GIs imply they were only used on the U.S. landing beaches? Does "killed him" refer to killing the Goliath, or does that mean a GI "killed himself" and a dozen of his comrades, and how did the grenade get inside the armoured Goliath?
Please provide a citation and clear up the ambiguity. — Michael Z. 2006-08-14 05:29 Z
Several 3D renderings and a model made with BRL-CAD are available here. http://brlcad.org/gallery/s/renderings/goliath/
One, I challenge the "most notoriously". Actually I could not find references to this "notorious" use that weren't back-references to this WP article; neither the German nor the English article of the uprising makes any mention of Goliaths. Note that I don't challenge the use of Goliaths in Warsaw, just its "notoriosity" (e.g. when compared to other, heavier weaponry employed), and the amount of weight given to the uprising in the article.
Two, I challenge the necessity, and indeed effectivity, of "antitank weapons" (Bazooka? AT gun?) against a moving target of about 85x60cm. The ideal weapon against a Goliath would probably be an anti-tank rifle...
I'd like to see some sources (other than the "Kanal" dramatic re-enactment), or alternatively recommend cutting back that paragraph to "Goliaths were also deployed against the Polish resistance during the Warsaw Uprising 1944", full stop. -- DevSolar ( talk) 11:53, 17 June 2013 (UTC)
What's the source for this? I can find none, and no German source for any phrase that translates to anything near. The British equivalent, the Mobile Land Mine, does have a similar name, but that's quite a different device. Is this a just a wikineologism? Andy Dingley ( talk) 09:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
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