The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that in 1975,
David Bowie sang "Golden Years" on Soul Train, in which he appeared intoxicated and incoherent?
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According to our article the king died in 1977, so he couldnt have died too soon?
Stbalbach 05:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Bowie wrote the song but didn't release it until after King's death.
Rentastrawberry 16:14, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
I'm wrong again. Bowie released, but he didn't dedicate it to Elvis before his death.
Rentastrawberry 16:20, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
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BetacommandBot 18:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)reply
"of his tenth studio album" → "from his tenth studio album," and while the fact it is from the album should be kept here, shouldn't the lead single part be its own sentence after the production and contributions/vocals one?
IMO it works better here
"Bowie claimed the song was" → "David said the song was" per
MOS:SAMESURNAME and to avoid using "claimed" twice in this sentence; it is less appropriate when the person making the claim is the performer
I don't think Elvis Presley should be introduced here when he is in the body and most know of him anyway
Both done
Should she be referred to as Angie or Angela?
Former
"in September 1975." → "during September 1975."
"It was co-produced by Bowie" → "The song was co-produced by David Bowie" per his wife being the most recent mentioned
"featured contributions from" → "features contributions from" and are you sure the identities of the musicians should be here when they are already in the body? Potentially as a fix, you could write "on bass", "on drums", etc here.
"of the album's production." → "of Station to Station's production." since "the album" is used too many times by this point
The years of the songs are not notable for the lead, also the term "single" is useless after the Diamonds' when the apostrophe shows the song is theirs
"of "Golden Years" included" → "of the song included"
But three different songs are mentioned before this, so saying "the song" in this instance could mean any of those. – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
You used "the song" only to refer to "Golden Years" though and influences have been previously mentioned, therefore it won't be confusing when this term is used here. --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Fixed. – zmbro(
talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"and being sealed off from" → "and being isolated from" to be less repetitive with the body
"thAat he will always protect her" → "that she will always be protected by him" per above
Remove American television show introduction to Soul Train
Add a sentence after the upon release one noting the song later charting in Ireland, the Netherlands and Sweden
The pipe to Mini Tour should only be on the first word because otherwise it sounds like a collection of tours
Above five done
There aren't enough reviews for a critical consensus and shouldn't this be at the start of the section anyway?
Will come back – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Quite good, reworded it though to be a bit smoother. --
K. Peake 11:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"by numerous artists, and appeared in" → "by numerous artists and made appearances in"
Done
Writing and recording
This would be better-titled background and recording, as a lot of the info is background and that is supposed to begin an article
Add release year of the film in brackets
"Bowie's first wife Angie Bowie later claimed David" → "David's first wife Angie Bowie later claimed he" per MOS:SAMESURNAME; use the forename on the first instance in the sentence
Surround 'The Prettiest Star' with single quotation marks per
MOS:QWQ
Rather than topping the charts, shouldn't you write the Billboard Hot 100?
"in September,[9] he → "in September 1975,[9] Bowie"
Above done
"was recruited to play bass." → "was recruited for his instrument."
I don't like that but I agree it's super derivative as is. Would matching the lead be better (i.e. 'on guitar', 'on bass', etc.)? – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep merely as "was recruited" since you are doing practically the same for the guitarists earlier in this sentence. --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
If the equipment is still present now, change "it featured" to "it features"
I have no idea if it still does. The source uses "featured" so that's what I used. – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"the majority of the album," → "the majority of Station to Station,"
Done
Composition
Retitle to Composition and lyrics
Change the title of the audio sample to the song's name since you can mention the chorus on the text
"This sample showcases the song's elements of funk" → "An audio sample, showcasing the song's elements of
funk on the
chorus" with the wikilink and pipe
"the new single and was afterward scolded" → ""Golden Years" and was scolded afterwards"
Remove pipe on DJ
"to promote the single worldwide." → "for promotion worldwide."
Above four done
[3] should be at the end of the para's penultimate sentence too since it is the only ref used for that one
I'm confused by this. – zmbro(
talk) 15:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
[3] is at the end of the first para's last sentence before [21], but it should also be invoked at the end of the previous one. --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Like that? – zmbro(
talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Spot on! --
K. Peake 11:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"Like "
Rebel Rebel"'s relationship to" → "Like the relationship of "
Rebel Rebel" with"
"for the album to come." → "for the then-upcoming album."
"of Bowie's tenth studio album Station to Station" → "from Station to Station"
Remove "later that month" since this is a new para
"on 21 November—while" → "on 21 November 1975 while"
"as the B-side and the catalogue number was" → "with the catalogue number of"
"It subsequently appeared as the second track on the album," → "The song subsequently appeared as the second track on Station to Station,"
"of the single" → "of fellow Station to Station track" removing the part in brackets from later on
"An updated single of" → "An updated single version of" or something similar
Remove pipes the Billboard Hot 100 since this will have been mentioned previously once the changes have been implemented
"It peaked at" → "The song further peaked at"
"Belgium
Wallonia" → "Belgium's
Wallonia region" to be specific; do the same for Flanders
"and was a top-ten hit in" → "alongside scoring top-10 positions in" per
MOS:NUM
Above done
Critical reception
Is it possible to add more reviews so an actual critical consensus can be reached?
I'll try – zmbro(
talk) 15:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Decent job here! --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"gave immense praise" → "gave heavy praise"
Add [] around (1973) because the year is not written in the source's text
The production sub-heading has a small amount of content; maybe add producer to Bowie's initial roles under personnel and move Harry Maslin to being at the end of the personnel listed?
All done
Chart history
Retitle to Charts, as this title implies there is a detailed history of the song's performance on charts
Done
Weekly charts
Maybe the 2016 chart positions should be in a separate table since there was a reasonable amount of them?
Done
Year-end charts
Good
Cover versions and appearances in media
This section should be the one directly below live performances & subsequent releases
Remove the first sentence since this section existing makes that clear instantly
"Crackerjack! Pegg calls this rendition" → "Crackerjack!. Pegg calls the rendition" since an exclamation mark only works for ending a sentence when it is part of a quote
On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this review went quickly! --
K. Peake 20:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)reply
It seems I really should have proofread this before nominating... – zmbro(
talk) 15:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Zmbro You should have especially in certain areas; I have left comments in response now! --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Yeah ngl I'm kind of embarrassed regarding a few of these. I guess I should go back and check all the other current noms... – zmbro(
talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Zmbro✓Pass time, top job on working through all of this in a few days! --
K. Peake 11:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Did you know nomination
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... that in 1975,
David Bowie sang "Golden Years" on Soul Train, where he appeared intoxicated and incoherent? Source: Pegg, Nicholas. The Complete David Bowie (Revised and Updated).
Titan Books: London (2016). 978-1-78565-365-0, pp. 565–566
Improved to Good Article status by
Zmbro (
talk). Self-nominated at 03:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC).reply
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: AGF on a book source. Note: I examined the Earwig match to
this website and found that it was a reverse copyvio; the website copied from the Wikipedia article without attribution. No QPQ needed as nominator has less than five credits; good to go.
DanCherek (
talk) 06:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)reply
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that in 1975,
David Bowie sang "Golden Years" on Soul Train, in which he appeared intoxicated and incoherent?
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According to our article the king died in 1977, so he couldnt have died too soon?
Stbalbach 05:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Bowie wrote the song but didn't release it until after King's death.
Rentastrawberry 16:14, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
I'm wrong again. Bowie released, but he didn't dedicate it to Elvis before his death.
Rentastrawberry 16:20, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
Fair use rationale for Image:Bowie GoldenYears.jpg
Image:Bowie GoldenYears.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under
fair use but there is no
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Please go to
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BetacommandBot 18:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)reply
"of his tenth studio album" → "from his tenth studio album," and while the fact it is from the album should be kept here, shouldn't the lead single part be its own sentence after the production and contributions/vocals one?
IMO it works better here
"Bowie claimed the song was" → "David said the song was" per
MOS:SAMESURNAME and to avoid using "claimed" twice in this sentence; it is less appropriate when the person making the claim is the performer
I don't think Elvis Presley should be introduced here when he is in the body and most know of him anyway
Both done
Should she be referred to as Angie or Angela?
Former
"in September 1975." → "during September 1975."
"It was co-produced by Bowie" → "The song was co-produced by David Bowie" per his wife being the most recent mentioned
"featured contributions from" → "features contributions from" and are you sure the identities of the musicians should be here when they are already in the body? Potentially as a fix, you could write "on bass", "on drums", etc here.
"of the album's production." → "of Station to Station's production." since "the album" is used too many times by this point
The years of the songs are not notable for the lead, also the term "single" is useless after the Diamonds' when the apostrophe shows the song is theirs
"of "Golden Years" included" → "of the song included"
But three different songs are mentioned before this, so saying "the song" in this instance could mean any of those. – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
You used "the song" only to refer to "Golden Years" though and influences have been previously mentioned, therefore it won't be confusing when this term is used here. --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Fixed. – zmbro(
talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"and being sealed off from" → "and being isolated from" to be less repetitive with the body
"thAat he will always protect her" → "that she will always be protected by him" per above
Remove American television show introduction to Soul Train
Add a sentence after the upon release one noting the song later charting in Ireland, the Netherlands and Sweden
The pipe to Mini Tour should only be on the first word because otherwise it sounds like a collection of tours
Above five done
There aren't enough reviews for a critical consensus and shouldn't this be at the start of the section anyway?
Will come back – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Quite good, reworded it though to be a bit smoother. --
K. Peake 11:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"by numerous artists, and appeared in" → "by numerous artists and made appearances in"
Done
Writing and recording
This would be better-titled background and recording, as a lot of the info is background and that is supposed to begin an article
Add release year of the film in brackets
"Bowie's first wife Angie Bowie later claimed David" → "David's first wife Angie Bowie later claimed he" per MOS:SAMESURNAME; use the forename on the first instance in the sentence
Surround 'The Prettiest Star' with single quotation marks per
MOS:QWQ
Rather than topping the charts, shouldn't you write the Billboard Hot 100?
"in September,[9] he → "in September 1975,[9] Bowie"
Above done
"was recruited to play bass." → "was recruited for his instrument."
I don't like that but I agree it's super derivative as is. Would matching the lead be better (i.e. 'on guitar', 'on bass', etc.)? – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Keep merely as "was recruited" since you are doing practically the same for the guitarists earlier in this sentence. --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
If the equipment is still present now, change "it featured" to "it features"
I have no idea if it still does. The source uses "featured" so that's what I used. – zmbro(
talk) 14:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"the majority of the album," → "the majority of Station to Station,"
Done
Composition
Retitle to Composition and lyrics
Change the title of the audio sample to the song's name since you can mention the chorus on the text
"This sample showcases the song's elements of funk" → "An audio sample, showcasing the song's elements of
funk on the
chorus" with the wikilink and pipe
"the new single and was afterward scolded" → ""Golden Years" and was scolded afterwards"
Remove pipe on DJ
"to promote the single worldwide." → "for promotion worldwide."
Above four done
[3] should be at the end of the para's penultimate sentence too since it is the only ref used for that one
I'm confused by this. – zmbro(
talk) 15:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
[3] is at the end of the first para's last sentence before [21], but it should also be invoked at the end of the previous one. --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Like that? – zmbro(
talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Spot on! --
K. Peake 11:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"Like "
Rebel Rebel"'s relationship to" → "Like the relationship of "
Rebel Rebel" with"
"for the album to come." → "for the then-upcoming album."
"of Bowie's tenth studio album Station to Station" → "from Station to Station"
Remove "later that month" since this is a new para
"on 21 November—while" → "on 21 November 1975 while"
"as the B-side and the catalogue number was" → "with the catalogue number of"
"It subsequently appeared as the second track on the album," → "The song subsequently appeared as the second track on Station to Station,"
"of the single" → "of fellow Station to Station track" removing the part in brackets from later on
"An updated single of" → "An updated single version of" or something similar
Remove pipes the Billboard Hot 100 since this will have been mentioned previously once the changes have been implemented
"It peaked at" → "The song further peaked at"
"Belgium
Wallonia" → "Belgium's
Wallonia region" to be specific; do the same for Flanders
"and was a top-ten hit in" → "alongside scoring top-10 positions in" per
MOS:NUM
Above done
Critical reception
Is it possible to add more reviews so an actual critical consensus can be reached?
I'll try – zmbro(
talk) 15:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Decent job here! --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
"gave immense praise" → "gave heavy praise"
Add [] around (1973) because the year is not written in the source's text
The production sub-heading has a small amount of content; maybe add producer to Bowie's initial roles under personnel and move Harry Maslin to being at the end of the personnel listed?
All done
Chart history
Retitle to Charts, as this title implies there is a detailed history of the song's performance on charts
Done
Weekly charts
Maybe the 2016 chart positions should be in a separate table since there was a reasonable amount of them?
Done
Year-end charts
Good
Cover versions and appearances in media
This section should be the one directly below live performances & subsequent releases
Remove the first sentence since this section existing makes that clear instantly
"Crackerjack! Pegg calls this rendition" → "Crackerjack!. Pegg calls the rendition" since an exclamation mark only works for ending a sentence when it is part of a quote
On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this review went quickly! --
K. Peake 20:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)reply
It seems I really should have proofread this before nominating... – zmbro(
talk) 15:46, 12 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Zmbro You should have especially in certain areas; I have left comments in response now! --
K. Peake 10:54, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Yeah ngl I'm kind of embarrassed regarding a few of these. I guess I should go back and check all the other current noms... – zmbro(
talk) 18:09, 13 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Zmbro✓Pass time, top job on working through all of this in a few days! --
K. Peake 11:20, 14 November 2021 (UTC)reply
Did you know nomination
The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as
this nomination's talk page,
the article's talk page or
Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.
... that in 1975,
David Bowie sang "Golden Years" on Soul Train, where he appeared intoxicated and incoherent? Source: Pegg, Nicholas. The Complete David Bowie (Revised and Updated).
Titan Books: London (2016). 978-1-78565-365-0, pp. 565–566
Improved to Good Article status by
Zmbro (
talk). Self-nominated at 03:36, 21 November 2021 (UTC).reply
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
Interesting:
QPQ: None required.
Overall: AGF on a book source. Note: I examined the Earwig match to
this website and found that it was a reverse copyvio; the website copied from the Wikipedia article without attribution. No QPQ needed as nominator has less than five credits; good to go.
DanCherek (
talk) 06:43, 22 November 2021 (UTC)reply