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And in French the Golden Fleece is the Toison d'Or. In Italian, Jupiter is now Giove. But why are we being told this? Wetman 02:01, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Well, Colchis is in modern Georgia...I guess that's why. Probably still unnecessary. Adam Bishop 02:03, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Since Georgian is only attested from the 4th century AD, it seems unlikely that the Georgian name is relevant to the ancient story. I will remove it. -- Macrakis ( talk) 13:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
User:Giorgi_Balakhadze added back the Georgian name in the lead, with the edit comment "This myth is not only Greek, it's Georgian also. So Georgian name must be included in the article." But the rest of the article says nothing about a Georgian myth, only a myth about Georgia. No doubt the myth is known in Georgia nowadays (as it is in Denmark and Hawaii), but is there any historical evidence of Georgian origins, and in particular, of the Georgian name ოქროს საწმისი? -- Macrakis ( talk) 16:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
There used to be an Australian petrol station chain called "Golden Fleece".
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Contrary to the movie story of Jason and the Argonauts, the Golden Fleece was never did found. It is so, because Phrixius whose sister Helen fell off the ram, landed in an island in Asia; whereas, he scrificed the Ram back to its father, Posiedon-the seagod. Think may know the location of the island and it is not Colcous-Georgia. Do contact this no. 240-667-6879, HRH. Paduka's (the Eastern King) contact for this search? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.48.89.155 ( talk) 00:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Is Graves' interpretation based on evidence? Canon 21:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know an academic reference for the idea of the Golden Fleece being the skin of a takin (Budorcas taxicolor)? It seems like a very widespread rumour, at least wherever takins are concerned... Koromislo 01:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I've restored the interpretations section to represent the prevailing opinion of the archeological community and the chief alternatives. Canon 13:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there archeological references for the use of fleece in deep gold mines in Colchis prior to the 5th century BC? Canon ( talk) 18:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. 206.72.25.210 ( talk) 17:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Brand's ideas are pure speculation without evidential support. To say that people thought that the ram was a magic symbol is trite. So what ancient people worshipped the ram? The washing theory is more credible and is based on the potential use of a fleece for collecting gold dust. Gold was the first metal to be produced in all cultures and its properties were seen as magical (colour, lack of corrosion, malleability) so was fabricated into sacred objects, crowns and so on. There is general agreement among archaeologists that washing placer deposits is the most likely source of the first extraction methods rather than hard rock mining. Gold dust occurs by weathering of the latter, and further concentration occurs by river action into nuggets. Fleeces would have been an efficient form of collection because the fine hairs impede the flow of water on a washing table, and the greases present in the hair will have held the gold when trapped by the hairs. Of course it is only a theory, and my minor changes to the article simply clarified the issues. Peterlewis ( talk) 06:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Anachronistic?? It sounds to me as though you accept strange ideas without any degree of reality. As one who has published many papers in learned journals about ancient gold mining, the theory of placer washing is much more credible than most of the other suggestions in the current article. Historians who immerse themselves in a culture risk losing sight of the overall picture of basic technology. I simply corrected the current article to reflect a reasonable interpretation of the theory, not a POV attempt to distort the hypothesis. Peterlewis ( talk) 18:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to propose that either we start a new section on this topic and move the second and third paragraphs of the Interpretations section to it, or we consider this as an extension to the Synthesized Plot Synopsis section and move those same two paragraphs to the end of that section. Opinions? Canon ( talk) 18:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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You know Merino was name of a tribe of Berbers, living in Northern Africa, Sahara, part also of Tuareg, who entered the Iberian Peninsula through the Gibraltar strait along with Arabs, bringing with them their fine wool sheep, wearing their name. For professor Villena, microbiologist at 12 de Octubre Hospital, Madrid, Spain: 'Egyptians, Berbers, Guanches and Baskes', all shared ethnicity (a common trait in all of them being a higher presence of negative Rh factor), language, culture, old religion. It can be proposed that Ancient Greeks may have had, as an extreme sport, going to the land of Berbers, near the Hercules Columns, cutting a fleece from their sheep and returning to homeland. There was a 20th century report of an adult Cyclope living in one of the Canary Islands; besides multimalformed fetuses having an elephant like trunk, a single eye, congenital severe heart disease, who die soon after delivery, the Cyclopean Anomaly is described in sheep having eaten some plants that contain what was later identified as an Edgehog pathway inhibitor, this leading to discovery of 'Vismodegib', a successful drug in fighting cancer. In studying legends, a good approach may be considering it as true events, but arriving to us deformed and adorned by passing along many copyists and story tellers. Denial is a psychopathic personality trait, even if hidden as 'hyper-rationality', or 'materialism'. Paranoid personalities have their pleasure in applying punishments to those offending 'the official and only truth', and get some cents from this. Beware of Dog! DáDá Siegt! Agur. Salut + — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hijuecutivo ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
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"The story is of great antiquity and was current in the time of Homer", source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.4.241 ( talk) 04:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
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And in French the Golden Fleece is the Toison d'Or. In Italian, Jupiter is now Giove. But why are we being told this? Wetman 02:01, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Well, Colchis is in modern Georgia...I guess that's why. Probably still unnecessary. Adam Bishop 02:03, 28 Jan 2004 (UTC)
Since Georgian is only attested from the 4th century AD, it seems unlikely that the Georgian name is relevant to the ancient story. I will remove it. -- Macrakis ( talk) 13:43, 25 July 2013 (UTC)
User:Giorgi_Balakhadze added back the Georgian name in the lead, with the edit comment "This myth is not only Greek, it's Georgian also. So Georgian name must be included in the article." But the rest of the article says nothing about a Georgian myth, only a myth about Georgia. No doubt the myth is known in Georgia nowadays (as it is in Denmark and Hawaii), but is there any historical evidence of Georgian origins, and in particular, of the Georgian name ოქროს საწმისი? -- Macrakis ( talk) 16:41, 27 July 2013 (UTC)
There used to be an Australian petrol station chain called "Golden Fleece".
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Contrary to the movie story of Jason and the Argonauts, the Golden Fleece was never did found. It is so, because Phrixius whose sister Helen fell off the ram, landed in an island in Asia; whereas, he scrificed the Ram back to its father, Posiedon-the seagod. Think may know the location of the island and it is not Colcous-Georgia. Do contact this no. 240-667-6879, HRH. Paduka's (the Eastern King) contact for this search? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.48.89.155 ( talk) 00:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)
Is Graves' interpretation based on evidence? Canon 21:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know an academic reference for the idea of the Golden Fleece being the skin of a takin (Budorcas taxicolor)? It seems like a very widespread rumour, at least wherever takins are concerned... Koromislo 01:16, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
I've restored the interpretations section to represent the prevailing opinion of the archeological community and the chief alternatives. Canon 13:41, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Are there archeological references for the use of fleece in deep gold mines in Colchis prior to the 5th century BC? Canon ( talk) 18:21, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
I agree. 206.72.25.210 ( talk) 17:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
Brand's ideas are pure speculation without evidential support. To say that people thought that the ram was a magic symbol is trite. So what ancient people worshipped the ram? The washing theory is more credible and is based on the potential use of a fleece for collecting gold dust. Gold was the first metal to be produced in all cultures and its properties were seen as magical (colour, lack of corrosion, malleability) so was fabricated into sacred objects, crowns and so on. There is general agreement among archaeologists that washing placer deposits is the most likely source of the first extraction methods rather than hard rock mining. Gold dust occurs by weathering of the latter, and further concentration occurs by river action into nuggets. Fleeces would have been an efficient form of collection because the fine hairs impede the flow of water on a washing table, and the greases present in the hair will have held the gold when trapped by the hairs. Of course it is only a theory, and my minor changes to the article simply clarified the issues. Peterlewis ( talk) 06:27, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Anachronistic?? It sounds to me as though you accept strange ideas without any degree of reality. As one who has published many papers in learned journals about ancient gold mining, the theory of placer washing is much more credible than most of the other suggestions in the current article. Historians who immerse themselves in a culture risk losing sight of the overall picture of basic technology. I simply corrected the current article to reflect a reasonable interpretation of the theory, not a POV attempt to distort the hypothesis. Peterlewis ( talk) 18:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd like to propose that either we start a new section on this topic and move the second and third paragraphs of the Interpretations section to it, or we consider this as an extension to the Synthesized Plot Synopsis section and move those same two paragraphs to the end of that section. Opinions? Canon ( talk) 18:59, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
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You know Merino was name of a tribe of Berbers, living in Northern Africa, Sahara, part also of Tuareg, who entered the Iberian Peninsula through the Gibraltar strait along with Arabs, bringing with them their fine wool sheep, wearing their name. For professor Villena, microbiologist at 12 de Octubre Hospital, Madrid, Spain: 'Egyptians, Berbers, Guanches and Baskes', all shared ethnicity (a common trait in all of them being a higher presence of negative Rh factor), language, culture, old religion. It can be proposed that Ancient Greeks may have had, as an extreme sport, going to the land of Berbers, near the Hercules Columns, cutting a fleece from their sheep and returning to homeland. There was a 20th century report of an adult Cyclope living in one of the Canary Islands; besides multimalformed fetuses having an elephant like trunk, a single eye, congenital severe heart disease, who die soon after delivery, the Cyclopean Anomaly is described in sheep having eaten some plants that contain what was later identified as an Edgehog pathway inhibitor, this leading to discovery of 'Vismodegib', a successful drug in fighting cancer. In studying legends, a good approach may be considering it as true events, but arriving to us deformed and adorned by passing along many copyists and story tellers. Denial is a psychopathic personality trait, even if hidden as 'hyper-rationality', or 'materialism'. Paranoid personalities have their pleasure in applying punishments to those offending 'the official and only truth', and get some cents from this. Beware of Dog! DáDá Siegt! Agur. Salut + — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hijuecutivo ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
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"The story is of great antiquity and was current in the time of Homer", source? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.126.4.241 ( talk) 04:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)