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I'm capturing todays show direct from a DTT stick so will be able to extract good quality pictures of some of the balls if required. -- PrinceGaz 16:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Now that I've checked it, I've noticed that the table of ball values has numerous errors (values missing which have been seen, and incorrect duplicates / missing duplicates). I've decided to trash it as fixing all the errors would take ages, and it is a pain to update correctly each day. At the end of the series, it can be brought back (hopefully correctly this time) using the final list of values. PrinceGaz 16:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I just can't believe it. This is endlessly funny to me....I needed this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon125red ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm if Golden Balls has now ended. I don't think anymore episodes are being made. There are currently re runs on Challenge TV (Sky etc.) So it may be an idea to ad here the shows end date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.12.33 ( talk) 21:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to undo my edit, but I'm going to point out the critical difference with the prisoners dilemma. The reason that the prisoner's dilemma has nash equilibrium at both parties defecting is that regardless of what the other party chooses to do, you are always better off by defecting. In this game, you only do better by stealing if the other person chooses to split, otherwise you should be indifferent between split or steal. In practice of course, people are not rational and would rather see their opponent get nothing than 'win', despite the fact that it makes no difference to them financially.
OlekG 17:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Nevertheless, it struck me during my holiday (before dinner we watched Golden Balls between baths) that there is no reason to pick Split. If you think your opponent is going to pick Steal, there's no reason to pick either ball. If you think your opponent is going to pick Split, pick Steal. Then I got home and find that this was the basis of a complex gaming theory...
There would be a reason to pick steal if you though your opponent was going to steal - it stops them from getting the money. 86.146.73.174 ( talk) 17:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The Split/Steal decision is the prisoner's dilemma. The dilemma in the prisoner's dilemma is that the best overall outcome comes about when both players cooperate (split) but the logical outcome is for each player to steal as their individual payoff is higher irrespective of what the other player has chosen. The moral/immoral argument has no real bearing on the choice unless a player attaches a personal additional payoff to the terms "split" and "steal". With the parts of the game that are visible (i.e. cash payoffs), however, the game is completely the prisoner's dilemma. Wtlau ( talk) 20:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Unlike the prisoners dilemma though the prize is a shareable benefit. Wouldn't the best play be to unequivocally state you ARE going to steal but would share the money with them. So the ONLY way the other contestant could get anything would be by letting you do so. Are contestants prevented from doing this? ( 86.148.78.180 ( talk) 14:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC))
94.195.227.18 ( talk) 14:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC) Yeah I didn't read all of this but I agree. The odds are 50:50 for either winning 100% : 0% or 50% : 0% . So if you steal, the outcome is better! 94.195.227.18 ( talk) 14:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I've added details about the viewer competition and the scheduling removals which the football has caused. Digifiend ( talk) 14:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
The following is based on various premises:
Both contestants split;
No balls are duplicated.
The highest achievable score would also follow the premise of all the highest scoring balls being pulled out of the Golden Bank at the start and ultimately taken through to Bin Or Win, then all ending up in the "Five Golden Slots" and no Killers.
£339,000 is available on that premise - £169,500 each is the most both contestants could expect, if they both chose the Split ball.
As for the lowest score, this would be based on having at least four Killers left in Bin Or Win - the first ball would be a measly £10, the first Killer would knock it down to £1, the second 1p - as no denominations exist below 1p, it would stay at 1p for the third and fourth Killer - both contestants (assuming a split) would effectively result in them taking home 1p each. If there were fractions of a penny, they would take home 1/1,000 of a penny each - but it would be 1p. Mind you, they'd have to be VERY unlucky! Arthurvasey ( talk) 10:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I was assuming taking an actual amount of money home - no zeros, stealing or negative quantities. Arthurvasey ( talk) 10:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me, or are they playing repeats at the moment? Why, when they have filmed episodes that haven't yet aired? I know because I was in the audience for them. Nzseries1 ( talk) 13:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
They are currently showing a repeat run of episodes again, and they're being counted here as if they're new episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.248.74 ( talk) 00:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose the motion that this section "Viewer's competition" should be removed as almost every show has competitions during ad breaks and serves no purpose in the article. The competitions are long closed now so why keep them. It is completely futile in this article and this is an encyclopedia not a money winning site. Thank You -- JohnGormleyJG ( ✉) 17:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
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I'm capturing todays show direct from a DTT stick so will be able to extract good quality pictures of some of the balls if required. -- PrinceGaz 16:31, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
Now that I've checked it, I've noticed that the table of ball values has numerous errors (values missing which have been seen, and incorrect duplicates / missing duplicates). I've decided to trash it as fixing all the errors would take ages, and it is a pain to update correctly each day. At the end of the series, it can be brought back (hopefully correctly this time) using the final list of values. PrinceGaz 16:30, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
I just can't believe it. This is endlessly funny to me....I needed this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jon125red ( talk • contribs) 21:13, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
Can anyone confirm if Golden Balls has now ended. I don't think anymore episodes are being made. There are currently re runs on Challenge TV (Sky etc.) So it may be an idea to ad here the shows end date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.12.12.33 ( talk) 21:00, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
Feel free to undo my edit, but I'm going to point out the critical difference with the prisoners dilemma. The reason that the prisoner's dilemma has nash equilibrium at both parties defecting is that regardless of what the other party chooses to do, you are always better off by defecting. In this game, you only do better by stealing if the other person chooses to split, otherwise you should be indifferent between split or steal. In practice of course, people are not rational and would rather see their opponent get nothing than 'win', despite the fact that it makes no difference to them financially.
OlekG 17:04, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
Nevertheless, it struck me during my holiday (before dinner we watched Golden Balls between baths) that there is no reason to pick Split. If you think your opponent is going to pick Steal, there's no reason to pick either ball. If you think your opponent is going to pick Split, pick Steal. Then I got home and find that this was the basis of a complex gaming theory...
There would be a reason to pick steal if you though your opponent was going to steal - it stops them from getting the money. 86.146.73.174 ( talk) 17:33, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
The Split/Steal decision is the prisoner's dilemma. The dilemma in the prisoner's dilemma is that the best overall outcome comes about when both players cooperate (split) but the logical outcome is for each player to steal as their individual payoff is higher irrespective of what the other player has chosen. The moral/immoral argument has no real bearing on the choice unless a player attaches a personal additional payoff to the terms "split" and "steal". With the parts of the game that are visible (i.e. cash payoffs), however, the game is completely the prisoner's dilemma. Wtlau ( talk) 20:31, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Unlike the prisoners dilemma though the prize is a shareable benefit. Wouldn't the best play be to unequivocally state you ARE going to steal but would share the money with them. So the ONLY way the other contestant could get anything would be by letting you do so. Are contestants prevented from doing this? ( 86.148.78.180 ( talk) 14:42, 27 April 2009 (UTC))
94.195.227.18 ( talk) 14:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC) Yeah I didn't read all of this but I agree. The odds are 50:50 for either winning 100% : 0% or 50% : 0% . So if you steal, the outcome is better! 94.195.227.18 ( talk) 14:50, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
I've added details about the viewer competition and the scheduling removals which the football has caused. Digifiend ( talk) 14:08, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
The following is based on various premises:
Both contestants split;
No balls are duplicated.
The highest achievable score would also follow the premise of all the highest scoring balls being pulled out of the Golden Bank at the start and ultimately taken through to Bin Or Win, then all ending up in the "Five Golden Slots" and no Killers.
£339,000 is available on that premise - £169,500 each is the most both contestants could expect, if they both chose the Split ball.
As for the lowest score, this would be based on having at least four Killers left in Bin Or Win - the first ball would be a measly £10, the first Killer would knock it down to £1, the second 1p - as no denominations exist below 1p, it would stay at 1p for the third and fourth Killer - both contestants (assuming a split) would effectively result in them taking home 1p each. If there were fractions of a penny, they would take home 1/1,000 of a penny each - but it would be 1p. Mind you, they'd have to be VERY unlucky! Arthurvasey ( talk) 10:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
I was assuming taking an actual amount of money home - no zeros, stealing or negative quantities. Arthurvasey ( talk) 10:02, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
Is it just me, or are they playing repeats at the moment? Why, when they have filmed episodes that haven't yet aired? I know because I was in the audience for them. Nzseries1 ( talk) 13:44, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
They are currently showing a repeat run of episodes again, and they're being counted here as if they're new episodes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.136.248.74 ( talk) 00:13, 4 September 2009 (UTC)
I would like to propose the motion that this section "Viewer's competition" should be removed as almost every show has competitions during ad breaks and serves no purpose in the article. The competitions are long closed now so why keep them. It is completely futile in this article and this is an encyclopedia not a money winning site. Thank You -- JohnGormleyJG ( ✉) 17:15, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
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