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Why's the neutrality of this article being disputed? -- Schnee 12:48 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I wonder that, too. The dispute was flagged by Eszett, but it's not at all obvious to me why. The flag doesn't seem to add any value to the page. Andrewa 10:28 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hmmmm... I see the new section heading and note I added have both been deleted mere minutes later, and the cultural stuff I had started to put up is now in "history". Interesting approach, and well written. But the material I want to add is about cultural aspects of Gold now, rather than its history. I'll leave this project a while and think about it. Or would someone else like to have a go? Andrewa 23:53, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
It will be interesting if somebody can provide information about the most typical alloys used in jewelry Cuye
10 karat is frequently used for rings and other items of jewelry that will recieve wear.
The high price of gold was $850 per ounce which occurred in 1980, not $620, correct?
Correct. Gold Peaked at $850 per ounce in 1980, but the average price in 1980 was $620. Please amend the article accordingly, if needed. Although 22:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Any predictions as to what the price of gold may rise to in the next 1-2 years? I've heard it can go as high as $1,000? I was thinking closer to $800, but look at this link: [article http://applesofgold.com/jewelryinfo/risinggoldprices.html]. Although not a completely objective source, this is the not the first place I have seen this mentioned. Any thoughts?
The right hand bar is missing the perodic table listing at the top like the other elements (i.e. radium). ShaunMacPherson
Surely other uses must have been permitted too - it has significant industrial uses, and was certainly used in computer circuitry during this period. Does anyone have a reference to what exactly was prohibited? Securiger 01:43, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
"However, gold becomes particularly desirable in times of extremely weak confidence and during hyperinflation because gold maintains its value even as fiat money becomes worthless."
NPOV? You have to be extremely carefull, because many gold investors constantly make statements and doom and gloom websites purporting to show the stable value of gold throughout economic crisis.
"... caused by the fact that the plasmon frequency of this element lies in the visible range, which causes red and yellow light to be reflected and blue light to be absorbed."
Unless my physics is mistaken, shouldn't it reflect red and _green_ light?
I wonder, why is gold considered to be valuable? I know it looks great but is that why? I am not asking because I don't think it should be considered as such, I'm just curioous. Jaberwocky6669 21:00, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Which industry does the london benchmark provide for, financial? gold?, maybe it should say something like .......benchmark figure to the ?finacial? and ?gold? industry and ?general public?. Tridy 15:47, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
As I explained in Making Stargate a Reality in the Stargate Technical forum of Ascifi.com (Ignore that temperature; it's a calcuotypo!), gold's ductibility and malleability are exceeded by at least three other metals, at STP even. If you look around the periodic table, you should see that for yourself without going into my essay.
Then it should read "It is one of the most malleable and ductile metals known." Tridy 03:10, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Where did you get the gold alloy information? I'm especially interested in that AuAl combo. lysdexia 08:37, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
http://www.ajm-magazine.com/features/0704/purple.php Tridy 03:10, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Can you say how it works? for example doesn't it have some diamond atoms mixed?
there's no such things as diamond atoms! Diamond is tetrahedral (3-D) carbon!! Also, it wasn't mentioned that gold based comounds have been used for cancer treatment as well. - Frances 10/6/05
Assuming gold could be described as having a gold colour, this is probably a bad choice of words to explain how caesium is easily-identifiable, so I changed it to 'pale golden color'. http://www.cs.rochester.edu/users/faculty/nelson/cesium/cesium_color.html Moogsi 20:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
That section is very interesting, but it says more about socialism than it does about gold. Maybe it should be moved to the socialism article?
Removed it - doesn't seem to be needed here.
Do with it as you wish. Vsmith 00:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I'll create a seperate article about it Socialism and Gold, under the categories Gold, Socialism, and Communism, and see what happens to it...! Bronks 27 October 2005.
I have read than Gold leaf can be used in food, and the article on E-numbers appears to show that it is a registered additive, along with Aluminium and Silver. Is this actual gold metal and if so should a mention go in the article? Smurrayinchester 18:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
How do you produce gold from a mercury vapor lamp? It's mentioned in the article, but I can't find any other info.
Removed the recently added subsection Gold's value versus money supply as it was a copy of the section in Gold as an investment and seemed rather much here. Seems that more of the value section could be cut also as well as the Socialism and gold section. Political rambling and money systems don't need much space here - the article is long enough already. Vsmith 22:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
There should be a psychology and neurobiology of gold paragraph. Does science understand how and why the brain decided gold is desirable? Is there a particular section of the human brain which can be removed, yet the guy will live but loose interest in gold and misc. shiny things like diamonds? Are animals addicted to gold (except the well known magpie)? What the about great apes?
I don't want to edit this subject since I haven't been involved in its development. There appear to be a number of links from this subject to external sites of a purely commercial nature. Should those be removed?
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I am really confused about alloys and the carat system. I don't know if this should be clarified in the article, but maybe someone could tell me. If gold is always mixed with an alloy then is 24 carat gold really pure gold? Is is mixed with an alloy too? hdstubbs
The Symbolism section contained some fascinating information, but it also contained a few minor typos and grammatical errors. I have rewritten the section to fix these errors. I have preserved the facts as much as possible. -- Caroline Sanford 09:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure chlorine only causes the alloy metals to corrode (like copper) but not gold itself:
http://www.daviesjewelry.com/Jewelry_tip.asp http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem03/chem03091.htm
No, gold can be attacked by chlorine in various forms, as long as there are free chlorine ions available. This includes household bleach solutions, chlorinated swimming pools and hot tubs, even free chlorine released from domestic water supplies during showering. In general, gold is attacked by all the halogens to one degree or another. Iodine in KI solution, for example, will etch gold rapidly, and is used for that purpose in IC manufacturing. Pure gold is attacked only slowly by diluted chlorine-containing solutions. Alloys are more rapidly etched, but it is gold as well as alloying metals that is being dissolved.
"A San Francisco goldsmith"
This was just added to the article:
This is a novel claim and needs to be cited. Anyone have a verifiable source for it? -- FOo 22:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
"In the software development cycle "going gold" means releasing a version that is ready for distribution to customers, rather than a buggy beta version."
Nobody in software development says this. Pretty sure it's not even management jargon. 64.74.207.50 04:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The Greek myth of King Midas and how he had the "curse" of turning everything he touched to gold, may want to be included. That and perhaps the popular pre-renisance belief that you could turn lead into gold by adding some other element, or the process/beliefu of alchemy. Or if they are too unrelated then their articles should at least be linked to. -- User:Thrawst
Regarding the merge request of gold bar into here, okay, it's a gold product and quite notable as far as that goes. Its existence and manufacture should be mentioned, in one or two sentences. Better here than having a stub article. But before this goes into too much detail, keep in mind there also are tin bars, rubidium ingots, yttrium ingots, etc.
Other things are equally important that aren't even mentioned. Little about gold leaf when there's a whole historical art craft based on it. Or the drawing of gold wire that is so important in electronics—about 100 tonnes of bond wire each year [5].pdf deserve more than a "performs critical functions" in the article. I'd rather see the image of Tutankhamun's funerary mask than of gold bars and Krugerrands.
On the other hand, three links to gold as an investment. I'm also not interested in a whole US-centric section on their money supply. Or in speculations on the politics of Malaysia. It's utterly irrelevant to a general article to include a listing of investment stock exchanges. This article seriously has to be rebalanced, away from the money thing. Femto 18:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
In the gold article, any reference to it as an investment should be kept brief, and merely refer the user to the article gold as an investment. As for the article on gold bar, I really think it should be kept and expanded. I would like to see much more information on all the gold bars which exist, weights, sizes, countries of use, manufacture, and the uses to which bars may be put, - Central Bank gold, investment gold, trading gold, manufacturing gold, jewellery gold, momento gold etc. Watercolour 15:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
This user seems to be making useless edits. Thanks Edgar181, after I made two corrections, I was about to go back and revert it back a few, but got caught up trying to revert 217.33.74.20's Sodium edit...then looks like you beat me to it. Thanks. therearenospoons 12:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
(165.29.94.254 21:14, 16 February 2006 UTC)
Is it really necessary to have all the various local names for gold in the History section? I do believe it to be redundant (via interwiki links) and that it doesn't add anything to the article. dewet| ™ 17:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
can you buy gold across the counter in Britian? i have heard that obtaining physical gold is relatively easy in european countries like germany and switzerland but i thought that it was illegal on mainland britain and to get solid gold from a bank you had to go to the channel islands or the isle of man. Mybe i am just nuts anyway a clear answer would be appreciated
I know in Canada you can buy gold in coin stores, but it is much above market value(because they are coins). Not sure about buying at market prices. HighInBC 15:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The article states that gold is the basis of the International Monetary Fund's monetary standard. I think this is not true. At one point, the Bretton Woods agreement fixed the price of gold in dollars as a monetary policy. Now however, this gold standard has been replaced by Special Drawing Rights which are based on a basket of currencies (which basket is reviewed on a regular schedule to ensure that it represents the relative importance of world currencies).
At the same time, the IMF /does/ own a fairly large store of gold.
Would somebody please remove the part that says 'Gold is a noble metal' because its not--Gold /will/ interact with other elements. -- 71.145.151.179 00:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, take for example Xenon the noble gas. While it is termed as such and is still considered to be a noble gas, it has been made to react with fluorine, forming the solid compound XeF4, that is Xenon tetra fluoride(8th ed General Chemisty, Chang Raymond). Nobility of gas or metal does not require absolute unreactivity as mentioned earlier in this section. -- Morgan 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know if gold can't tarnish, or is "tarnish resistant" like platinum? Can't find anything in the article -- Fxer 22:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
This is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
Archive 1 | Archive 2 | Archive 3 | → | Archive 5 |
Archive for Talk:Gold prior to July 2006.
Why's the neutrality of this article being disputed? -- Schnee 12:48 24 Jun 2003 (UTC)
I wonder that, too. The dispute was flagged by Eszett, but it's not at all obvious to me why. The flag doesn't seem to add any value to the page. Andrewa 10:28 3 Jul 2003 (UTC)
Hmmmm... I see the new section heading and note I added have both been deleted mere minutes later, and the cultural stuff I had started to put up is now in "history". Interesting approach, and well written. But the material I want to add is about cultural aspects of Gold now, rather than its history. I'll leave this project a while and think about it. Or would someone else like to have a go? Andrewa 23:53, 30 Aug 2003 (UTC)
It will be interesting if somebody can provide information about the most typical alloys used in jewelry Cuye
10 karat is frequently used for rings and other items of jewelry that will recieve wear.
The high price of gold was $850 per ounce which occurred in 1980, not $620, correct?
Correct. Gold Peaked at $850 per ounce in 1980, but the average price in 1980 was $620. Please amend the article accordingly, if needed. Although 22:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
Any predictions as to what the price of gold may rise to in the next 1-2 years? I've heard it can go as high as $1,000? I was thinking closer to $800, but look at this link: [article http://applesofgold.com/jewelryinfo/risinggoldprices.html]. Although not a completely objective source, this is the not the first place I have seen this mentioned. Any thoughts?
The right hand bar is missing the perodic table listing at the top like the other elements (i.e. radium). ShaunMacPherson
Surely other uses must have been permitted too - it has significant industrial uses, and was certainly used in computer circuitry during this period. Does anyone have a reference to what exactly was prohibited? Securiger 01:43, 26 May 2004 (UTC)
"However, gold becomes particularly desirable in times of extremely weak confidence and during hyperinflation because gold maintains its value even as fiat money becomes worthless."
NPOV? You have to be extremely carefull, because many gold investors constantly make statements and doom and gloom websites purporting to show the stable value of gold throughout economic crisis.
"... caused by the fact that the plasmon frequency of this element lies in the visible range, which causes red and yellow light to be reflected and blue light to be absorbed."
Unless my physics is mistaken, shouldn't it reflect red and _green_ light?
I wonder, why is gold considered to be valuable? I know it looks great but is that why? I am not asking because I don't think it should be considered as such, I'm just curioous. Jaberwocky6669 21:00, Aug 4, 2004 (UTC)
Which industry does the london benchmark provide for, financial? gold?, maybe it should say something like .......benchmark figure to the ?finacial? and ?gold? industry and ?general public?. Tridy 15:47, 10 Oct 2004 (UTC)
As I explained in Making Stargate a Reality in the Stargate Technical forum of Ascifi.com (Ignore that temperature; it's a calcuotypo!), gold's ductibility and malleability are exceeded by at least three other metals, at STP even. If you look around the periodic table, you should see that for yourself without going into my essay.
Then it should read "It is one of the most malleable and ductile metals known." Tridy 03:10, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Where did you get the gold alloy information? I'm especially interested in that AuAl combo. lysdexia 08:37, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)
http://www.ajm-magazine.com/features/0704/purple.php Tridy 03:10, 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Can you say how it works? for example doesn't it have some diamond atoms mixed?
there's no such things as diamond atoms! Diamond is tetrahedral (3-D) carbon!! Also, it wasn't mentioned that gold based comounds have been used for cancer treatment as well. - Frances 10/6/05
Assuming gold could be described as having a gold colour, this is probably a bad choice of words to explain how caesium is easily-identifiable, so I changed it to 'pale golden color'. http://www.cs.rochester.edu/users/faculty/nelson/cesium/cesium_color.html Moogsi 20:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)
That section is very interesting, but it says more about socialism than it does about gold. Maybe it should be moved to the socialism article?
Removed it - doesn't seem to be needed here.
Do with it as you wish. Vsmith 00:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I'll create a seperate article about it Socialism and Gold, under the categories Gold, Socialism, and Communism, and see what happens to it...! Bronks 27 October 2005.
I have read than Gold leaf can be used in food, and the article on E-numbers appears to show that it is a registered additive, along with Aluminium and Silver. Is this actual gold metal and if so should a mention go in the article? Smurrayinchester 18:44, 22 September 2005 (UTC)
How do you produce gold from a mercury vapor lamp? It's mentioned in the article, but I can't find any other info.
Removed the recently added subsection Gold's value versus money supply as it was a copy of the section in Gold as an investment and seemed rather much here. Seems that more of the value section could be cut also as well as the Socialism and gold section. Political rambling and money systems don't need much space here - the article is long enough already. Vsmith 22:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
There should be a psychology and neurobiology of gold paragraph. Does science understand how and why the brain decided gold is desirable? Is there a particular section of the human brain which can be removed, yet the guy will live but loose interest in gold and misc. shiny things like diamonds? Are animals addicted to gold (except the well known magpie)? What the about great apes?
I don't want to edit this subject since I haven't been involved in its development. There appear to be a number of links from this subject to external sites of a purely commercial nature. Should those be removed?
I don't know if anyone else feels this way, but I am really confused about alloys and the carat system. I don't know if this should be clarified in the article, but maybe someone could tell me. If gold is always mixed with an alloy then is 24 carat gold really pure gold? Is is mixed with an alloy too? hdstubbs
The Symbolism section contained some fascinating information, but it also contained a few minor typos and grammatical errors. I have rewritten the section to fix these errors. I have preserved the facts as much as possible. -- Caroline Sanford 09:25, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure chlorine only causes the alloy metals to corrode (like copper) but not gold itself:
http://www.daviesjewelry.com/Jewelry_tip.asp http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/chem03/chem03091.htm
No, gold can be attacked by chlorine in various forms, as long as there are free chlorine ions available. This includes household bleach solutions, chlorinated swimming pools and hot tubs, even free chlorine released from domestic water supplies during showering. In general, gold is attacked by all the halogens to one degree or another. Iodine in KI solution, for example, will etch gold rapidly, and is used for that purpose in IC manufacturing. Pure gold is attacked only slowly by diluted chlorine-containing solutions. Alloys are more rapidly etched, but it is gold as well as alloying metals that is being dissolved.
"A San Francisco goldsmith"
This was just added to the article:
This is a novel claim and needs to be cited. Anyone have a verifiable source for it? -- FOo 22:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
"In the software development cycle "going gold" means releasing a version that is ready for distribution to customers, rather than a buggy beta version."
Nobody in software development says this. Pretty sure it's not even management jargon. 64.74.207.50 04:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
The Greek myth of King Midas and how he had the "curse" of turning everything he touched to gold, may want to be included. That and perhaps the popular pre-renisance belief that you could turn lead into gold by adding some other element, or the process/beliefu of alchemy. Or if they are too unrelated then their articles should at least be linked to. -- User:Thrawst
Regarding the merge request of gold bar into here, okay, it's a gold product and quite notable as far as that goes. Its existence and manufacture should be mentioned, in one or two sentences. Better here than having a stub article. But before this goes into too much detail, keep in mind there also are tin bars, rubidium ingots, yttrium ingots, etc.
Other things are equally important that aren't even mentioned. Little about gold leaf when there's a whole historical art craft based on it. Or the drawing of gold wire that is so important in electronics—about 100 tonnes of bond wire each year [5].pdf deserve more than a "performs critical functions" in the article. I'd rather see the image of Tutankhamun's funerary mask than of gold bars and Krugerrands.
On the other hand, three links to gold as an investment. I'm also not interested in a whole US-centric section on their money supply. Or in speculations on the politics of Malaysia. It's utterly irrelevant to a general article to include a listing of investment stock exchanges. This article seriously has to be rebalanced, away from the money thing. Femto 18:00, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
In the gold article, any reference to it as an investment should be kept brief, and merely refer the user to the article gold as an investment. As for the article on gold bar, I really think it should be kept and expanded. I would like to see much more information on all the gold bars which exist, weights, sizes, countries of use, manufacture, and the uses to which bars may be put, - Central Bank gold, investment gold, trading gold, manufacturing gold, jewellery gold, momento gold etc. Watercolour 15:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
This user seems to be making useless edits. Thanks Edgar181, after I made two corrections, I was about to go back and revert it back a few, but got caught up trying to revert 217.33.74.20's Sodium edit...then looks like you beat me to it. Thanks. therearenospoons 12:36, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
(165.29.94.254 21:14, 16 February 2006 UTC)
Is it really necessary to have all the various local names for gold in the History section? I do believe it to be redundant (via interwiki links) and that it doesn't add anything to the article. dewet| ™ 17:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
can you buy gold across the counter in Britian? i have heard that obtaining physical gold is relatively easy in european countries like germany and switzerland but i thought that it was illegal on mainland britain and to get solid gold from a bank you had to go to the channel islands or the isle of man. Mybe i am just nuts anyway a clear answer would be appreciated
I know in Canada you can buy gold in coin stores, but it is much above market value(because they are coins). Not sure about buying at market prices. HighInBC 15:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
The article states that gold is the basis of the International Monetary Fund's monetary standard. I think this is not true. At one point, the Bretton Woods agreement fixed the price of gold in dollars as a monetary policy. Now however, this gold standard has been replaced by Special Drawing Rights which are based on a basket of currencies (which basket is reviewed on a regular schedule to ensure that it represents the relative importance of world currencies).
At the same time, the IMF /does/ own a fairly large store of gold.
Would somebody please remove the part that says 'Gold is a noble metal' because its not--Gold /will/ interact with other elements. -- 71.145.151.179 00:50, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
Yes, take for example Xenon the noble gas. While it is termed as such and is still considered to be a noble gas, it has been made to react with fluorine, forming the solid compound XeF4, that is Xenon tetra fluoride(8th ed General Chemisty, Chang Raymond). Nobility of gas or metal does not require absolute unreactivity as mentioned earlier in this section. -- Morgan 05:04, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Anyone know if gold can't tarnish, or is "tarnish resistant" like platinum? Can't find anything in the article -- Fxer 22:51, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |