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Just curious, I've done a major cleanup of Goku's page and tried to cut down the bio section since it was basically a complete overview of each saga. What I'm wondering is if we really need the sections on super strength, super speed and Goku Vs Superman? What are peoples opinions?
Darkwarriorblake 13:55, 8 Jun 2006(UTC)
Darkwarriorblake 13:55, 8 Jun 2006(UTC)
Majinvegeta 12:09, 2 Sept 2006 (UTC)
There are articles for these sagas so perhaps they don't need to be potentially as long as they are since most of Gokus actions are repeated in their respective saga articles. Does anyone have any advice for shortening the sections in this article down on the sagas?
- I already did. I think it is wise to shorten the sagas to the important facts and mostly the stuff in the manga alone (original media version of Dragonball). Somebody had edited the Saiyans saga so it described the series literally event for event, I took out the most unimportant ones like (for example) King Kai telling Goku jokes. That is really something that doesn't need to be told, and a slightly detailed description of the sagas would be sufficient for a reviewer who doesn't want to read about Goku's failed attempts at catching Bubbles. Even a basic description of the events in the fights would be okay in my opinion.
Majinvegeta 5 Sept 12:45
Under the Dragonball picture, it says Goku was 12 at the start. I thought he was 5 because in DBZ, Bulma said she knew him since he was 5 and in Dragonball, they said that the World Martial Arts tournament was held every 7 years (but was going to be changed to every 3). Can someone elaborate on this?
I've added a table at the top of the page with character info: various names, level of canon, picture, and links to family members. I am hoping to create these tables on many of the Dragon Ball character pages, if no one has any objections, to try and build some design consistency within the Dragon Ball articles in the system. We already have largely consistent headers, but work remains on that still.
Any objections? I would suggest that we keep what is in the table down to a minimum: just the facts, maam. Once you start down the road of power levels, trained by, and favorite techniques I feel we've gone too far. Any comments? Does it render well on other browsers? JRP 03:25, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What's the basis for calling Goku one of the "most recognizeable anime characters"? I think something that POV needs a source, so removing it for now. Also, if his most recogniable form is the orange jumpsuit, why does the picture have a dark outfit? -- nae'blis (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I have a picture of him in his normal orange clothes you could use if it bothers you that much KojiDude 19:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
a lot of the content in the Super Saiyan section (including most/all of the images) is repeated on the page Super Saiyan. i know we probably need to mention that goku reached all of these forms and when, but i dont think we need to go into this much detail. Plough | talk to me 10:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I tried to clean that up a bit but i'm having a lot of problems with image formatting so if anyone wants to take a shot at it, the images are here.
Image:Goku204.jpg Image:Gokussj3deadhovering.jpg Image:Super_Saiyan_2.jpg Image:Ultra_Super_Saiyan_Differences.jpg Image:Gokuss.jpg
These aren't my images so feel free to change them if they aren't suitable.
darkwarriorblake | talk to me 10:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
If someone is moving at the speed of sound, then they are just a blur when they are covering short distances, close-up. If they're going even faster, it becomes almost impossible to see them, unless they are extremely large and at a great distance. If the characters of Dragon Ball could already move at the speed of light, then I highly doubt that Piccolo would have been impressed when Raditz dodged his Makankosappo/Special Beam Cannon, and the Namekian warrior proclaimed, "He can move faster than the speed of light!"
I highly doubt that any character in DBZ could move at the speed of light, without the assistance of some powerful technique, such as Shunkanidou/Instant Transmission, or Kai Kai/Instantaneous Movement. They most certainly were moving at multiples of the speed of sound, since if someone standing in front of you moved at mach 5 to a spot several feet away, it would appear as though they teleported. And if they were continuously moving at that speed, they would effectively be invisible to a normal person.
A Ki field of some kind would probably be required to keep one's clothes from burning off when using such high speeds inside an atmosphere, due to friction, but that's not a problem for the Z Senshi. Anyway, try not to take statements such as "He's faster than the speed of light" seriously, since simple physics, and the show itself, contradict such things.
Daishokaioshin 04:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
At the end of the section about his fight with piccolo it says about his marriage to chi-chi that it brings dragonball to an excellent conclusion this is just an opinion and not fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unit ( talk • contribs) .
In the abilities section you forgot to mention a few abilities, such as Super Kaio-Ken. The ability to use Kaio-Ken while in SSJ.Which he uses against Pikkon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KojiDude ( talk • contribs) .
Wiki-star 04:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
This article was nominated for Wikipedia:Good articles status but I've failed for a couple of reasons.
Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 20:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
There is an article on SUper Saiyans so going in-depth seems pointless, however to use it, the forms and transformations section would need to be re-organised into type rather than order of attainment.
Darkwarriorblake
00:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I've nominated the article for a GA rank again. I think its worthy now and adequate changes have been made. I haven't followed it in a while but I think I edited the intro well and it seems to be ok, we have a popular culture section now and the transformations have been described better. All links are checked and working as well.
Darkwarriorblake
00:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this change, how is that Saga is a proper noun? Is there an official site stating the name is for a determined number of episodes/chapters is named Freeza Saga? If not, it can be captialized per the guidelines. -- ReyBrujo 00:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I revised the part about Robot Chicken to indicate that Chibi Goku from DBGT is most likely what 'Gohan' was based on (by the hair and clothes), despite being named Gohan in the sketch. But it was a parody, so it's not meant to be an accurate representation of the characters anyway.-- GeneralDuke 23:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The makers of Robot Chicken don't have a solid education on who is who from Dragonball. To them, they all look the same. So it is understandable why they would make Gohan identical to Goku in that Episode. I'm sure it was an honest mistake on their part. Majinvegeta
This is just referring to the image from the 23rd world martial arts tournament. From March until 23:53 7 June 2006 this image was present and I thought it was a valuable addition. I have not checked on this goku page for some time and noticed that the image has been removed, so I added it once more and it was removed again by a different user at 15:57, 26 June 2006.
Could you please explain why this image is not befitting of such an article? -- ZXCVB 21:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd guess their reasoning is that the image doesn't really serve any purpose. If anything though, from where it was when I just looked in the history now, it was inside the Dragon Ball Z section.
Darkwarriorblake
21:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Diff? User who removed it? Remember that images must be relevant in the context, and that the article needs to reference the image, not the image to the article. -- ReyBrujo 21:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Well as a matter of a fact, it was a image supporting the final battle of dragon ball, adjacent to where it is described how piccolo uses a surprise attack on goku, and the image is of that very moment, so I think it is highly relevant. On my computer it looked to be in the dragon ball section certainly, however perhaps there is someone who could make sure it is inside the dragon ball section. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29&oldid=60634710 It could be argued that all images serve no real purpose, the image is from that very fight and is quite dramatic.-- ZXCVB 21:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't take it personally. The other images do serve a purpose in letting a reader see what Goku looks like at varying times, as a child, as an adult, in various Super Saiyan forms whilst him being shot through the shoulder does not. However I have nothing against you using that image, you might want to talk to whomever removed it originally. It does however look better in the link you posted than it did before.
Darkwarriorblake
21:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Do not concern yourself with it, I have not taken anything personally, do not worry, the link that I provided is how I left it, however someone may have altered with it at some point, the image provided a more involving experience for the context of the final dragon ball battle. The article would be somewhat bare if it only had random images of goku, without any images from the actual battles described in the articles themselves. I thought the image provided the viewers with a visual reference to the attack itself, to add to the full experience of the page. I find it rather disconcerting that the image would be removed without any reason given.
The first time it was removed was 23:56, 7 June 2006 by Darkwarriorblake, and the second was 15:57, 26 June 2006 by 3bulletproof16 -- ZXCVB 21:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Goku did DIE in the end of GT, otherwise he wouldn't tell Vegeta to shut up so that Pan wouldn't hear that he is dead. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense, why he would leave his family etc. just for one wish? The last episode all hints that Goku is dead. It should be included in the wikipedia entry. Of course, this is from the Japanese Version, don't know how the dub handled it.
When people die, they die. They don't stand around and talk. He didn't want to let Pan know that he was leaving. He didn't die. He fused with the Dragon Balls(Though I have no idea what the point of that was). Nemu 19:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, Piccolo is dead and still talks. You fail. He did die,otherwise there was no reason to leave.
The History section calls Raditz a younger AND an older brother. I'd fix it if I could remember which it was.
My bad, I looked over it again and it says 'younger brother TO Raditz.' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.210.123.98 ( talk • contribs) .
Why don't you reword it? I mad the same mistake and was gonna change it, until I realized that it WAS right, just confusing.
Can someone find a new picture for the top of the page. Goku only apeared in that outfit in one episode and the orange jumpsuit is a trademark part of his character. I think the image that apears at the top of the page should represent how he looks throughout the majority of the series. I'd do it myself, but I'm too unfamiliar with all the rules and copyright laws.
Man there has to be 10,000 better images out there than that. Gimme till I wake up and I'll find one from my collection. Darkwarriorblake 02:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Image:Goku4.jpg
KojiDude (
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02:52, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Image:Son Goku (Dragon Ball) photo2.jpg
I don't know how to replace the current one, for some reason when I try, it just creates a smaller version of the current image. Darkwarriorblake 03:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I reduced the quality for file size. It looks like you have to overwrite the current photo for it to appear in the table. The template is bound to the name of the article so it has to be called the same as the current image to appear in the table.
This article requires references to move it towards being a good article. Does anyone have any advice how we go about this for an anime/manga series? Say something like "goku fought Freeza and became a super saiyan[1]" with [1] linking to Dragon Ball Z
Something like that maybe? Opinions are welcome. Darkwarriorblake 02:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I was about to remove the following statement in this article: "As a kid again, Son Goku became immature, despite retaining his strength and memories of being an adult" until I remembered Son Goku was kinda immature in DBGT. The line sounds POV to me, but remove it if it is POV. Funnybunny ( talk/ Counter Vandalism Unit) 22:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah, one more thing. This article was placed on the following category that makes me raise my right eyebrow; Superman pastiches. That sounds like Goku is immitating Superman in some strange way that ridicules Superman. Actually, Goku, along with the entire Dragon Ball series was made in Japan, nearly 3,000 miles away from the United States. Goku is the work of a person who didn't plagiarize another person's work. If you ask me, this sounds like every single superhero in the world should be placed under that category. Funnybunny ( talk/ Counter Vandalism Unit) 22:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Funnybunny and KjiDude. If only two minor things make Goku a "Superman Pastiche," I think there'd be many more "Super"heroes in that category. I believe Son Goku should be voted off the Superman Pastiche Island. 65.10.187.240 00:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It does say "intentional similarities to the Man of Steel". I'm pretty sure both of them being sent off from their exploding planets and being found by old people is a tribute. I also recall seeing something about Toriyama being a Superman fan(though, it could be false). Nemu
Goku is not a superhero, he is a warrior. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Solid Fox ( talk • contribs) .
I read the good article criteria, and it says articles longer than 15kb that get GA should get FA too, so does that mean if this aticle passes for GA it'll be FA instead?-- KojiDude ( talk) 17:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a lot, repeat, a lot of work done before it reaches GA status.
Overall, this needs a lot of work, so good luck. - Dark Kubrick 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
But, this is just what I think. If the changes you listed are imperative for GA then I guess I can't really disapprove of them.-- Koji Dude 21:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
When was Goku ever refered to as "Zero"? Is that from when Harmony was doing the dub? Did the Zero name stand for the Z at the end of Dragonball Z? -- suit-n-tie 06:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
The name 'Zero' was used for the Dragon Ball dub. Considering the dub was in the late eighties, when Dragon Ball Z hadn't aired yet. 66.222.198.50 06:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Was that the old dubbed one from that Harmony, with the names similar to those in that Dragon Power game? -- suit-n-tie 06:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
How is it not referenced? All that information is taken from the anime, manga or daizenshuu.-- Koji Dude 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe that we should try to take more from the Manga and Daizenshuu, those are the most solidly accurate. The Anime is only partly accurate in terms of Super Saiyan auras (Toei completely messed up on some) and secondary Histories (e.g. In one episode, they said that the Dragonballs were once united in one Dragonball). Plotholes are constantly in the Anime, I think it would be wiser to use Manga Chapters and quotes. Another example: in the manga Goku's Super Saiyan powerlevel is placed at around 145,000,000 (Official Daizenshuu record) while the Anime only places it at 12,000,000. I believe that Daizenshuu and Manga should be our primary references if this article is to make GA.
Majinvegeta 12:29, 4 September 2006
Could we put that section under its own article and link it from here and vice versa? 74.225.76.172 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, what about forms and transformations? 74.225.76.172 21:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
In the uncanonical GT why the hell did Goku swallow the four star ball?-- suit-n-tie 04:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Should Gogeta be seperated from Vegetto since this fusion is uncanonical?-- Suit-n-ti e 19:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I notice that Goku is categorized in several "superhero" categorize. Does he even classify as a Super hero? Given he does have powers beyond that of a normal person, and uses his powers for good., There arent that many more similarites. For one things, He has not secret identity, does not fight crime or activly seek injustice to fight. For most of the time, he lives a normal life with his family. Not to mention that powers similar to Goku's can be attained by humans in their world. Can Humans in the DC Universe be taught heat vision? I don't think so. I just want to see others opinion on this matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Animedude360 ( talk • contribs) .
I think it would be wise to not use Anime or English Dub as a primary reference in this article. The original context of Goku's History is the Manga and the official Dragonball reference books are the Daizenshuus, but no one seems to be using them for reference, and I believe it would be wise if we try to use the Japanese Terms while stating such things in the Article (e.g Tenkaichi Budokai- People have resorted to using "World Martial Arts Tournament" and Hyperbolic Time Chamber for the Room of Spirit and Time). Just a thought, or else I don't believe that this article will ever get a good review. :(
To shorten the article a bit, we could seperate the History section from this article, but leave "Behind the childhood" and "Behind the hero" sections on this article. The history section can have its own article, and link that article from this article, just like the case of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. The history article can be named "History of Son Goku" or some sort. Also, the sections named "Dragon Ball," "Dragon Ball Z," and "Dragon Ball GT" should belong under the "History" section, so those sections should be split and merged into the new "History of Son Goku" article. SGFF 00:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Attention Dragon Ball experts; Son Goten, an article that is closely related to this article is being Peer Reviewed. Please help out with the peer review by giving your opinions, statements, and most importantly; voice at the review. The peer review's page can be found here. SGFF 01:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Somebody keeps changing the first Son Gohan to Grandpa Gohan in the "Behind the Childhood" section. Son Gohan (Original) wasn't known as Grandpa Gohan until after Goku's accident. I suggest we keep the Son Gohan statement because of the fact that his real name, and the name that he is known by to the rest of the world is not "Grandpa" Gohan, that is the exclusive name that Goku uses. MajinVegeta
I don't believe that Gogeta and SS4 Gogeta should be considered different fusions. They are the same person, just powered up. We don't consider Gotenks and SS3 Gotenks different Fusions, so why should we with Gogeta? I believe that we should maybe put Fat Gogeta as a different Fusion, because his official name was Veku, not Gogeta and even his attacks were different from Gogeta. Majinvegeta
Just recently, the redirect page ( Goku) was redirected to Son Goku, which is a collaboration of other characters named Son Goku. I think it would be most suitable if Goku was redirected to Son Goku (Dragon Ball) instead of Son Goku because most of the articles that link to the Goku redirect page is intended for Son Goku (Dragon Ball) only, not several other characters named Son Goku. Just look at what links to Goku - most (if not all) pages that link to Goku is intended for the Dragon Ball Goku only. S GF F(If you're stressed, then count to ten and have a cup of coffee with Esperanza.) 01:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Goku used the Kaioken x 4 to push Vegeta's Galic Gun Back. The Galic Gun, like the Kamehameha, increases the users power when performed. Goku and Vegeta were equal when Goku heightened his power to KaioKen 3. That is why he had to boost it to 4. Check the Manga (Volume 4) and even the Episode. It is Kaioken 4, Someone changed it to 3 for some reason.
In which episode & when did Goku fly for the first time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gharsh1991 ( talk • contribs) .
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Just curious, I've done a major cleanup of Goku's page and tried to cut down the bio section since it was basically a complete overview of each saga. What I'm wondering is if we really need the sections on super strength, super speed and Goku Vs Superman? What are peoples opinions?
Darkwarriorblake 13:55, 8 Jun 2006(UTC)
Darkwarriorblake 13:55, 8 Jun 2006(UTC)
Majinvegeta 12:09, 2 Sept 2006 (UTC)
There are articles for these sagas so perhaps they don't need to be potentially as long as they are since most of Gokus actions are repeated in their respective saga articles. Does anyone have any advice for shortening the sections in this article down on the sagas?
- I already did. I think it is wise to shorten the sagas to the important facts and mostly the stuff in the manga alone (original media version of Dragonball). Somebody had edited the Saiyans saga so it described the series literally event for event, I took out the most unimportant ones like (for example) King Kai telling Goku jokes. That is really something that doesn't need to be told, and a slightly detailed description of the sagas would be sufficient for a reviewer who doesn't want to read about Goku's failed attempts at catching Bubbles. Even a basic description of the events in the fights would be okay in my opinion.
Majinvegeta 5 Sept 12:45
Under the Dragonball picture, it says Goku was 12 at the start. I thought he was 5 because in DBZ, Bulma said she knew him since he was 5 and in Dragonball, they said that the World Martial Arts tournament was held every 7 years (but was going to be changed to every 3). Can someone elaborate on this?
I've added a table at the top of the page with character info: various names, level of canon, picture, and links to family members. I am hoping to create these tables on many of the Dragon Ball character pages, if no one has any objections, to try and build some design consistency within the Dragon Ball articles in the system. We already have largely consistent headers, but work remains on that still.
Any objections? I would suggest that we keep what is in the table down to a minimum: just the facts, maam. Once you start down the road of power levels, trained by, and favorite techniques I feel we've gone too far. Any comments? Does it render well on other browsers? JRP 03:25, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What's the basis for calling Goku one of the "most recognizeable anime characters"? I think something that POV needs a source, so removing it for now. Also, if his most recogniable form is the orange jumpsuit, why does the picture have a dark outfit? -- nae'blis (talk) 19:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
I have a picture of him in his normal orange clothes you could use if it bothers you that much KojiDude 19:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
a lot of the content in the Super Saiyan section (including most/all of the images) is repeated on the page Super Saiyan. i know we probably need to mention that goku reached all of these forms and when, but i dont think we need to go into this much detail. Plough | talk to me 10:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
I tried to clean that up a bit but i'm having a lot of problems with image formatting so if anyone wants to take a shot at it, the images are here.
Image:Goku204.jpg Image:Gokussj3deadhovering.jpg Image:Super_Saiyan_2.jpg Image:Ultra_Super_Saiyan_Differences.jpg Image:Gokuss.jpg
These aren't my images so feel free to change them if they aren't suitable.
darkwarriorblake | talk to me 10:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
If someone is moving at the speed of sound, then they are just a blur when they are covering short distances, close-up. If they're going even faster, it becomes almost impossible to see them, unless they are extremely large and at a great distance. If the characters of Dragon Ball could already move at the speed of light, then I highly doubt that Piccolo would have been impressed when Raditz dodged his Makankosappo/Special Beam Cannon, and the Namekian warrior proclaimed, "He can move faster than the speed of light!"
I highly doubt that any character in DBZ could move at the speed of light, without the assistance of some powerful technique, such as Shunkanidou/Instant Transmission, or Kai Kai/Instantaneous Movement. They most certainly were moving at multiples of the speed of sound, since if someone standing in front of you moved at mach 5 to a spot several feet away, it would appear as though they teleported. And if they were continuously moving at that speed, they would effectively be invisible to a normal person.
A Ki field of some kind would probably be required to keep one's clothes from burning off when using such high speeds inside an atmosphere, due to friction, but that's not a problem for the Z Senshi. Anyway, try not to take statements such as "He's faster than the speed of light" seriously, since simple physics, and the show itself, contradict such things.
Daishokaioshin 04:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
At the end of the section about his fight with piccolo it says about his marriage to chi-chi that it brings dragonball to an excellent conclusion this is just an opinion and not fact. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Unit ( talk • contribs) .
In the abilities section you forgot to mention a few abilities, such as Super Kaio-Ken. The ability to use Kaio-Ken while in SSJ.Which he uses against Pikkon. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by KojiDude ( talk • contribs) .
Wiki-star 04:41, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
This article was nominated for Wikipedia:Good articles status but I've failed for a couple of reasons.
Thanks Jaranda wat's sup 20:15, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
There is an article on SUper Saiyans so going in-depth seems pointless, however to use it, the forms and transformations section would need to be re-organised into type rather than order of attainment.
Darkwarriorblake
00:35, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
I've nominated the article for a GA rank again. I think its worthy now and adequate changes have been made. I haven't followed it in a while but I think I edited the intro well and it seems to be ok, we have a popular culture section now and the transformations have been described better. All links are checked and working as well.
Darkwarriorblake
00:33, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
Regarding this change, how is that Saga is a proper noun? Is there an official site stating the name is for a determined number of episodes/chapters is named Freeza Saga? If not, it can be captialized per the guidelines. -- ReyBrujo 00:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I revised the part about Robot Chicken to indicate that Chibi Goku from DBGT is most likely what 'Gohan' was based on (by the hair and clothes), despite being named Gohan in the sketch. But it was a parody, so it's not meant to be an accurate representation of the characters anyway.-- GeneralDuke 23:41, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
The makers of Robot Chicken don't have a solid education on who is who from Dragonball. To them, they all look the same. So it is understandable why they would make Gohan identical to Goku in that Episode. I'm sure it was an honest mistake on their part. Majinvegeta
This is just referring to the image from the 23rd world martial arts tournament. From March until 23:53 7 June 2006 this image was present and I thought it was a valuable addition. I have not checked on this goku page for some time and noticed that the image has been removed, so I added it once more and it was removed again by a different user at 15:57, 26 June 2006.
Could you please explain why this image is not befitting of such an article? -- ZXCVB 21:20, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
I'd guess their reasoning is that the image doesn't really serve any purpose. If anything though, from where it was when I just looked in the history now, it was inside the Dragon Ball Z section.
Darkwarriorblake
21:28, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Diff? User who removed it? Remember that images must be relevant in the context, and that the article needs to reference the image, not the image to the article. -- ReyBrujo 21:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Well as a matter of a fact, it was a image supporting the final battle of dragon ball, adjacent to where it is described how piccolo uses a surprise attack on goku, and the image is of that very moment, so I think it is highly relevant. On my computer it looked to be in the dragon ball section certainly, however perhaps there is someone who could make sure it is inside the dragon ball section. http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Son_Goku_%28Dragon_Ball%29&oldid=60634710 It could be argued that all images serve no real purpose, the image is from that very fight and is quite dramatic.-- ZXCVB 21:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Don't take it personally. The other images do serve a purpose in letting a reader see what Goku looks like at varying times, as a child, as an adult, in various Super Saiyan forms whilst him being shot through the shoulder does not. However I have nothing against you using that image, you might want to talk to whomever removed it originally. It does however look better in the link you posted than it did before.
Darkwarriorblake
21:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Do not concern yourself with it, I have not taken anything personally, do not worry, the link that I provided is how I left it, however someone may have altered with it at some point, the image provided a more involving experience for the context of the final dragon ball battle. The article would be somewhat bare if it only had random images of goku, without any images from the actual battles described in the articles themselves. I thought the image provided the viewers with a visual reference to the attack itself, to add to the full experience of the page. I find it rather disconcerting that the image would be removed without any reason given.
The first time it was removed was 23:56, 7 June 2006 by Darkwarriorblake, and the second was 15:57, 26 June 2006 by 3bulletproof16 -- ZXCVB 21:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
Goku did DIE in the end of GT, otherwise he wouldn't tell Vegeta to shut up so that Pan wouldn't hear that he is dead. Otherwise it doesn't make any sense, why he would leave his family etc. just for one wish? The last episode all hints that Goku is dead. It should be included in the wikipedia entry. Of course, this is from the Japanese Version, don't know how the dub handled it.
When people die, they die. They don't stand around and talk. He didn't want to let Pan know that he was leaving. He didn't die. He fused with the Dragon Balls(Though I have no idea what the point of that was). Nemu 19:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
Well, Piccolo is dead and still talks. You fail. He did die,otherwise there was no reason to leave.
The History section calls Raditz a younger AND an older brother. I'd fix it if I could remember which it was.
My bad, I looked over it again and it says 'younger brother TO Raditz.' —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 204.210.123.98 ( talk • contribs) .
Why don't you reword it? I mad the same mistake and was gonna change it, until I realized that it WAS right, just confusing.
Can someone find a new picture for the top of the page. Goku only apeared in that outfit in one episode and the orange jumpsuit is a trademark part of his character. I think the image that apears at the top of the page should represent how he looks throughout the majority of the series. I'd do it myself, but I'm too unfamiliar with all the rules and copyright laws.
Man there has to be 10,000 better images out there than that. Gimme till I wake up and I'll find one from my collection. Darkwarriorblake 02:46, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
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I don't know how to replace the current one, for some reason when I try, it just creates a smaller version of the current image. Darkwarriorblake 03:04, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
I reduced the quality for file size. It looks like you have to overwrite the current photo for it to appear in the table. The template is bound to the name of the article so it has to be called the same as the current image to appear in the table.
This article requires references to move it towards being a good article. Does anyone have any advice how we go about this for an anime/manga series? Say something like "goku fought Freeza and became a super saiyan[1]" with [1] linking to Dragon Ball Z
Something like that maybe? Opinions are welcome. Darkwarriorblake 02:32, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I was about to remove the following statement in this article: "As a kid again, Son Goku became immature, despite retaining his strength and memories of being an adult" until I remembered Son Goku was kinda immature in DBGT. The line sounds POV to me, but remove it if it is POV. Funnybunny ( talk/ Counter Vandalism Unit) 22:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
Oh yeah, one more thing. This article was placed on the following category that makes me raise my right eyebrow; Superman pastiches. That sounds like Goku is immitating Superman in some strange way that ridicules Superman. Actually, Goku, along with the entire Dragon Ball series was made in Japan, nearly 3,000 miles away from the United States. Goku is the work of a person who didn't plagiarize another person's work. If you ask me, this sounds like every single superhero in the world should be placed under that category. Funnybunny ( talk/ Counter Vandalism Unit) 22:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Funnybunny and KjiDude. If only two minor things make Goku a "Superman Pastiche," I think there'd be many more "Super"heroes in that category. I believe Son Goku should be voted off the Superman Pastiche Island. 65.10.187.240 00:43, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
It does say "intentional similarities to the Man of Steel". I'm pretty sure both of them being sent off from their exploding planets and being found by old people is a tribute. I also recall seeing something about Toriyama being a Superman fan(though, it could be false). Nemu
Goku is not a superhero, he is a warrior. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Solid Fox ( talk • contribs) .
I read the good article criteria, and it says articles longer than 15kb that get GA should get FA too, so does that mean if this aticle passes for GA it'll be FA instead?-- KojiDude ( talk) 17:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
This article needs a lot, repeat, a lot of work done before it reaches GA status.
Overall, this needs a lot of work, so good luck. - Dark Kubrick 21:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
But, this is just what I think. If the changes you listed are imperative for GA then I guess I can't really disapprove of them.-- Koji Dude 21:57, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
When was Goku ever refered to as "Zero"? Is that from when Harmony was doing the dub? Did the Zero name stand for the Z at the end of Dragonball Z? -- suit-n-tie 06:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
The name 'Zero' was used for the Dragon Ball dub. Considering the dub was in the late eighties, when Dragon Ball Z hadn't aired yet. 66.222.198.50 06:11, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
Was that the old dubbed one from that Harmony, with the names similar to those in that Dragon Power game? -- suit-n-tie 06:22, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
How is it not referenced? All that information is taken from the anime, manga or daizenshuu.-- Koji Dude 16:39, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe that we should try to take more from the Manga and Daizenshuu, those are the most solidly accurate. The Anime is only partly accurate in terms of Super Saiyan auras (Toei completely messed up on some) and secondary Histories (e.g. In one episode, they said that the Dragonballs were once united in one Dragonball). Plotholes are constantly in the Anime, I think it would be wiser to use Manga Chapters and quotes. Another example: in the manga Goku's Super Saiyan powerlevel is placed at around 145,000,000 (Official Daizenshuu record) while the Anime only places it at 12,000,000. I believe that Daizenshuu and Manga should be our primary references if this article is to make GA.
Majinvegeta 12:29, 4 September 2006
Could we put that section under its own article and link it from here and vice versa? 74.225.76.172 21:48, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
Also, what about forms and transformations? 74.225.76.172 21:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
In the uncanonical GT why the hell did Goku swallow the four star ball?-- suit-n-tie 04:40, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
Should Gogeta be seperated from Vegetto since this fusion is uncanonical?-- Suit-n-ti e 19:15, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
I notice that Goku is categorized in several "superhero" categorize. Does he even classify as a Super hero? Given he does have powers beyond that of a normal person, and uses his powers for good., There arent that many more similarites. For one things, He has not secret identity, does not fight crime or activly seek injustice to fight. For most of the time, he lives a normal life with his family. Not to mention that powers similar to Goku's can be attained by humans in their world. Can Humans in the DC Universe be taught heat vision? I don't think so. I just want to see others opinion on this matter. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Animedude360 ( talk • contribs) .
I think it would be wise to not use Anime or English Dub as a primary reference in this article. The original context of Goku's History is the Manga and the official Dragonball reference books are the Daizenshuus, but no one seems to be using them for reference, and I believe it would be wise if we try to use the Japanese Terms while stating such things in the Article (e.g Tenkaichi Budokai- People have resorted to using "World Martial Arts Tournament" and Hyperbolic Time Chamber for the Room of Spirit and Time). Just a thought, or else I don't believe that this article will ever get a good review. :(
To shorten the article a bit, we could seperate the History section from this article, but leave "Behind the childhood" and "Behind the hero" sections on this article. The history section can have its own article, and link that article from this article, just like the case of the 2005 Atlantic hurricane season. The history article can be named "History of Son Goku" or some sort. Also, the sections named "Dragon Ball," "Dragon Ball Z," and "Dragon Ball GT" should belong under the "History" section, so those sections should be split and merged into the new "History of Son Goku" article. SGFF 00:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Attention Dragon Ball experts; Son Goten, an article that is closely related to this article is being Peer Reviewed. Please help out with the peer review by giving your opinions, statements, and most importantly; voice at the review. The peer review's page can be found here. SGFF 01:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
Somebody keeps changing the first Son Gohan to Grandpa Gohan in the "Behind the Childhood" section. Son Gohan (Original) wasn't known as Grandpa Gohan until after Goku's accident. I suggest we keep the Son Gohan statement because of the fact that his real name, and the name that he is known by to the rest of the world is not "Grandpa" Gohan, that is the exclusive name that Goku uses. MajinVegeta
I don't believe that Gogeta and SS4 Gogeta should be considered different fusions. They are the same person, just powered up. We don't consider Gotenks and SS3 Gotenks different Fusions, so why should we with Gogeta? I believe that we should maybe put Fat Gogeta as a different Fusion, because his official name was Veku, not Gogeta and even his attacks were different from Gogeta. Majinvegeta
Just recently, the redirect page ( Goku) was redirected to Son Goku, which is a collaboration of other characters named Son Goku. I think it would be most suitable if Goku was redirected to Son Goku (Dragon Ball) instead of Son Goku because most of the articles that link to the Goku redirect page is intended for Son Goku (Dragon Ball) only, not several other characters named Son Goku. Just look at what links to Goku - most (if not all) pages that link to Goku is intended for the Dragon Ball Goku only. S GF F(If you're stressed, then count to ten and have a cup of coffee with Esperanza.) 01:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
Goku used the Kaioken x 4 to push Vegeta's Galic Gun Back. The Galic Gun, like the Kamehameha, increases the users power when performed. Goku and Vegeta were equal when Goku heightened his power to KaioKen 3. That is why he had to boost it to 4. Check the Manga (Volume 4) and even the Episode. It is Kaioken 4, Someone changed it to 3 for some reason.
In which episode & when did Goku fly for the first time? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gharsh1991 ( talk • contribs) .