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There is no legal status for godparents in the event of the parents dying —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.209.203 ( talk • contribs) 21 December 2003
An expert on the subject should be recruited. For more (unverifiable but useful for finding good sources) information, see http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10065 -- 68.161.148.47 ( talk) 03:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
hmmm... so there is no legal meaning to the term god sister...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.173.84 ( talk) 11:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The vast majority of modern courts may consider the parents' wishes in the care of their children if they die or are otherwise unable to care for them, but will not be bound by any will, trust or otherwise. In short, you can't "will" your kids to anyone. 68.101.143.168 ( talk) 08:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I just edited the part on Orthodox baptism which says that "Like Western-Roman Catholicism, some parts of the church, including the Archdiocese of North America, allow members of other churches to be witnesses at baptism, but they have no formal role, for example, at the child's wedding when they mature."
I felt that this could be misleading. All Orthodox Churches maintain that only Orthodox may sponsor or witness (in the sense of being a godparent). The reference was: 'On the Spiritual Life in the Church, Encyclical Letter, Holy Synod of the Orthodox Church in America, 1988. However, the only thing referring to witnessing and baptism is in a paragraph speaking of the importance of the sacraments and, in no way, talks of the idea of non-Orthodox Christians being witnesses/sponsors/godparents. Furthermore, this was the Orthodox Church in America, not the "Archdiocese of North America." There are several different Archdioceses of North America. The Orthodox Church in America's official stance, like other Orthodox Churches is that only Orthodox may be godparents. Reference: http://oca.org/PDF/official/clergyguidelines.pdf page 12
I sincerely apologize if this is the incorrect way to do things. I am not a normal editor on Wikipedia but I wanted to fix that issue.
As I have pointed out in my edit summaries there is a procedure for those wishing to change an established dating system at WP:era, which states:
Just reverting again is not within this procedure. Please follow this if you wish to argue for a change.-- SabreBD ( talk) 08:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi. To me it is obvious that godparents and similar kinship relations (I myself have what I could consider a godbrother) is also a secular tradition. It is unfortunate that this page doesn't reflect that - while it is of course tricky to document an informal secular tradition like that. I personally highly value secular traditions and deligitimizing them in comparison to religious traditions has for instance enabled someone to seed weird doubt in the Joi Ito page, regarding him being the godson of Tim Leary. "a close non-traditional family-like relationship, an idea said to have been conceived by Leary for a few of his friends" - I highly doubt Leary invented secular godparenthood. Not a big issue, but it would be so cool if we could move toward a fair representation of secular tradition in general and on this topic specifically. Thanks. -- CarlJohanSveningsson ( talk) 10:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
A secular tradition of god parents is much seen in movies & television, with the idea that in the case of the death of the parents, the god parent will take over parenting duties. Regardless of whether this tradition is incarnated in law, or is even largely mythical, it certainly has a strong cultural tradition. Pity that it is not explored in the article. The religious tradition may still be alive for many people, but the contemporary cultural tradition is certainly not exclusively religious in nature.
2A01:E35:2E06:77B0:7947:21DA:D9C6:230D ( talk) 17:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I will have to find some sources on this, because the page being solely related to Christianity is plain wrong, as concurred by several commenters above. Thanks, will see what I can do about it :-) CarlJohanSveningsson ( talk) 12:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
This article could mention that folks in Hollywood have - or, at the very least, Jake Gyllenhaal has - literal and celebrity godparents. Citing this The Daily Telegraph interview:
So let's get it on the record: is he saying he is open to persuasion? 'No, I am not open to persuasion myself, but the idea of homosexuality is acceptable to me. I grew up in a city where half the people I know are gay. Both of my godfathers are gay.'
Paul Newman is gay! He laughs again. 'No, he's my celebrity godfather.' What's a celebrity godfather? 'That's the godfather that the media give you. He's a close friend of my family. He taught me to drive. I have literal godfathers and celebrity godfathers.'
I see. And Jamie Lee Curtis, is she a celebrity godmother or a literal godmother? 'Both. That's why it is confusing growing up in Hollywood.'
-- 82.136.210.153 ( talk) 15:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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As of the current revision as of this writing, the captions on the top two images in the article do not go with the images. The images are, respectively, File:Stained glass window depicting Episcopal baptism.JPG with a caption talking about "As members of a Lutheran church...", and File:Baptism.JPG (which the image description says is a picture of a Roman Catholic priest) captioned "Detail from the "Baptism Window" at St. Mary's Episcopal Cathedral in Memphis, Tennessee, showing godparents from the mid-20th century." Obviously, the second caption was meant to go on the first image. I will move that caption and adjust the other caption. -sche ( talk) 02:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
What is the role of a godparent and why are they important? 2A02:C7F:50AE:9700:3009:234C:D9F3:B02C ( talk) 14:52, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
The Vatican recently stated that transgender Catholics can be godparents; the paragraph stating that they cannot is no longer accurate. See, e.g., NYT: Vatican Says Transgender People Can Be Baptized and Become Godparents 2601:19B:4B82:7C90:55A8:2582:559A:ACD2 ( talk) 06:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)
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There is no legal status for godparents in the event of the parents dying —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.137.209.203 ( talk • contribs) 21 December 2003
An expert on the subject should be recruited. For more (unverifiable but useful for finding good sources) information, see http://www.chinahistoryforum.com/index.php?showtopic=10065 -- 68.161.148.47 ( talk) 03:25, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
hmmm... so there is no legal meaning to the term god sister...? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.107.173.84 ( talk) 11:46, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
The vast majority of modern courts may consider the parents' wishes in the care of their children if they die or are otherwise unable to care for them, but will not be bound by any will, trust or otherwise. In short, you can't "will" your kids to anyone. 68.101.143.168 ( talk) 08:07, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
I just edited the part on Orthodox baptism which says that "Like Western-Roman Catholicism, some parts of the church, including the Archdiocese of North America, allow members of other churches to be witnesses at baptism, but they have no formal role, for example, at the child's wedding when they mature."
I felt that this could be misleading. All Orthodox Churches maintain that only Orthodox may sponsor or witness (in the sense of being a godparent). The reference was: 'On the Spiritual Life in the Church, Encyclical Letter, Holy Synod of the Orthodox Church in America, 1988. However, the only thing referring to witnessing and baptism is in a paragraph speaking of the importance of the sacraments and, in no way, talks of the idea of non-Orthodox Christians being witnesses/sponsors/godparents. Furthermore, this was the Orthodox Church in America, not the "Archdiocese of North America." There are several different Archdioceses of North America. The Orthodox Church in America's official stance, like other Orthodox Churches is that only Orthodox may be godparents. Reference: http://oca.org/PDF/official/clergyguidelines.pdf page 12
I sincerely apologize if this is the incorrect way to do things. I am not a normal editor on Wikipedia but I wanted to fix that issue.
As I have pointed out in my edit summaries there is a procedure for those wishing to change an established dating system at WP:era, which states:
Just reverting again is not within this procedure. Please follow this if you wish to argue for a change.-- SabreBD ( talk) 08:55, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi. To me it is obvious that godparents and similar kinship relations (I myself have what I could consider a godbrother) is also a secular tradition. It is unfortunate that this page doesn't reflect that - while it is of course tricky to document an informal secular tradition like that. I personally highly value secular traditions and deligitimizing them in comparison to religious traditions has for instance enabled someone to seed weird doubt in the Joi Ito page, regarding him being the godson of Tim Leary. "a close non-traditional family-like relationship, an idea said to have been conceived by Leary for a few of his friends" - I highly doubt Leary invented secular godparenthood. Not a big issue, but it would be so cool if we could move toward a fair representation of secular tradition in general and on this topic specifically. Thanks. -- CarlJohanSveningsson ( talk) 10:47, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
A secular tradition of god parents is much seen in movies & television, with the idea that in the case of the death of the parents, the god parent will take over parenting duties. Regardless of whether this tradition is incarnated in law, or is even largely mythical, it certainly has a strong cultural tradition. Pity that it is not explored in the article. The religious tradition may still be alive for many people, but the contemporary cultural tradition is certainly not exclusively religious in nature.
2A01:E35:2E06:77B0:7947:21DA:D9C6:230D ( talk) 17:16, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
I will have to find some sources on this, because the page being solely related to Christianity is plain wrong, as concurred by several commenters above. Thanks, will see what I can do about it :-) CarlJohanSveningsson ( talk) 12:23, 1 December 2014 (UTC)
This article could mention that folks in Hollywood have - or, at the very least, Jake Gyllenhaal has - literal and celebrity godparents. Citing this The Daily Telegraph interview:
So let's get it on the record: is he saying he is open to persuasion? 'No, I am not open to persuasion myself, but the idea of homosexuality is acceptable to me. I grew up in a city where half the people I know are gay. Both of my godfathers are gay.'
Paul Newman is gay! He laughs again. 'No, he's my celebrity godfather.' What's a celebrity godfather? 'That's the godfather that the media give you. He's a close friend of my family. He taught me to drive. I have literal godfathers and celebrity godfathers.'
I see. And Jamie Lee Curtis, is she a celebrity godmother or a literal godmother? 'Both. That's why it is confusing growing up in Hollywood.'
-- 82.136.210.153 ( talk) 15:44, 11 December 2014 (UTC)
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As of the current revision as of this writing, the captions on the top two images in the article do not go with the images. The images are, respectively, File:Stained glass window depicting Episcopal baptism.JPG with a caption talking about "As members of a Lutheran church...", and File:Baptism.JPG (which the image description says is a picture of a Roman Catholic priest) captioned "Detail from the "Baptism Window" at St. Mary's Episcopal Cathedral in Memphis, Tennessee, showing godparents from the mid-20th century." Obviously, the second caption was meant to go on the first image. I will move that caption and adjust the other caption. -sche ( talk) 02:20, 16 March 2020 (UTC)
What is the role of a godparent and why are they important? 2A02:C7F:50AE:9700:3009:234C:D9F3:B02C ( talk) 14:52, 2 January 2023 (UTC)
The Vatican recently stated that transgender Catholics can be godparents; the paragraph stating that they cannot is no longer accurate. See, e.g., NYT: Vatican Says Transgender People Can Be Baptized and Become Godparents 2601:19B:4B82:7C90:55A8:2582:559A:ACD2 ( talk) 06:57, 14 November 2023 (UTC)