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I have also heard the QF (quick firing) term refer to a gun where the breech stays open after run back. Especially in tank guns such as the 17 and 20 pounder QFs used in Sherman Fireflies and early Centurions. Although all tank guns do this now, in some older weapons this was not the case, so the gunner had to open the breech before loading, and avoiding this extra act saved time, hence "quick firing"
John Begg
I can't find a British naval DP gun, as far as I know this is an American term. Regardless, it would have been the mounting that recieved this designation (guns were either BL or QF), and as far as I know, HA/LA was used instead of DP, and only in the Mounting Mark XIX for the 4 inch gun Mark XVI. Emoscopes Talk 13:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I read that "quick firing" always meant gun fitted with on carriage recoil buffer and springs, so that the gun didn't need to be re-aimed after firing ? But the definition on the page would suggest that it refers just to the use of semi-fixed and fixed ammunition. The source that I am reading is not very definitive (Osprey British Artillery 1914-19). Does someone have a better source that says more "officially" what the exact definition is? Megapixie ( talk) 06:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Source : Ian Hogg, Britain Artillery Weapons & Ammunition 1914-1918. (& any other serious author). Rcbutcher ( talk) 08:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The article is wrongly titled. In UK terminology Ordnance means the barrel assembly (ie barrel, jacket etc, breech (complete), muzzlebrake, fume extractor). It does not include ammunition. Look at any UK Gun Handbook or Range/Firing Table, they always name the gun in terms of its ordnance and carriage or mounting.
There's several ordnance specific terms missing. Nfe ( talk) 10:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this article really a list or is it an article? Cyclopaedic ( talk) 05:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is named a list, but it isn't in list format. That is, it has article sections (about each term), and while the table of contents is a list of terms, the body of the article is not a list. A list is "A series of names, words, or other items written, printed, or imagined one after the other: a shopping list; a guest list; a list of things to do."
This article does present terms, but in between them is a huge amount of prose. That's not a list—it's an article about the terminology, where each term has its own section in the article.
A specialized form of list is a glossary, which includes terms followed by their definitions. But this article has sections that cover each term more extensively than a definition.
Also, the terminology included in the article is from a specific time period, and is therefore not comprehensive (it doesn't include modern usage or present-day terms about British artillery, such as surface-to-air missile launchers, etc.).
Because of this, the article should be renamed so that it accurately describes the contents of the article.
I look forward to your thoughts. The Transhumanist 19:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
First entry says:
"Between decks : applies to a naval gun mounting in which part of the rotating mass is below the deck, and part of it is above the deck. This allows for a lower profile of turret, meaning that turrets need not be superfiring (i.e. they can be mounted on the same deck and not obstruct each other at high angles of elevation.)"
I'm having trouble making sense of this...most large turrets have part of their rotating mass below decks, or contained in the casemate in the case of a superfiring gun. And a turret that does have it's compartment fully above deck couldn't be lowered much without interfering with the elevation arc of the guns. Is this mostly talking about smaller caliber guns, like you'd see on an old destroyer, which have quite a bit of "turret" and not much gun? I could see in that case, "sinking" one turret a bit into the deck, so as to avoid perching the second way up on a casemate. I just can't really imagine it working for big-gun turrets (and btw, are we actually talking about turrets here, or gunhouses? Just to be specific. Most ships actually have gun-houses mounted on turrets, afaik). .45Colt 03:33, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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I have also heard the QF (quick firing) term refer to a gun where the breech stays open after run back. Especially in tank guns such as the 17 and 20 pounder QFs used in Sherman Fireflies and early Centurions. Although all tank guns do this now, in some older weapons this was not the case, so the gunner had to open the breech before loading, and avoiding this extra act saved time, hence "quick firing"
John Begg
I can't find a British naval DP gun, as far as I know this is an American term. Regardless, it would have been the mounting that recieved this designation (guns were either BL or QF), and as far as I know, HA/LA was used instead of DP, and only in the Mounting Mark XIX for the 4 inch gun Mark XVI. Emoscopes Talk 13:45, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
I read that "quick firing" always meant gun fitted with on carriage recoil buffer and springs, so that the gun didn't need to be re-aimed after firing ? But the definition on the page would suggest that it refers just to the use of semi-fixed and fixed ammunition. The source that I am reading is not very definitive (Osprey British Artillery 1914-19). Does someone have a better source that says more "officially" what the exact definition is? Megapixie ( talk) 06:13, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
Source : Ian Hogg, Britain Artillery Weapons & Ammunition 1914-1918. (& any other serious author). Rcbutcher ( talk) 08:41, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
The article is wrongly titled. In UK terminology Ordnance means the barrel assembly (ie barrel, jacket etc, breech (complete), muzzlebrake, fume extractor). It does not include ammunition. Look at any UK Gun Handbook or Range/Firing Table, they always name the gun in terms of its ordnance and carriage or mounting.
There's several ordnance specific terms missing. Nfe ( talk) 10:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
Is this article really a list or is it an article? Cyclopaedic ( talk) 05:48, 30 September 2009 (UTC)
This article is named a list, but it isn't in list format. That is, it has article sections (about each term), and while the table of contents is a list of terms, the body of the article is not a list. A list is "A series of names, words, or other items written, printed, or imagined one after the other: a shopping list; a guest list; a list of things to do."
This article does present terms, but in between them is a huge amount of prose. That's not a list—it's an article about the terminology, where each term has its own section in the article.
A specialized form of list is a glossary, which includes terms followed by their definitions. But this article has sections that cover each term more extensively than a definition.
Also, the terminology included in the article is from a specific time period, and is therefore not comprehensive (it doesn't include modern usage or present-day terms about British artillery, such as surface-to-air missile launchers, etc.).
Because of this, the article should be renamed so that it accurately describes the contents of the article.
I look forward to your thoughts. The Transhumanist 19:31, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
First entry says:
"Between decks : applies to a naval gun mounting in which part of the rotating mass is below the deck, and part of it is above the deck. This allows for a lower profile of turret, meaning that turrets need not be superfiring (i.e. they can be mounted on the same deck and not obstruct each other at high angles of elevation.)"
I'm having trouble making sense of this...most large turrets have part of their rotating mass below decks, or contained in the casemate in the case of a superfiring gun. And a turret that does have it's compartment fully above deck couldn't be lowered much without interfering with the elevation arc of the guns. Is this mostly talking about smaller caliber guns, like you'd see on an old destroyer, which have quite a bit of "turret" and not much gun? I could see in that case, "sinking" one turret a bit into the deck, so as to avoid perching the second way up on a casemate. I just can't really imagine it working for big-gun turrets (and btw, are we actually talking about turrets here, or gunhouses? Just to be specific. Most ships actually have gun-houses mounted on turrets, afaik). .45Colt 03:33, 9 December 2015 (UTC)
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