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The content of this Article is non-neutral.
A more neutral article, I propose, would start with a more generally-acceptable premise: various groups, for various reasons, have differing ideas on the rate of global climate change, the amount of human impact on that change, and the strategies that each nation should take to deal with that change. The GCC (based on their published charter) advocated a response working on a longer time-scale, and involving more non-U.S. activity, than other responses, such as the Kyoto Treaty. 67.184.231.94 ( talk) 16:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.231.94 ( talk) 16:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
do they have another homesite which is in use?
Yikes. One would hope that the neutrality of Wikipedia info related to the environment, is not being decided based on this William M. Connolley's judgement. For him to post this remark, and not mark the content of the information on GCC as non-neutral, is disappointing. 67.184.231.94 ( talk) 16:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Why has a lot of companies been removed from the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.212.53 ( talk) 19:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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help)The Global Climate Coalition is an organization of trade associations established in 1989 to coordinate business participation in the international policy debate on the issue of global climate change and global warming.
The GCC was established in 1989 to coordinate business participation in the science and policy debate on the climate change issue.
According to the home page of their website, GCC was established "to coordinate business participation in the international policy debate on the issue of global climate change and global warming."
GCC was formed to coordinate business participation in the international policy debate on the issue of global climate change and global warming.
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Errrm, but sourcing it to the their own homepage only is dishonest. Its in your ref too William M. Connolley ( talk) 16:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
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Copyright statement from source: "Copyright © 2000 Global Climate Coalition, All rights reserved." Hugh ( talk) 18:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The Global Climate Coaltion (GCC), formed in 1989 in reaction to establishment of the IPCC, was an early front group designed to combat evidence of climate change and climate policy making.
One of the reasons given for its formation was that in 1988 there was a “very alarmist presentation by James Hansen of NASA to a Senate Committee that climate change was taking place.”
The concept of global warming didn’t enter the public consciousness until the 1980s. During a sweltering summer in 1988, pioneering NASA climatologist James Hansen famously told Congress he believed with “99 percent confidence” that a long-term warming trend had begun, probably caused by the greenhouse effect. As environmentalists and some in Congress began to call for reduced emissions from the burning of fossil fuels, industry fought back. In 1989, the petroleum and automotive industries and the National Association of Manufacturers forged the Global Climate Coalition...
GCC was perhaps formed in reaction to the 1988 establishment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and to NASA climatologist James Hansen's congressional testimony.
Context for the founding of the GCC from 1988 included the establishment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and NASA climatologist James Hansen's congressional testimony.
Support 2. We are expected to provide context to our readers so that they can better understand the content of our articles. Multiple reliable sources cover the immediately preceding historical context of the founding of the GCC, and so it is due weight for us to do so as well. Thank you. Hugh ( talk) 19:48, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Although only nations and non-profits may send official delegates to the United Nations Climate Change conferences, GCC registered with... doesn't make sense. The GCC was a non-profit, no? William M. Connolley ( talk) 00:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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A very good article with some minor issues. I will be placing this article "ON HOLD" for seven days to allow for these changes. Please @PING me with any further questions, comments, or concerns and I will try to respond as soon as possible. Thanks and good luck! Cheers, Carbrera ( talk) 03:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC).
@ Prinsgezinde:, why are you using a less neutral intro vs the long standing version of the text? It's worth noting that the source you are trying to use contains an amendment that is a reasonable basis for to use the more neutral "skeptic" vs "denialist" term. It notes:
So it isn't correct to act like the coalition was simply denying GW hence the "denialist" label doesn't really fit. Also, per NPOV we should use more neutral terms vs provocative labels when speaking in Wiki voice. Springee ( talk) 20:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Just pointing out that "long standing text" is an empty argument. See WP:Consensus can change and WP:CONTENTAGE. NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 11:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
This is not historically accurate. GCC was run by the E. Bruce Harrison Company from 1989-1996. It was founded by Patricia Harrison and her husband E. Bruce Harrison. They sold the company in 1996 to Ruder Finn. This error has also been noted by RF reps on their Wikipedia talk page:
"Ruder Finn did not run the GCC, a subsidiary company that was later acquired by Ruder Finn provided counsel to the GCC."
This is important to fix because the history of the E. Bruce Harrison Company has been whitewashed and made almost invisible. They are historically important in the history of climate change denial and anti-environmentalism, and were the driving force fighting on behalf of chemical companies against Rachel Carson and environmental legislation.
Later, they were the PR firm who helped fossil fuel companies fight against the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. They invented the "clean coal" nonsense, are given credit for inventing corporate greenwashing and are deeply connected to the conservative political movement in the US.
More recently in the news, we've all heard about how Exxon Mobil was filmed admitting that they supported a carbon tax purely as a public relations ploy intended to stall or hinder actual climate mitigation strategies. I think if you look closely at this ploy, you'll find the fingerprints of the E. Bruce Harrison Company. It's likely they invented it decades ago.
The greatest trick they ever pulled was convincing the world they never existed. It's time to fix the historical record and bring them back into the spotlight. Viriditas ( talk) 00:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
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The content of this Article is non-neutral.
A more neutral article, I propose, would start with a more generally-acceptable premise: various groups, for various reasons, have differing ideas on the rate of global climate change, the amount of human impact on that change, and the strategies that each nation should take to deal with that change. The GCC (based on their published charter) advocated a response working on a longer time-scale, and involving more non-U.S. activity, than other responses, such as the Kyoto Treaty. 67.184.231.94 ( talk) 16:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.184.231.94 ( talk) 16:24, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
do they have another homesite which is in use?
Yikes. One would hope that the neutrality of Wikipedia info related to the environment, is not being decided based on this William M. Connolley's judgement. For him to post this remark, and not mark the content of the information on GCC as non-neutral, is disappointing. 67.184.231.94 ( talk) 16:36, 22 April 2011 (UTC)
Why has a lot of companies been removed from the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.235.212.53 ( talk) 19:42, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
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help)The Global Climate Coalition is an organization of trade associations established in 1989 to coordinate business participation in the international policy debate on the issue of global climate change and global warming.
The GCC was established in 1989 to coordinate business participation in the science and policy debate on the climate change issue.
According to the home page of their website, GCC was established "to coordinate business participation in the international policy debate on the issue of global climate change and global warming."
GCC was formed to coordinate business participation in the international policy debate on the issue of global climate change and global warming.
Two policies are relevant here.
The context of this content is, we provide our readers with brief summarizations of what multiple, independent, secondary reliable sources have to say regarding the reasons behind the founding of the subject of this article, then follow with two sentences briefly summarizes what the subject of this article itself had to say about its reasons for being. The subjects of Wikipedia articles do not get to write their own Wikipedia article. Thank you. Hugh ( talk) 16:11, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Errrm, but sourcing it to the their own homepage only is dishonest. Its in your ref too William M. Connolley ( talk) 16:35, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. The material was copied from: http://web.archive.org/web/20010302000601/http://www.globalclimate.org/index.htm. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.)
For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, and, if allowed under fair use, may copy sentences and phrases, provided they are included in quotation marks and referenced properly. The material may also be rewritten, providing it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Therefore, such paraphrased portions must provide their source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Hugh ( talk) 18:29, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
Copyright statement from source: "Copyright © 2000 Global Climate Coalition, All rights reserved." Hugh ( talk) 18:33, 20 February 2016 (UTC)
The Global Climate Coaltion (GCC), formed in 1989 in reaction to establishment of the IPCC, was an early front group designed to combat evidence of climate change and climate policy making.
One of the reasons given for its formation was that in 1988 there was a “very alarmist presentation by James Hansen of NASA to a Senate Committee that climate change was taking place.”
The concept of global warming didn’t enter the public consciousness until the 1980s. During a sweltering summer in 1988, pioneering NASA climatologist James Hansen famously told Congress he believed with “99 percent confidence” that a long-term warming trend had begun, probably caused by the greenhouse effect. As environmentalists and some in Congress began to call for reduced emissions from the burning of fossil fuels, industry fought back. In 1989, the petroleum and automotive industries and the National Association of Manufacturers forged the Global Climate Coalition...
GCC was perhaps formed in reaction to the 1988 establishment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and to NASA climatologist James Hansen's congressional testimony.
Context for the founding of the GCC from 1988 included the establishment of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) and NASA climatologist James Hansen's congressional testimony.
Support 2. We are expected to provide context to our readers so that they can better understand the content of our articles. Multiple reliable sources cover the immediately preceding historical context of the founding of the GCC, and so it is due weight for us to do so as well. Thank you. Hugh ( talk) 19:48, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Although only nations and non-profits may send official delegates to the United Nations Climate Change conferences, GCC registered with... doesn't make sense. The GCC was a non-profit, no? William M. Connolley ( talk) 00:20, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
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A very good article with some minor issues. I will be placing this article "ON HOLD" for seven days to allow for these changes. Please @PING me with any further questions, comments, or concerns and I will try to respond as soon as possible. Thanks and good luck! Cheers, Carbrera ( talk) 03:18, 22 June 2016 (UTC).
@ Prinsgezinde:, why are you using a less neutral intro vs the long standing version of the text? It's worth noting that the source you are trying to use contains an amendment that is a reasonable basis for to use the more neutral "skeptic" vs "denialist" term. It notes:
So it isn't correct to act like the coalition was simply denying GW hence the "denialist" label doesn't really fit. Also, per NPOV we should use more neutral terms vs provocative labels when speaking in Wiki voice. Springee ( talk) 20:08, 20 December 2018 (UTC)
Just pointing out that "long standing text" is an empty argument. See WP:Consensus can change and WP:CONTENTAGE. NewsAndEventsGuy ( talk) 11:54, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
This is not historically accurate. GCC was run by the E. Bruce Harrison Company from 1989-1996. It was founded by Patricia Harrison and her husband E. Bruce Harrison. They sold the company in 1996 to Ruder Finn. This error has also been noted by RF reps on their Wikipedia talk page:
"Ruder Finn did not run the GCC, a subsidiary company that was later acquired by Ruder Finn provided counsel to the GCC."
This is important to fix because the history of the E. Bruce Harrison Company has been whitewashed and made almost invisible. They are historically important in the history of climate change denial and anti-environmentalism, and were the driving force fighting on behalf of chemical companies against Rachel Carson and environmental legislation.
Later, they were the PR firm who helped fossil fuel companies fight against the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. They invented the "clean coal" nonsense, are given credit for inventing corporate greenwashing and are deeply connected to the conservative political movement in the US.
More recently in the news, we've all heard about how Exxon Mobil was filmed admitting that they supported a carbon tax purely as a public relations ploy intended to stall or hinder actual climate mitigation strategies. I think if you look closely at this ploy, you'll find the fingerprints of the E. Bruce Harrison Company. It's likely they invented it decades ago.
The greatest trick they ever pulled was convincing the world they never existed. It's time to fix the historical record and bring them back into the spotlight. Viriditas ( talk) 00:15, 22 August 2021 (UTC)