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As per the discussion above I am doing the following:
I would request that noone undo this move without first discussing it on the talk pages, to avoid further conflict. The intent is to restrict the scope of this article to sport sailplanes and leave other material in glider aircraft and other subarticles. Regards AKAF ( talk) 08:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC).
The article states : Flaps are fitted on some gliders so that the optimal lift of the wing is available at all speeds.
That's not quite true - the long description : The tailplane generates drag, and the minimum drag occurs when the elevator is in line with the horizontal stabiliser (or there abouts), which sets a specific speed for a given wing profile. Flying at a different speed incurs more drag because the elevator is no longer in the optimum position for that wing profile. The flaps change the wing profile, so now we can fly at a range of speeds without having to move the elevator from its minimum drag configuration and we can therefore maximise our glide angle at a range of speeds. Now that's all a bit long winded, so can we reduce it down to a simple sentence? Impeachable ( talk) 15:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Changed the glide slope control maneauver previously labelled as "side slip" to forward slip, as a side slip is used to maintain straight flight in a crosswind. A forward slip on the other hand is used for glide slope control with opposing control and a typically nose sideways positioning of the craft. Common error in naming. Will provide "From the Ground Up" reference for those requiring a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.125.111 ( talk) 02:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I have unreverted the Caley bit. There were lots of early fliers that got off the ground for a few metres, often without killing someone. Caley was one of them. But it was Lilienthal who first had controlled, repeatable flight, and Wright brothers acknowledge that.
If you want to expand that disucsion here then fine. But just to give Caley the credit here without expanison of others is not appropriate. I'd say leave it in the Early Flight article.
Also, as a rule, only revert vandalism. If you do not like an edit then improve it rather than starting a revert war. Tuntable ( talk) 05:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
OK, so I have left Cailies section in, but expanded it. I do not think we need to offer an opinion as to who was first, just state what each one did. I do not understand the England reference "first recorder soaring flight" given that Lilienthal ridge soared for extended periods 20 years early.
I do get very annoyed at people that just arogantly revert without any effort to integrate. Tuntable ( talk) 04:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
So, here is the methodology. I do all the work, and you are the judge. If it does not please you, you just revert, and then I have another go. No need for you do do anything. Sounds fair. Tuntable ( talk) 23:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
The article suggests that current sailplanes have glide ratios around 70:1. The best open class sailplanes currently flying show glide ratios around 60:1. And more common 15 meter span aircraft have glide ratios between 38:1 and 48:1. Club aircraft range from 23:1 to 40:1.
Added {{Merge|Glider aircraft}} Northamerica1000 ( talk) 11:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Note:Multiple venues - note this discussion was closed at Talk:Glider aircraft MilborneOne ( talk) 11:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Glider (sailplane) → sailplane – Sailplane redirects here. I find the current title unnecessarily awkward. Glider is a dab page, but "sailplane" is short and clear. It's another word for just this type of thing. ospalh ( talk) 17:44, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This article currently begins, "A glider or sailplane is a type of glider aircraft used in the sport of gliding." With the recent move of Glider aircraft to Glider (aircraft) that logically reads, "A glider or sailplane aircraft is a type of glider used...." which seems clumsy and silly.
I think it would be clearer and more logical if the lead were to be rephrased something like, "A sailplane is a type of glider, used mainly in the sport of gliding."
Yes we all talk about "gliders" when we mean specifically sailplanes, but that is because we do not live in an encyclopedia. The word is ambiguous and WP:PRECISE says of such a title that "If it exists, choose a different, alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit, not as commonly as the preferred but ambiguous title." This would suggest that this article be moved to "Sailplane".
These two changes would appear to be consistent with each other, but I know this has been a contentious subject so I think a discussion is the best way to air them - at least at first. What do you think? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
It's not at all encyclopediadic. All the (interior monologues) inserted make the article sound like someone's diary, not an encyclopedia.
Next time one of you super editors wander upon this article, please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.139.206.148 ( talk) 20:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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Aside from ENGVAR (before that gets used in an argument), I would have thought that at least some consistency in language is a feature of prose of a well constructed article. The words glider and sailplane are being used interchangeably in many parts of the text (or are they?) and I believe one or the other of the words should be used consistently when the article is talking about the same thing. We all like to write and contribute to articles on things we are knowledgeable about and can source, but getting the prose right is something we pilots might not necessarily be best at. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi all
The international gliding governing body is the FAI gliding commission.
The highest level of competition is the Sailplane Grand Prix, and it's qualifying races.
These high performance gliders compete in a sailplane grand prix, named so by the sports governing body.
The governing body conflates the two terms, stating that:
"The terms: glider or sailplane? Gliding or soaring?
The terms glider and sailplane are interchangeable but sailplane is more common in the USA."
So the international governing body says they are exactly the same thing.
The definition is on their "about our sport" page
The site has documentation on those events, here.
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12:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
All the people who know about the sport, will tell you the highest level of the sport of gliding is the World Gliding Championships. Manufacturers design their products with these competitions in mind. The grand prix events were merely an attempt to make the sport more appealing to the general public. Most of the best pilots don't enter. JMcC ( talk) 11:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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As per the discussion above I am doing the following:
I would request that noone undo this move without first discussing it on the talk pages, to avoid further conflict. The intent is to restrict the scope of this article to sport sailplanes and leave other material in glider aircraft and other subarticles. Regards AKAF ( talk) 08:23, 18 February 2009 (UTC).
The article states : Flaps are fitted on some gliders so that the optimal lift of the wing is available at all speeds.
That's not quite true - the long description : The tailplane generates drag, and the minimum drag occurs when the elevator is in line with the horizontal stabiliser (or there abouts), which sets a specific speed for a given wing profile. Flying at a different speed incurs more drag because the elevator is no longer in the optimum position for that wing profile. The flaps change the wing profile, so now we can fly at a range of speeds without having to move the elevator from its minimum drag configuration and we can therefore maximise our glide angle at a range of speeds. Now that's all a bit long winded, so can we reduce it down to a simple sentence? Impeachable ( talk) 15:57, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Changed the glide slope control maneauver previously labelled as "side slip" to forward slip, as a side slip is used to maintain straight flight in a crosswind. A forward slip on the other hand is used for glide slope control with opposing control and a typically nose sideways positioning of the craft. Common error in naming. Will provide "From the Ground Up" reference for those requiring a source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.64.125.111 ( talk) 02:44, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I have unreverted the Caley bit. There were lots of early fliers that got off the ground for a few metres, often without killing someone. Caley was one of them. But it was Lilienthal who first had controlled, repeatable flight, and Wright brothers acknowledge that.
If you want to expand that disucsion here then fine. But just to give Caley the credit here without expanison of others is not appropriate. I'd say leave it in the Early Flight article.
Also, as a rule, only revert vandalism. If you do not like an edit then improve it rather than starting a revert war. Tuntable ( talk) 05:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
OK, so I have left Cailies section in, but expanded it. I do not think we need to offer an opinion as to who was first, just state what each one did. I do not understand the England reference "first recorder soaring flight" given that Lilienthal ridge soared for extended periods 20 years early.
I do get very annoyed at people that just arogantly revert without any effort to integrate. Tuntable ( talk) 04:21, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
So, here is the methodology. I do all the work, and you are the judge. If it does not please you, you just revert, and then I have another go. No need for you do do anything. Sounds fair. Tuntable ( talk) 23:00, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
The article suggests that current sailplanes have glide ratios around 70:1. The best open class sailplanes currently flying show glide ratios around 60:1. And more common 15 meter span aircraft have glide ratios between 38:1 and 48:1. Club aircraft range from 23:1 to 40:1.
Added {{Merge|Glider aircraft}} Northamerica1000 ( talk) 11:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Note:Multiple venues - note this discussion was closed at Talk:Glider aircraft MilborneOne ( talk) 11:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 23:14, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Glider (sailplane) → sailplane – Sailplane redirects here. I find the current title unnecessarily awkward. Glider is a dab page, but "sailplane" is short and clear. It's another word for just this type of thing. ospalh ( talk) 17:44, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
This article currently begins, "A glider or sailplane is a type of glider aircraft used in the sport of gliding." With the recent move of Glider aircraft to Glider (aircraft) that logically reads, "A glider or sailplane aircraft is a type of glider used...." which seems clumsy and silly.
I think it would be clearer and more logical if the lead were to be rephrased something like, "A sailplane is a type of glider, used mainly in the sport of gliding."
Yes we all talk about "gliders" when we mean specifically sailplanes, but that is because we do not live in an encyclopedia. The word is ambiguous and WP:PRECISE says of such a title that "If it exists, choose a different, alternative name that the subject is also commonly called in English, albeit, not as commonly as the preferred but ambiguous title." This would suggest that this article be moved to "Sailplane".
These two changes would appear to be consistent with each other, but I know this has been a contentious subject so I think a discussion is the best way to air them - at least at first. What do you think? — Cheers, Steelpillow ( Talk) 13:50, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
It's not at all encyclopediadic. All the (interior monologues) inserted make the article sound like someone's diary, not an encyclopedia.
Next time one of you super editors wander upon this article, please fix it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.139.206.148 ( talk) 20:45, 16 February 2013 (UTC)
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Aside from ENGVAR (before that gets used in an argument), I would have thought that at least some consistency in language is a feature of prose of a well constructed article. The words glider and sailplane are being used interchangeably in many parts of the text (or are they?) and I believe one or the other of the words should be used consistently when the article is talking about the same thing. We all like to write and contribute to articles on things we are knowledgeable about and can source, but getting the prose right is something we pilots might not necessarily be best at. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง ( talk) 01:12, 8 March 2018 (UTC)
Hi all
The international gliding governing body is the FAI gliding commission.
The highest level of competition is the Sailplane Grand Prix, and it's qualifying races.
These high performance gliders compete in a sailplane grand prix, named so by the sports governing body.
The governing body conflates the two terms, stating that:
"The terms: glider or sailplane? Gliding or soaring?
The terms glider and sailplane are interchangeable but sailplane is more common in the USA."
So the international governing body says they are exactly the same thing.
The definition is on their "about our sport" page
The site has documentation on those events, here.
Chaosdruid (
talk)
12:33, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
All the people who know about the sport, will tell you the highest level of the sport of gliding is the World Gliding Championships. Manufacturers design their products with these competitions in mind. The grand prix events were merely an attempt to make the sport more appealing to the general public. Most of the best pilots don't enter. JMcC ( talk) 11:04, 10 July 2021 (UTC)