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Neil Kinnock was elected Leader of the Opposition in 1983. Thereby, Mr Kinnock became a Privy Council member, and remains so for life. His formal title was then the Rt Hon Neil Kinnock MP PC. Glenys remained Mrs Glenys Kinnock (ie she wasn't a PC member, so couldn't be described as the Rt Hon Mrs Glenys Kinnock) until she was elected as an MEP in 1994. Then, she became Glenys Kinnock MEP.
Neil Kinnock was ennobled in 2005. He is still a member of the Privy Council, and can thus be addressed Rt Hon The Baron Kinnock etc. Glenys could, I suppose, insist on being addressed as The Hon. Baroness Kinnock etc but, apart from on formal embossed invitations, that would sound a bit naff. So, I think you should drop the silly Hon. (certainly forget all about her husband's Rt Hon) title, and just call her Baroness or Lady Kinnock. Then, we can all go back to sleep! Phase1 22:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I refer you to http://www.debretts.co.uk/peerage_and_baronetage/peers.html which states that "A baron is styled Right Honourable and formally by the Sovereign Right trusty and well-beloved cousin (and counsellor when a Member of the Privy Council)." This applies equally to a baroness in her own right, which is what a Life Baroness is, and this is why peers who are Privy Counsellors have the letters PC appended to denote their membership.-- Westminsterboy 23:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Phase1 is wrong. Peers and Peeresses below the rank of Marquess or Marchioness, whether in their own right or by right of their husband, are "The Right Honourable" by virtue of the peerage. Proteus (Talk) 14:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough, Proteus: I said earlier that I was open to persuasion on the matter. You give a valid reference to Debretts Correct Form which says that, on an envelope, the wife of a Baron should be addressed "The Right Honourable". I therefore stand corrected. Does the wife, however, have a say in all this? For example, could Glenys Kinnock MEP decline to accept the style and title that goes with her husband's peerage? Phase1 23:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The title 'Baroness' is reserved for Baronesses in their own right, and not for the wives of Barons. The wife of Baron X is 'Lady X'. David | Talk 00:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. We do not use full titles where the subject does not use them (see Richard Needham) because that would breach WP:NPOV. We note the alternate versions of names. The comparison with Dukes is misplaced because the reason for referring to "Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster" is to disambiguate him from previous holders of the title, which is not an issue in printed peerage guides. Nor do I accept that the consensus on Wikipedia favours your version; as I read the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage#Baroness vs. Lady, no-one directly supported the concept of wives of Barons being Baronesses, while several editors explicitly objected. David | Talk 21:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The comparison with Richard Needham is misplaced since that article refers to an Irish peerage where different rules of address apply.
Did she stand for re-election to the EP? Does she automatically vacate that seat following her appointment as a minister?~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.125.185 ( talk) 17:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Her website is given as, http://www.glenyskinnock.org.uk/. I get that redirected to http://www.spindogs.co.uk/this-website-no-longer-exists/
-- Brian McNeil / talk 01:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
No mention of her children? Valetude ( talk) 11:39, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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She is going to retire next month. https://lordsbusiness.parliament.uk/?businessPaperDate=2021-03-19§ionId=40 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.234.152.196 ( talk) 12:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
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Neil Kinnock was elected Leader of the Opposition in 1983. Thereby, Mr Kinnock became a Privy Council member, and remains so for life. His formal title was then the Rt Hon Neil Kinnock MP PC. Glenys remained Mrs Glenys Kinnock (ie she wasn't a PC member, so couldn't be described as the Rt Hon Mrs Glenys Kinnock) until she was elected as an MEP in 1994. Then, she became Glenys Kinnock MEP.
Neil Kinnock was ennobled in 2005. He is still a member of the Privy Council, and can thus be addressed Rt Hon The Baron Kinnock etc. Glenys could, I suppose, insist on being addressed as The Hon. Baroness Kinnock etc but, apart from on formal embossed invitations, that would sound a bit naff. So, I think you should drop the silly Hon. (certainly forget all about her husband's Rt Hon) title, and just call her Baroness or Lady Kinnock. Then, we can all go back to sleep! Phase1 22:55, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
I refer you to http://www.debretts.co.uk/peerage_and_baronetage/peers.html which states that "A baron is styled Right Honourable and formally by the Sovereign Right trusty and well-beloved cousin (and counsellor when a Member of the Privy Council)." This applies equally to a baroness in her own right, which is what a Life Baroness is, and this is why peers who are Privy Counsellors have the letters PC appended to denote their membership.-- Westminsterboy 23:16, 25 November 2005 (UTC)
Phase1 is wrong. Peers and Peeresses below the rank of Marquess or Marchioness, whether in their own right or by right of their husband, are "The Right Honourable" by virtue of the peerage. Proteus (Talk) 14:53, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
Fair enough, Proteus: I said earlier that I was open to persuasion on the matter. You give a valid reference to Debretts Correct Form which says that, on an envelope, the wife of a Baron should be addressed "The Right Honourable". I therefore stand corrected. Does the wife, however, have a say in all this? For example, could Glenys Kinnock MEP decline to accept the style and title that goes with her husband's peerage? Phase1 23:57, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
The title 'Baroness' is reserved for Baronesses in their own right, and not for the wives of Barons. The wife of Baron X is 'Lady X'. David | Talk 00:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
I disagree. We do not use full titles where the subject does not use them (see Richard Needham) because that would breach WP:NPOV. We note the alternate versions of names. The comparison with Dukes is misplaced because the reason for referring to "Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster" is to disambiguate him from previous holders of the title, which is not an issue in printed peerage guides. Nor do I accept that the consensus on Wikipedia favours your version; as I read the discussion on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Peerage#Baroness vs. Lady, no-one directly supported the concept of wives of Barons being Baronesses, while several editors explicitly objected. David | Talk 21:30, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
The comparison with Richard Needham is misplaced since that article refers to an Irish peerage where different rules of address apply.
Did she stand for re-election to the EP? Does she automatically vacate that seat following her appointment as a minister?~~ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.177.125.185 ( talk) 17:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
Her website is given as, http://www.glenyskinnock.org.uk/. I get that redirected to http://www.spindogs.co.uk/this-website-no-longer-exists/
-- Brian McNeil / talk 01:00, 6 October 2009 (UTC)
No mention of her children? Valetude ( talk) 11:39, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
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She is going to retire next month. https://lordsbusiness.parliament.uk/?businessPaperDate=2021-03-19§ionId=40 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.234.152.196 ( talk) 12:42, 20 March 2021 (UTC)