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I added the informational website www.glassblower.info to the Wikipedia page about Glassblowing.
It was removed by TeapotGeorge less than 8 hours later based on the (false) assertion that the external link I added to the page Glassblowing "do not comply with our guidelines for external links", and further makes the claim that my external link falls within the definition of "spam by COI editor" (Conflict of Interest).
But that assertion is false for the following reasons:
1. The guidelines for External links specifically allows that "Some acceptable links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or AMOUNT OF DETAIL, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy."
2. I argue that that guideline was fully met with the including of the www.glassblower.info link
3. I would point out, I carefully chose the domain name within the fullest goal for the INFO TLD, namely "the domain is intended for informative Internet resources." I would note that even wikipedia feels that "COM" meaning COMmercial is more appropriate TLD for its own website?
4. With more than 2,200 web pages (based on XenuLink scan) www.glassblower.info contains far more content than a wikipedia article could ever contain on the subject of glassblowing, and it is solely for the acceptable purpose to "contain further research" for anyone who is interested in learning more (much more) about glassblowing.
5. I would also argue that TeapotGeorge's COI assertion is not accurate. From the Wikipedia page concerning COI: "COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups." In fact, the purpose of the external link is to provide INFORMATION (just as the TLD states) far beyond that which Wikipedia itself can provide.
6. I would also take TeapotGeorge to task for labelling my external link "spam", which under the most common definition is based on "unsolicited bulk messages", which was certainly not the case, and i had, in fact, tried to describe my change in the "revision history of glassblowing" which, I would have thought, shown this to be a fully-thought out re-adding of an informational website which had been part of this article in the past, but was found to be missing, I had assumed due to vandalism.
In summary, I assert that www.glassblower.info is a non-commercial INFORMATIONAL website, and is definitely appropriate resource for someone seeking more detailed information about glassblowing.
Tonyspatti ( talk) 20:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a Web site or a product is considered spam, and isn't allowed. (For more information, see WP:SPAM.) Teapot george Talk 22:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry - but I've never heard the term "glassmith" used to refer to a glass blower. Can anyone verify that this word exists? Is it specifically British usage? 130.91.117.61 17:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice example of the timeless art of glassblowing...*cough*... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.173.46.2 ( talk • contribs) 2005-06-17 20:39 (UTC)
To the poster above: Say something constructive, or screw off.
Anyway, this is a fairly decent article, but maybe breaking things down into better categories a bit and expanding things would make it better. I'll be looking for some things to add. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.19.206.239 ( talk • contribs) 2006-02-17 19:44 (UTC)
I am wondering what the difference between on-hand and off-hand glassblowing are, and would like this information to be added to the article if at all possible.
There is no "on hand" glass blowing. "Off-hand" Reffers to the making of item without the use of a mold ("mold blown" or even sometimes in verbiage as "mouth blown").
Also, Lino Tagliapietra was NOT the first Murano train master to teach in America. That honor goes to Checco Ongaro. He taught at Pilchuck the year before Lino and when asked to come back he declined and suggested his Brother in law, Lino instead. Read "Pilchuck, A Glass School" for confirmation.
Nice article and thank you for making it. My own two cents- several people might be considered for the above mentioned "first", Gianni Toso among them but certainly Lino deserves a special place among any group of glassblowers that have powerfully influenced American glass. A side note: Typically (but not exclusively) flameworking does not utilize steel puntys instead using pulled, generally clear, cane, or steel mandrels in the case of beads for support so the last sentence on the flameworking paragraph might be more appropriate in the preceding paragraph about furnace glass. Cheers! Dave@davidsglass.com
Flameworking definitely needs to be addressed better. And nobody makes mention of scientific glassblowing. Which, while being the more technical side of glassblowing, certainly still is. To infer that blowing glass is nearly for the purpose of pretty shapes and such neglects the contributions glassblowers have made to the lifestyles we live (i.e. light bulbs and most scientific discoveries). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.53.227 ( talk) 19:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
When it comes to present day glass blowing, the whole paragraph is only about US studios. The famous work from e.g. Sweden and Czech Republic is missing. I didn't know how to put that particular box on the article section, so I left my remark here. I can add something about Sweden (will do soon) but then the rest of the planet is still missing. Pepijnk ( talk) 20:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
There is a large jump in the historical section.... There is no information about glassblowing from the middle ages through the 1960s! Particularly, no mention is made of the late 19th/early 20th c. revival of "art glass" - Lalique, Tiffany, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.124.242.137 ( talk) 16:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I'll take responsibility to fill in this gap.
FauxClaud (
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20:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I came to this page following a pontil link from the Crown glass (window) entry. Eventually I found a reference to a punty with a link that redirects to the same page. I am no wiser! Old Aylesburian ( talk) 09:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Me too. Unfortunately no time to research and fix right now. Thumbs up for anyone who gets around to it!
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16:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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Article has a lot of images already, so without an obvious place for this I'll leave it here for regular editors of the page to decide -- a featured picture on Commons. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
“Literary sources have traditionally given the birthplace of glassblowing as the Phoenician coast. However, on archaeological evidence it seems more likely that the invention took place in the Aleppo-Hama-Palmyra”
Source:
Conservation and Restoration of Glass - Page 101
The history section can be renewed.
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I added the informational website www.glassblower.info to the Wikipedia page about Glassblowing.
It was removed by TeapotGeorge less than 8 hours later based on the (false) assertion that the external link I added to the page Glassblowing "do not comply with our guidelines for external links", and further makes the claim that my external link falls within the definition of "spam by COI editor" (Conflict of Interest).
But that assertion is false for the following reasons:
1. The guidelines for External links specifically allows that "Some acceptable links include those that contain further research that is accurate and on-topic, information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as copyright or AMOUNT OF DETAIL, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy."
2. I argue that that guideline was fully met with the including of the www.glassblower.info link
3. I would point out, I carefully chose the domain name within the fullest goal for the INFO TLD, namely "the domain is intended for informative Internet resources." I would note that even wikipedia feels that "COM" meaning COMmercial is more appropriate TLD for its own website?
4. With more than 2,200 web pages (based on XenuLink scan) www.glassblower.info contains far more content than a wikipedia article could ever contain on the subject of glassblowing, and it is solely for the acceptable purpose to "contain further research" for anyone who is interested in learning more (much more) about glassblowing.
5. I would also argue that TeapotGeorge's COI assertion is not accurate. From the Wikipedia page concerning COI: "COI editing involves contributing to Wikipedia in order to promote your own interests or those of other individuals, companies, or groups." In fact, the purpose of the external link is to provide INFORMATION (just as the TLD states) far beyond that which Wikipedia itself can provide.
6. I would also take TeapotGeorge to task for labelling my external link "spam", which under the most common definition is based on "unsolicited bulk messages", which was certainly not the case, and i had, in fact, tried to describe my change in the "revision history of glassblowing" which, I would have thought, shown this to be a fully-thought out re-adding of an informational website which had been part of this article in the past, but was found to be missing, I had assumed due to vandalism.
In summary, I assert that www.glassblower.info is a non-commercial INFORMATIONAL website, and is definitely appropriate resource for someone seeking more detailed information about glassblowing.
Tonyspatti ( talk) 20:49, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
Adding external links to an article or user page for the purpose of promoting a Web site or a product is considered spam, and isn't allowed. (For more information, see WP:SPAM.) Teapot george Talk 22:48, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry - but I've never heard the term "glassmith" used to refer to a glass blower. Can anyone verify that this word exists? Is it specifically British usage? 130.91.117.61 17:45, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Nice example of the timeless art of glassblowing...*cough*... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 63.173.46.2 ( talk • contribs) 2005-06-17 20:39 (UTC)
To the poster above: Say something constructive, or screw off.
Anyway, this is a fairly decent article, but maybe breaking things down into better categories a bit and expanding things would make it better. I'll be looking for some things to add. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.19.206.239 ( talk • contribs) 2006-02-17 19:44 (UTC)
I am wondering what the difference between on-hand and off-hand glassblowing are, and would like this information to be added to the article if at all possible.
There is no "on hand" glass blowing. "Off-hand" Reffers to the making of item without the use of a mold ("mold blown" or even sometimes in verbiage as "mouth blown").
Also, Lino Tagliapietra was NOT the first Murano train master to teach in America. That honor goes to Checco Ongaro. He taught at Pilchuck the year before Lino and when asked to come back he declined and suggested his Brother in law, Lino instead. Read "Pilchuck, A Glass School" for confirmation.
Nice article and thank you for making it. My own two cents- several people might be considered for the above mentioned "first", Gianni Toso among them but certainly Lino deserves a special place among any group of glassblowers that have powerfully influenced American glass. A side note: Typically (but not exclusively) flameworking does not utilize steel puntys instead using pulled, generally clear, cane, or steel mandrels in the case of beads for support so the last sentence on the flameworking paragraph might be more appropriate in the preceding paragraph about furnace glass. Cheers! Dave@davidsglass.com
Flameworking definitely needs to be addressed better. And nobody makes mention of scientific glassblowing. Which, while being the more technical side of glassblowing, certainly still is. To infer that blowing glass is nearly for the purpose of pretty shapes and such neglects the contributions glassblowers have made to the lifestyles we live (i.e. light bulbs and most scientific discoveries). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.74.53.227 ( talk) 19:49, 23 April 2010 (UTC)
When it comes to present day glass blowing, the whole paragraph is only about US studios. The famous work from e.g. Sweden and Czech Republic is missing. I didn't know how to put that particular box on the article section, so I left my remark here. I can add something about Sweden (will do soon) but then the rest of the planet is still missing. Pepijnk ( talk) 20:58, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
There is a large jump in the historical section.... There is no information about glassblowing from the middle ages through the 1960s! Particularly, no mention is made of the late 19th/early 20th c. revival of "art glass" - Lalique, Tiffany, etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.124.242.137 ( talk) 16:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)
I'll take responsibility to fill in this gap.
FauxClaud (
talk)
20:31, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
I came to this page following a pontil link from the Crown glass (window) entry. Eventually I found a reference to a punty with a link that redirects to the same page. I am no wiser! Old Aylesburian ( talk) 09:35, 7 June 2010 (UTC)
Me too. Unfortunately no time to research and fix right now. Thumbs up for anyone who gets around to it!
67.233.72.48 (
talk)
16:14, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
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Article has a lot of images already, so without an obvious place for this I'll leave it here for regular editors of the page to decide -- a featured picture on Commons. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 15:08, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
“Literary sources have traditionally given the birthplace of glassblowing as the Phoenician coast. However, on archaeological evidence it seems more likely that the invention took place in the Aleppo-Hama-Palmyra”
Source:
Conservation and Restoration of Glass - Page 101
The history section can be renewed.
Whatsupkarren (
talk)
09:57, 8 December 2023 (UTC)