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Would it not make more sense to rename this article Glasgow Central station? Our Phellap 21:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I have now nominated this page to be moved. Our Phellap 00:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved. — Nightstallion (?) 14:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Birmingham New Street station —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warofdreams ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I propose getting rid of some of the templates on this page. Apologies to the people who put so much work into them, but quite frankly they make this page look like crap.
We don't need the "Railway stations in Glasgow" template. The "Railway stations in Glasgow" cat already fulfills that purpose quite happily.
We also don't need the "West Coast Main Line" template. If people want to know about the West Coast Main Line" they can click on the West Coast Main Line link lying front and center in the intro paragraph.
Anyone opposed? AlistairMcMillan 02:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The information provided appears to be misleading. Up to the early 1980's all the ticket windows were on Gordon Street side of the building in a position equivalent to the current Travel Centre windows. As part of the refurbisment work, the local ticket office was moved to under the old destination board around 1981/2 - cannot recall the exact date, but it also coincided with the prototype new style tickets - preceding the APTIS system. I can not recall what happened to the the long distance tickets window at this point, however the old ticket office was then redeveloped into the current Travel Centre. Subsequently the ticket windows for the local trains moved to their current postion backing onto the the travel centre looking out onto the concourse.
I commuted through Glasgow Central regularly during this period, which also included the removal of the Ticket Barriers, removal of the Kiosk at the end of platforms 2/3 and associated shortening of platforms 2/3 and 4/5. Can anyone help with the dates of the various moves.
Pencefn 12:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I have reformatted the table this evening to reduce the width of the columns. However I do not think that the limited stop Argyle Line trains deserve a separate line. The WCML trains do not get separate lines for the trains which the first stop is Carlisle; the Neilston Trains for which the first stop is Muirend do not get a separate line.
I suggest the Peak Hour Argyle Line trains line is deleted.
Stewart 21:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
There are some exceptions to this where peak hour trains which serve certain stations are mentioned but only if they are on effectively a seperate line that has not been mentioned or if they are a seperate train company on that route. However the above does not apply so i will delete this. Simply south 22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Why is this article in the category Future public transportation? The category seems to be about planned projects or projects under construction, this doesn't seem to apply to Glasgow Central station Oxyman42 16:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Glasgow Central railway station →
Glasgow Central station — there is no need for the railawy to be in the title the most common name is Glasgow Central station —
Barry O'Brien
entretien 23:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Completing nomination -
Chris
cheese
whine
10:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Birmingham New Street.
147.197.251.136
14:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
If the logic of the support being given to this survey is followed through the article should be renamed as Central Station, that it what is commonly called in Glasgow. This is followed by Glasgow Central. Using all three words in the title is very rarely used locally. All a google search shows is the conventions other webmasters has used to avoid ambiguous names. Shall we follow this proposal with one that Paisley Gilmour Street railway station is renamed as Gilmour Street. This is the logically conclusion (extension) of this proposal. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) is in existence. One final thought for the time being - We could always go for the current fashion that the media have and called them all train stations. -- Stewart 07:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I've done a general search and really "station" is more common, despite mode of transport than railway station etc. However, if we started naming everything station, wouldn't this become more confusing? Simply south 19:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really overly interested in this, but hope that my input can help. On the one hand we have those who wish to see the title written as "<X> + railway station" as a disambiguator, because X can be more than one type of station when looking at the wider picture across the UK. On the other hand we have those who wish to change this page because it creates an article name which fails WP:COMMONNAME (i.e. everyone calls it "Glasgow Central", "Central Station", "Glasgow Central station" or just "Central").
So how about: Glasgow Central (railway station)? The reason I suggest that is because the wiki software explicitly recognises the text in parentheses as a disambiguator. For example, if I type [[Glasgow Central (UK Parliament constituency)|]] with nothing after the pipe, what appears is Glasgow Central. Also, although they don't demand it, both Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision) and Wikipedia:Disambiguation routinely use, and I would say implicitly recommend, parenthesising the disambiguator.
Bear in mind I came up with this based only on Glasgow Central. There may well be instances for other UK stations where that won't work. However, it's a possibility and seems to offer a simplification in future editing and wikilinking, and would bring Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) closer in line with more general WP guidelines. Hope this helps. -- DeLarge 11:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
There is evidently no desire to treat this particular railway station differently from all the others. A change to the naming convention may be desirable, but consensus should be reached on that before this article is moved. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. -- Stemonitis 11:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
move indent:I know the link does not link to the constituency the point I was making is that because there is another Glasgow Central they need to disambiguated hence station being added to the title it is the inclusion of railway I have a problem with as this is nethier the stations common name or formal title. -- Barryob Vigeur de dessus 14:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The comments about Central Low Level being closed due to tram competition are incorrect. Some stations on the former Glasgow Central Railway closed in the 1930s due to tram competition, notably Botanic Gardens. However Central Low Level closed in 1964 as part of the Beeching cuts. At this point it was worked by DMUs, which didn't prove as effective as the EMUs on the Glasgow District line (Queen St Low Level) at attracting customers. Having been worked by steam until the early 60s, the Central low level route was dark and grimy. Part of the 1979 reopening involved a massive amount of cleaning, and installing bright new surfaces to counteract the grime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.136.121.65 ( talk) 05:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Please see the discussion I have started at Talk:Glasgow Queen Street railway station#Usage 06/07 (for Queen Street and Central) regarding the 06/07 usage figures for Glasgow Queen Street railway station and also a recipricol effect to Glasgow Central. -- Stewart (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Some of the platforms will be renumbered at the end of December 2008. 11a becomes 12; 12 & 13 become 14 & 15; 14 & 15 (Low Level) become 16 & 17. The article will need to be amended when this comes into effect. – Signalhead < T > 22:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
So does the station now have 17 platforms in total? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.46.131 ( talk) 09:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah, excellent - 15 in operation now, 17 when the construction is finished. Thanks! I imagine the infobox will be updated once they are in use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.225.15 ( talk) 01:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Both this article and the Birmingham New Street article claimed that their respective stations were the busiest outside London. Both were right: the latest Network Rail figures show New Street to be slightly busier, the latest Office of Rail Regulation figures (which are less ridiculous now that they include PTE travelcard tickets) show Glasgow Central to be slightly busier. Having the two articles contradicting each other was clearly unacceptable though, so I've rewritten the leads for both to reflect this ambiguity in a way that I hope is WP:NPOV. JimmyGuano ( talk) 16:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No consensus to move. Black Kite ( talk) 20:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Glasgow Central station → Glasgow Central railway station – The age old debate. Glasgow Central station vs Glasgow Central railway station. Using "railway" station in the name helps to distinguish between the modes of transport. Glasgow Central is its name. All modes' stations are shortened to station by everyone. For UK stations, see wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations). Difficultly north ( talk) 14:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Comment I think just Glasgow Central is fine. Unreal7 ( talk) 23:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Comment This article's current title is anomalous, having been re-named contrary to the de facto naming convention without consensus. The outcome of this discussion has the potential to affect every railway station article, not just this one. A few relevant points to consider:
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Should this piece of info be listed on this article, I’m sure that this station is a category A station? If there is any reason why this info should not be on the article, could you please explain it to me as soon as possible? Thank you. Pablothepenguin ( talk) 22:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
When the station is viewed on Google Earth, it gives the appearance of two stations that were merged structurally. As I understand it, the LNER went south and the LMS went west. Did the two portions of the station merge early in the 20th century? Or later? Filling in the chronological gap might be an interesting project for this article. LFlagg ( talk) 02:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks so much. My neighbor grew up in and around Glasgow from 1932 to 1957 and got me interested. Glasgow Central for Dummies might make a good type of approach to this topic. LFlagg ( talk) 02:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I know there is another thread discussing this, but it was quite old so I thought I should bring it up again. Surely the title of the article should be "Glasgow Central railway station". Glasgow Central sees only National Rail trains serving it, and as per the normal naming conventions it should say Railway. Station on its own is for when multiple modes serve it. Bobster1001 ( talk) 17:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Silikonz 💬 05:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Glasgow Central station → Glasgow Central railway station – In accordance with naming convention guidelines, at WP:NCUKSTATIONS. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 21:09, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
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Would it not make more sense to rename this article Glasgow Central station? Our Phellap 21:49, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
I have now nominated this page to be moved. Our Phellap 00:43, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
Moved. — Nightstallion (?) 14:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
Please comment at Talk:Birmingham New Street station —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Warofdreams ( talk • contribs) 21:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I propose getting rid of some of the templates on this page. Apologies to the people who put so much work into them, but quite frankly they make this page look like crap.
We don't need the "Railway stations in Glasgow" template. The "Railway stations in Glasgow" cat already fulfills that purpose quite happily.
We also don't need the "West Coast Main Line" template. If people want to know about the West Coast Main Line" they can click on the West Coast Main Line link lying front and center in the intro paragraph.
Anyone opposed? AlistairMcMillan 02:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
The information provided appears to be misleading. Up to the early 1980's all the ticket windows were on Gordon Street side of the building in a position equivalent to the current Travel Centre windows. As part of the refurbisment work, the local ticket office was moved to under the old destination board around 1981/2 - cannot recall the exact date, but it also coincided with the prototype new style tickets - preceding the APTIS system. I can not recall what happened to the the long distance tickets window at this point, however the old ticket office was then redeveloped into the current Travel Centre. Subsequently the ticket windows for the local trains moved to their current postion backing onto the the travel centre looking out onto the concourse.
I commuted through Glasgow Central regularly during this period, which also included the removal of the Ticket Barriers, removal of the Kiosk at the end of platforms 2/3 and associated shortening of platforms 2/3 and 4/5. Can anyone help with the dates of the various moves.
Pencefn 12:06, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
I have reformatted the table this evening to reduce the width of the columns. However I do not think that the limited stop Argyle Line trains deserve a separate line. The WCML trains do not get separate lines for the trains which the first stop is Carlisle; the Neilston Trains for which the first stop is Muirend do not get a separate line.
I suggest the Peak Hour Argyle Line trains line is deleted.
Stewart 21:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
There are some exceptions to this where peak hour trains which serve certain stations are mentioned but only if they are on effectively a seperate line that has not been mentioned or if they are a seperate train company on that route. However the above does not apply so i will delete this. Simply south 22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
Why is this article in the category Future public transportation? The category seems to be about planned projects or projects under construction, this doesn't seem to apply to Glasgow Central station Oxyman42 16:52, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Glasgow Central railway station →
Glasgow Central station — there is no need for the railawy to be in the title the most common name is Glasgow Central station —
Barry O'Brien
entretien 23:50, 22 March 2007 (UTC) Completing nomination -
Chris
cheese
whine
10:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
Birmingham New Street.
147.197.251.136
14:07, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
If the logic of the support being given to this survey is followed through the article should be renamed as Central Station, that it what is commonly called in Glasgow. This is followed by Glasgow Central. Using all three words in the title is very rarely used locally. All a google search shows is the conventions other webmasters has used to avoid ambiguous names. Shall we follow this proposal with one that Paisley Gilmour Street railway station is renamed as Gilmour Street. This is the logically conclusion (extension) of this proposal. Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) is in existence. One final thought for the time being - We could always go for the current fashion that the media have and called them all train stations. -- Stewart 07:57, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I've done a general search and really "station" is more common, despite mode of transport than railway station etc. However, if we started naming everything station, wouldn't this become more confusing? Simply south 19:29, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really overly interested in this, but hope that my input can help. On the one hand we have those who wish to see the title written as "<X> + railway station" as a disambiguator, because X can be more than one type of station when looking at the wider picture across the UK. On the other hand we have those who wish to change this page because it creates an article name which fails WP:COMMONNAME (i.e. everyone calls it "Glasgow Central", "Central Station", "Glasgow Central station" or just "Central").
So how about: Glasgow Central (railway station)? The reason I suggest that is because the wiki software explicitly recognises the text in parentheses as a disambiguator. For example, if I type [[Glasgow Central (UK Parliament constituency)|]] with nothing after the pipe, what appears is Glasgow Central. Also, although they don't demand it, both Wikipedia:Naming conventions (precision) and Wikipedia:Disambiguation routinely use, and I would say implicitly recommend, parenthesising the disambiguator.
Bear in mind I came up with this based only on Glasgow Central. There may well be instances for other UK stations where that won't work. However, it's a possibility and seems to offer a simplification in future editing and wikilinking, and would bring Wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations) closer in line with more general WP guidelines. Hope this helps. -- DeLarge 11:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
There is evidently no desire to treat this particular railway station differently from all the others. A change to the naming convention may be desirable, but consensus should be reached on that before this article is moved. It was requested that this article be renamed but there was no consensus for it be moved. -- Stemonitis 11:39, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
move indent:I know the link does not link to the constituency the point I was making is that because there is another Glasgow Central they need to disambiguated hence station being added to the title it is the inclusion of railway I have a problem with as this is nethier the stations common name or formal title. -- Barryob Vigeur de dessus 14:30, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The comments about Central Low Level being closed due to tram competition are incorrect. Some stations on the former Glasgow Central Railway closed in the 1930s due to tram competition, notably Botanic Gardens. However Central Low Level closed in 1964 as part of the Beeching cuts. At this point it was worked by DMUs, which didn't prove as effective as the EMUs on the Glasgow District line (Queen St Low Level) at attracting customers. Having been worked by steam until the early 60s, the Central low level route was dark and grimy. Part of the 1979 reopening involved a massive amount of cleaning, and installing bright new surfaces to counteract the grime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.136.121.65 ( talk) 05:04, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Please see the discussion I have started at Talk:Glasgow Queen Street railway station#Usage 06/07 (for Queen Street and Central) regarding the 06/07 usage figures for Glasgow Queen Street railway station and also a recipricol effect to Glasgow Central. -- Stewart (talk) 21:35, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Some of the platforms will be renumbered at the end of December 2008. 11a becomes 12; 12 & 13 become 14 & 15; 14 & 15 (Low Level) become 16 & 17. The article will need to be amended when this comes into effect. – Signalhead < T > 22:45, 1 November 2008 (UTC)
So does the station now have 17 platforms in total? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.160.46.131 ( talk) 09:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
Ah, excellent - 15 in operation now, 17 when the construction is finished. Thanks! I imagine the infobox will be updated once they are in use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.106.225.15 ( talk) 01:28, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Both this article and the Birmingham New Street article claimed that their respective stations were the busiest outside London. Both were right: the latest Network Rail figures show New Street to be slightly busier, the latest Office of Rail Regulation figures (which are less ridiculous now that they include PTE travelcard tickets) show Glasgow Central to be slightly busier. Having the two articles contradicting each other was clearly unacceptable though, so I've rewritten the leads for both to reflect this ambiguity in a way that I hope is WP:NPOV. JimmyGuano ( talk) 16:35, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
The result of the proposal was No consensus to move. Black Kite ( talk) 20:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Glasgow Central station → Glasgow Central railway station – The age old debate. Glasgow Central station vs Glasgow Central railway station. Using "railway" station in the name helps to distinguish between the modes of transport. Glasgow Central is its name. All modes' stations are shortened to station by everyone. For UK stations, see wikipedia:Naming conventions (UK stations). Difficultly north ( talk) 14:59, 26 July 2012 (UTC)
Comment I think just Glasgow Central is fine. Unreal7 ( talk) 23:31, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Comment This article's current title is anomalous, having been re-named contrary to the de facto naming convention without consensus. The outcome of this discussion has the potential to affect every railway station article, not just this one. A few relevant points to consider:
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Should this piece of info be listed on this article, I’m sure that this station is a category A station? If there is any reason why this info should not be on the article, could you please explain it to me as soon as possible? Thank you. Pablothepenguin ( talk) 22:10, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
When the station is viewed on Google Earth, it gives the appearance of two stations that were merged structurally. As I understand it, the LNER went south and the LMS went west. Did the two portions of the station merge early in the 20th century? Or later? Filling in the chronological gap might be an interesting project for this article. LFlagg ( talk) 02:31, 3 April 2019 (UTC)
Thanks so much. My neighbor grew up in and around Glasgow from 1932 to 1957 and got me interested. Glasgow Central for Dummies might make a good type of approach to this topic. LFlagg ( talk) 02:43, 7 March 2020 (UTC)
I know there is another thread discussing this, but it was quite old so I thought I should bring it up again. Surely the title of the article should be "Glasgow Central railway station". Glasgow Central sees only National Rail trains serving it, and as per the normal naming conventions it should say Railway. Station on its own is for when multiple modes serve it. Bobster1001 ( talk) 17:29, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved. ( non-admin closure) Silikonz 💬 05:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Glasgow Central station → Glasgow Central railway station – In accordance with naming convention guidelines, at WP:NCUKSTATIONS. Mattdaviesfsic ( talk) 21:09, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
(Originally proposed by Bobster1001, seconded by myself, and thirded by G-13114...)