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Jakew: your reverts are inappropriate. You have not provided a reason for reverting the additional of relevant factual material about the glans penis.
Robert Blair 00:34, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The "longitudinal study" which is the (1988) New Zealand study by Fergusson et al., is silent about meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis. It may not be used to support a claim of a higher incidence of meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis in intact boys. See:
http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/fergusson/
Robert Blair 13:14, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
To be more precise, one cannot tell from the article whether the reported inflammation was balanitis, posthitis, balanoposthitis, meatitis, or some other condition. One cannot say with certainty that the uncircumcised boys had any meatitis at all.
The use of the Fergusson article to support such a claim will not stand up.
Robert Blair 01:28, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This is an inappropriate forum in which to promote circumcision. The foreskin does affect the glans penis, so a discussion of the effect of the foreskin on the glans penis is appropriate.
Robert Blair 04:34, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It should be obvious that without the protection of the foreskin that circumcised boys have a high risk of meatal stenosis (narrowing of the urethra). This is why doctors tell parents to change the diapers of their infants every hour to prevent the meatal area from coming into contact with urea.
Robert Blair, why do you insist on pushing your POV in this article?
As I have mentioned previously, it is really not appropriate to turn this article into a miniature version of medical analysis of circumcision, but you seem to insist upon including discussion of the proposed effects of circumcision on meatal problems. I eventually decided, to the detriment of Wikipedia I confess, to let you have it your own way.
I felt that it was inappropriate to include only one "thing that can go wrong with the glans, as related to circumcision", so I included a discussion of the protective effect of circumcision against balanitis. You then felt the need to censor this information, and downplay the risks posed by balanitis. I correct your downplaying (it is often, but not always easily treatable), and add an equivalent (and supported) comment about meatal problems. You censor this. You continue to pretend that Fergusson did not study meatitis (which they demonstrably did).
Don't you understand NPOV? I'm trying to compromise with you here, but you can't have every study opposing circ and none in favour! If you want to include anti-circ stuff about meatitis, then - ok, if you insist - but you can't then turn around and say it's inappropriate to talk about balanitis. It's called balance. - Jakew 23:12, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why on earth does the article about the glans penis begin with a definition of the "glans penis covered by foreskin and uncovered."(in bold) It sounds quite awkward and unneccesary to make this clarification which seems self-evident anyway as the very first phrase of the article. Of course the glans is the glans, covered or uncovered by foreskin. 71.224.118.11 12:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Imator has once removed this diagram and once reduced its size to the point of illegibility, both times saying that it was "off-topic". I don't agree -- the diagram clearly labels the glans penis at the bottom right, and shows it in context. But rather than continuing to argue through edit summaries, I recommend that we discuss the issue here on the talk page. -- Arcadian 12:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Why do User:CB001 prefer old ugly pictures ? You don't like newer one ? (by Béatrice)
I have to saythis whole thing is pretty ridiculous. Image:Glans.jpg is not only very artificial-looking, but of much lesser quality (blurry, low-resolution) than Image:GlansPenis.jpg. And even if (and I insist on if) it actually is User:Béatrice's own member, I ask: what difference does that make? The image is better looking in any case. Circeus 14:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I know this an old thread, but here goes. First up the assumption about the shape of the glans being a suction pump to remove a competitors sperm is probably not correct, the pumping action only works with face to face copulation. Face to face copulation is likely to be something relatively new and (I think) exclusive to humans, the preceding species to humans were more animal like and were likely to have persisted with copulation that was "rear entry/doggie style" as per most of the animal kingdom. The shape then becomes more important in providing pleasure to the female g spot located just inside the vagina's upper wall. This would also explain why males with small penises who can rub the female g spot have survived to produce other offspring with small penises as the pleasure they give is greater than a large male thrusting into a female's cervix.
I recently removed this image from the page. It showed an erect penis posted by a Wikipedian. My reason for doing so is not that I have an objection to such things being published on the internet as I am not in favour of censorship. However, I think that the image was not instructional or encyclopedic and I would query the motive of people who wish to publish images of their own erect penis on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not a site for exhibitionism, and should contain information that all people can access freely. I would not want to see a situation where parents feel unable to allow their children access to Wikipedia because they may encounter an inappropriate image. -- Vince 20:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Most of the edits to this article are people going back and forth trying to get the text to reflect "their" view of the topic of circumcision. I believe this is disruptive to the integrity of the article as a whole, and beyond the scope of the article. I believe that discussion of circumcision and which study supports what should be left to the Circumcision article or its offshoots. This article should be left to just a dicussion of the anatomical feature, what it's made of, what it does, etc.
I realize that you can't have a discussion of what it does or what it's for without acknowledging that it's different in circumcised males than in uncircumsised males. However, right now we have more text interpreting the findings of cirumcision studies than in the entire rest of the body of the article.
I propose pulling all circumcision debate out of the article. The only references to the topic should be the fact that the glans penis is uncovered by the foreskin in circumcised males, and covered by the foreskin in uncircumcised (or restored) males. Additionally, a short bit could be left in the anatomical details section pointing out that the characteristics of the glans is different in circumcised vs. uncircumcised males (dry vs. moist, etc.) and directing the reader to Circumcision for further info. That's it. Any further information in the article about "reduced disease this" and "reduced sensitivity that" is at best trying to present sides of a debate that's off topic here anyway, and at worst, a breeding ground for countless edit wars (like we've already seen here). Let's keep the edit war to as few locations as possible. -- adavidw 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Why does the image have to be of a sexually charged erect penis? Wouldn't it be more neutral or appropriate to show the glans penis in its natural un-erect state?-- Sonjaaa 04:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The lans in its natural, un-erect state wouldn't look very good on a detail photograph. Rather shapeless and wrinkly it would be... -- Imator 08:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it should show it's wrinkly normal state. Erect is too sexualized and inappropriate.--
Sonjaaa
22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Both erect and flacid states should be shown. Add information to wikipedia, not remove.
Christopher
03:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I find that the image currently being used is not appropriate for the purpose, the purpose of course is to show what the glans penis looks like, yet it has other body parts (leg testicles) in the picture, so I am replacing that picture with a more suitable one. Nikon307 16:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Wait, if my version was better? why was it replaced with the lower quality photo, which doesn't even have a copyright tag? I'm not going to add it back (in fear of getting in trouble or something) but if someone agrees, please replace it with this one which is in high quality, is uncircumcised (like 90% of the world population), and has a copyright tag. image:Penisfrenulum.jpg Thanks. Nikon307 23:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Because no one responded, I'm going to place image:Penisfrenulum.jpg in place of the other image. Respond to this statement if you wish to revert it to the other image, thanks. Nikon307 23:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I just don't get: why replace an image when you can simply ADD another one to the article...? Wouldn't it make the article more resourcefull and complete? And FYI, estimates of the proportion of males that are circumcised worldwide vary from one sixth (12.5%) to one third (33.3%). Thank you. lopiadx 05:52, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
While I know what you're trying to say, the reason I removed it was because it lacked a copyright tag, so it had to be put up as a candidate for deletion, and to do so it has to be removed from the article. Same goes for the picture which was just posted, if it doesn't get a tag, it will be deleted in 7 days, so the uploader should probably fix that. I'm not out to remove content from wikipedia, but to contribute to wikipedia. So, if the uploader doesn't fix the problem I'll replace it before the image is deleted and the article is without a picture. Nikon307 05:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Very well. Changes made. lopiadx 08:23, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
The current layout of the page is very awkward, because the two images of real penises (penisfrenulum.jpg and erectpenis.jpg) are off-setting the main body of the text. Judging from the discussion above, it also seems that such images are deemed somewhat inappropriate by some wikipedians. For these reasons, I would recommend that we move these two images into the Additional Images section. The diagram that is currently at the top is more than enough for the article intro. Once the images are moved, not only would they be less "in-your-face", but the article would benefit from a much more clean-cut layout. What does everyone else think of my suggestion? Please voice your opinion. Homologeo 03:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia is NOT censored for minors, but I agree that at least the second image should be moved, as it includes much more than it should. This article is about the glans, not about the penis or the testicles. So I do sympathize with you that minors and others might not want a picture of a glans "in there face" yet they should expect a picture of a glans if that's what they type in. Though the typist who is visiting this page should see what they're looking for, they shouldn't see things which are irrelevant because they would obviously have no relevance in the page. Nikon307 21:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the page layout requires attention and needs to be more balanced. I recommend that the images be moved to the Additional Images section. The second image shows the scale of the glans in relation to rest of the genitals and are more defined and anatomically more pronounced in this state. As for the picture showing other parts of the genital area, the picture is consistent with the sectioned diagram at the top of the article which shows the whole genital area. BigBoris 20:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
DavidShankBone has made this statement on the history of the article about my picture "There really isn't a need for a "lateral view" and many of your 20 edits seem designed to get your penis on Wikipedia - it's also just not a particularly good photo, and huge nest of hair is irrelevan(t)". Sould the picture of my glans be reinstated? Please discuss.... BigBoris 10:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a close up side view of Penis Glans to demonstrate the structure in more detail BigBoris 06:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Nandesukahas removed my image, side view of Penis Glans, citing "Poor quality image" please discuss before removing BigBoris 09:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Now, I was just browsing the article and decided to open the discussion, and I read how DavidShankbone said that the picture of the uncircumcised penis was "glistening wet" I was just going to point out, that it is an uncircumcised penis, so, I assume that it is because as most people know, uncircumcised penis's hold moisture in the foreskin. I'm wasn't going to respond to any of this, and I'm pretty new to wikipedia, but I just wanted to make a point after I read what davidshankbone had to say. Reidhonor 02:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The glans is only pressure sensitive just like the homologous structure in females being the pressure sensitive clitoris. Direct rubbing of the pressure sensitive organs results in pain. Nature intended an erogenous sheath of skin that covers the pressure sensitive organ. This skin is the foreskin in males and the clitoral hood in females. During masturbation or intercourse the foreskin rubs across the glans in males and the clitoral hood rubs against the clitoris in females resulting in maximum pleasure. areseepee 9 Aug 2007
The above examples of glans penis have been used on the page at various times. It appears that the consensus is to use only two of the photographs. Which two?
One photo is sufficient, not two. I think A is best. The other two are not acceptable to me at all. -- Blue Tie 15:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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I think I have a better picture...of mine. Where should I send it to? It is better than all 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.235.66.18 ( talk) 21:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Not sure there was a good consensus. Here are the results
David Shankbone: Order: A,B C. David is the photographer of B so perhaps biased
DuncanHill. Order: C, A, B
Jakew: Order: A, C B
BlueTie: A only.
Nandesuka: Order: C A B
Dread Pirate Westley: Order: A, C, B
CloudSurfer: Apparent Order: C, A, B
PMC: Order: A, C, B
Option | Rank 1 | Rank 2 | Rank 3 |
---|---|---|---|
A | 5 | 3 | 0 |
B | 0 | 1 | 6 |
C | 3 | 3 | 1 |
Statistically A stochastically dominates C which stochastically dominates B
Special comments were also added:
I think I got it right. -- Blue Tie 02:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The term 'bell end' does not refer to the glans. 'Bell' refers to glans whilst 'bell end' refers to the gathering a skin at the tip which may or may not be present on an uncircumcised penis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robin.Anderson ( talk • contribs).
The statement about men who have been circumcised is technically inaccurate. A restored foreskin can indeed cover the glans penis. DanP 00:55, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The plural of corpus is not corpora. It is corpores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.168.250 ( talk) 01:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Notable References follow (In the PDF files search semen displacement)
As you can see I have provided more than enough materials directly relating to the funtion of the glans as a semen displacement device. I knew it was true, I just needed respectable sources, from say Doctors, major universities, ect. M jurrens 21:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Seems legit; maybe it needs to be added with clarification. A lot of species have sperm displacement devices/practices as an evolutionary development. Some species also have anti-sperm-displacement mechanisms—for instance, sealing the female's reproductive passageway so that the sperm is trapped in there and other males cannot remove it or replace it with their own sperm. (BTW, could you title you links in the future? I did it for you this time.)-- 71.105.214.225 ( talk) 01:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
"Szabo and Short found that the glans of the circumcised penis does not develop a thicker keratinization layer.[7] Several studies have suggested that the glans is equally sensitive in circumcised and uncircumcised males"...there is PLENTY of evidence to the contrary. While I do feel that a worthy opposing study has been added to the article since I last viewed it, I do believe (with well reason to) that the article still contains a rabidly-pro circumcision bias, as there are countless studies that show (the obvious fact) that the foreskin (the male prepuce) is one of the main centers of sexual pleasure in males, and that the glans dries out and desinsitizes just as the homologous structure in females (the clitoral hood and glans) does when the female perpuce has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.28.43.245 ( talk • contribs)
It is inappropriate to have the section about how circumcision does not lead to keratinization. While it may not happen to all circumcised men, it most definitely does to some men. A swift internet search will bring up dozens and dozens links that have men asking questions about what they can do to stop or reverse the process of keritanization or cracking skin on the area exposed by circumcision, whether with creams, lotions, vitamin E, foreskin restoration, etc. You can find images of circumcised penises that have a clear line of keratinization from the circumcision scar/line to the tip of the penis. Keratinization can also happen in uncircumcised men with short foreskins, on the area left permanently exposed by the too-short foreskin.
Clearly, circumcision is involved with keritanization of the glans penis in *some* men. "...the glans of the circumcised penis does not develop a thicker keratinization layer" is therefore not true and unforgivably biased, written as though it is a universal absolute.
I have tried to remove this biased part about keratinization and it was restored within seconds. The reference linked to it is about circumcision and HIV, not keratinization or long-term effects of circumcision.
I understand that there are issues with biased studies on BOTH sides of this controversial subject. I believe it is completely unethical to have ANY potentially biased info on this article, it needs to be pristinely neutral.
Will you remove or at least rephrase the sentence to reflect what the study actually says? Or simply quote the study directly, that shouldn't be too difficult. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duchovnik ( talk • contribs) 12:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I reverted a recent by 67.167.225.94, which deleted properly sourced material for dubious reasons. Two reasons were given:
The word intact indicates something that has not been damaged. Those who are using the word "uncircumcised" to describe a normal penis that has not been mutilated are trying to normalize circumcision, in my opinion. I have tried to correct this and other pages, and have been accused of an "edit war." I hope that people will read this, and know the truth. Intact should be used instead of uncircumcised. Even those men who undergo foreskin restoration rarely use the word uncircumcised, instead they use restored. Women who haven't had a mastectomy are not called "unmastectomised." We need correct terminology. I AM BEING CENSORED. I AM ENDING MY FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF WIKIPEDIA SINCE THEY ALLOW THIS. "Wikipedia is not censored" I AM BEING CENSORED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingrivera ( talk • contribs)
Absolutely not, we are not talking about animals here. We are talking about intact men! I would like to cite Intact America website http://www.intactamerica.org An intact penis is one that has not been mutilated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingrivera ( talk • contribs)
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Jakew: your reverts are inappropriate. You have not provided a reason for reverting the additional of relevant factual material about the glans penis.
Robert Blair 00:34, 16 Feb 2005 (UTC)
The "longitudinal study" which is the (1988) New Zealand study by Fergusson et al., is silent about meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis. It may not be used to support a claim of a higher incidence of meatitis, meatal ulceration, and meatal stenosis in intact boys. See:
http://www.cirp.org/library/complications/fergusson/
Robert Blair 13:14, 17 Feb 2005 (UTC)
To be more precise, one cannot tell from the article whether the reported inflammation was balanitis, posthitis, balanoposthitis, meatitis, or some other condition. One cannot say with certainty that the uncircumcised boys had any meatitis at all.
The use of the Fergusson article to support such a claim will not stand up.
Robert Blair 01:28, 18 Feb 2005 (UTC)
This is an inappropriate forum in which to promote circumcision. The foreskin does affect the glans penis, so a discussion of the effect of the foreskin on the glans penis is appropriate.
Robert Blair 04:34, 19 Feb 2005 (UTC)
It should be obvious that without the protection of the foreskin that circumcised boys have a high risk of meatal stenosis (narrowing of the urethra). This is why doctors tell parents to change the diapers of their infants every hour to prevent the meatal area from coming into contact with urea.
Robert Blair, why do you insist on pushing your POV in this article?
As I have mentioned previously, it is really not appropriate to turn this article into a miniature version of medical analysis of circumcision, but you seem to insist upon including discussion of the proposed effects of circumcision on meatal problems. I eventually decided, to the detriment of Wikipedia I confess, to let you have it your own way.
I felt that it was inappropriate to include only one "thing that can go wrong with the glans, as related to circumcision", so I included a discussion of the protective effect of circumcision against balanitis. You then felt the need to censor this information, and downplay the risks posed by balanitis. I correct your downplaying (it is often, but not always easily treatable), and add an equivalent (and supported) comment about meatal problems. You censor this. You continue to pretend that Fergusson did not study meatitis (which they demonstrably did).
Don't you understand NPOV? I'm trying to compromise with you here, but you can't have every study opposing circ and none in favour! If you want to include anti-circ stuff about meatitis, then - ok, if you insist - but you can't then turn around and say it's inappropriate to talk about balanitis. It's called balance. - Jakew 23:12, 20 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Why on earth does the article about the glans penis begin with a definition of the "glans penis covered by foreskin and uncovered."(in bold) It sounds quite awkward and unneccesary to make this clarification which seems self-evident anyway as the very first phrase of the article. Of course the glans is the glans, covered or uncovered by foreskin. 71.224.118.11 12:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Imator has once removed this diagram and once reduced its size to the point of illegibility, both times saying that it was "off-topic". I don't agree -- the diagram clearly labels the glans penis at the bottom right, and shows it in context. But rather than continuing to argue through edit summaries, I recommend that we discuss the issue here on the talk page. -- Arcadian 12:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Why do User:CB001 prefer old ugly pictures ? You don't like newer one ? (by Béatrice)
I have to saythis whole thing is pretty ridiculous. Image:Glans.jpg is not only very artificial-looking, but of much lesser quality (blurry, low-resolution) than Image:GlansPenis.jpg. And even if (and I insist on if) it actually is User:Béatrice's own member, I ask: what difference does that make? The image is better looking in any case. Circeus 14:28, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
I know this an old thread, but here goes. First up the assumption about the shape of the glans being a suction pump to remove a competitors sperm is probably not correct, the pumping action only works with face to face copulation. Face to face copulation is likely to be something relatively new and (I think) exclusive to humans, the preceding species to humans were more animal like and were likely to have persisted with copulation that was "rear entry/doggie style" as per most of the animal kingdom. The shape then becomes more important in providing pleasure to the female g spot located just inside the vagina's upper wall. This would also explain why males with small penises who can rub the female g spot have survived to produce other offspring with small penises as the pleasure they give is greater than a large male thrusting into a female's cervix.
I recently removed this image from the page. It showed an erect penis posted by a Wikipedian. My reason for doing so is not that I have an objection to such things being published on the internet as I am not in favour of censorship. However, I think that the image was not instructional or encyclopedic and I would query the motive of people who wish to publish images of their own erect penis on Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, not a site for exhibitionism, and should contain information that all people can access freely. I would not want to see a situation where parents feel unable to allow their children access to Wikipedia because they may encounter an inappropriate image. -- Vince 20:01, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
Most of the edits to this article are people going back and forth trying to get the text to reflect "their" view of the topic of circumcision. I believe this is disruptive to the integrity of the article as a whole, and beyond the scope of the article. I believe that discussion of circumcision and which study supports what should be left to the Circumcision article or its offshoots. This article should be left to just a dicussion of the anatomical feature, what it's made of, what it does, etc.
I realize that you can't have a discussion of what it does or what it's for without acknowledging that it's different in circumcised males than in uncircumsised males. However, right now we have more text interpreting the findings of cirumcision studies than in the entire rest of the body of the article.
I propose pulling all circumcision debate out of the article. The only references to the topic should be the fact that the glans penis is uncovered by the foreskin in circumcised males, and covered by the foreskin in uncircumcised (or restored) males. Additionally, a short bit could be left in the anatomical details section pointing out that the characteristics of the glans is different in circumcised vs. uncircumcised males (dry vs. moist, etc.) and directing the reader to Circumcision for further info. That's it. Any further information in the article about "reduced disease this" and "reduced sensitivity that" is at best trying to present sides of a debate that's off topic here anyway, and at worst, a breeding ground for countless edit wars (like we've already seen here). Let's keep the edit war to as few locations as possible. -- adavidw 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Why does the image have to be of a sexually charged erect penis? Wouldn't it be more neutral or appropriate to show the glans penis in its natural un-erect state?-- Sonjaaa 04:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
The lans in its natural, un-erect state wouldn't look very good on a detail photograph. Rather shapeless and wrinkly it would be... -- Imator 08:13, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it should show it's wrinkly normal state. Erect is too sexualized and inappropriate.--
Sonjaaa
22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
Both erect and flacid states should be shown. Add information to wikipedia, not remove.
Christopher
03:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
I find that the image currently being used is not appropriate for the purpose, the purpose of course is to show what the glans penis looks like, yet it has other body parts (leg testicles) in the picture, so I am replacing that picture with a more suitable one. Nikon307 16:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
Wait, if my version was better? why was it replaced with the lower quality photo, which doesn't even have a copyright tag? I'm not going to add it back (in fear of getting in trouble or something) but if someone agrees, please replace it with this one which is in high quality, is uncircumcised (like 90% of the world population), and has a copyright tag. image:Penisfrenulum.jpg Thanks. Nikon307 23:28, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
Because no one responded, I'm going to place image:Penisfrenulum.jpg in place of the other image. Respond to this statement if you wish to revert it to the other image, thanks. Nikon307 23:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
I just don't get: why replace an image when you can simply ADD another one to the article...? Wouldn't it make the article more resourcefull and complete? And FYI, estimates of the proportion of males that are circumcised worldwide vary from one sixth (12.5%) to one third (33.3%). Thank you. lopiadx 05:52, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
While I know what you're trying to say, the reason I removed it was because it lacked a copyright tag, so it had to be put up as a candidate for deletion, and to do so it has to be removed from the article. Same goes for the picture which was just posted, if it doesn't get a tag, it will be deleted in 7 days, so the uploader should probably fix that. I'm not out to remove content from wikipedia, but to contribute to wikipedia. So, if the uploader doesn't fix the problem I'll replace it before the image is deleted and the article is without a picture. Nikon307 05:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
Very well. Changes made. lopiadx 08:23, 01 June 2007 (UTC)
The current layout of the page is very awkward, because the two images of real penises (penisfrenulum.jpg and erectpenis.jpg) are off-setting the main body of the text. Judging from the discussion above, it also seems that such images are deemed somewhat inappropriate by some wikipedians. For these reasons, I would recommend that we move these two images into the Additional Images section. The diagram that is currently at the top is more than enough for the article intro. Once the images are moved, not only would they be less "in-your-face", but the article would benefit from a much more clean-cut layout. What does everyone else think of my suggestion? Please voice your opinion. Homologeo 03:59, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
Well, Wikipedia is NOT censored for minors, but I agree that at least the second image should be moved, as it includes much more than it should. This article is about the glans, not about the penis or the testicles. So I do sympathize with you that minors and others might not want a picture of a glans "in there face" yet they should expect a picture of a glans if that's what they type in. Though the typist who is visiting this page should see what they're looking for, they shouldn't see things which are irrelevant because they would obviously have no relevance in the page. Nikon307 21:05, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
I agree that the page layout requires attention and needs to be more balanced. I recommend that the images be moved to the Additional Images section. The second image shows the scale of the glans in relation to rest of the genitals and are more defined and anatomically more pronounced in this state. As for the picture showing other parts of the genital area, the picture is consistent with the sectioned diagram at the top of the article which shows the whole genital area. BigBoris 20:49, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
DavidShankBone has made this statement on the history of the article about my picture "There really isn't a need for a "lateral view" and many of your 20 edits seem designed to get your penis on Wikipedia - it's also just not a particularly good photo, and huge nest of hair is irrelevan(t)". Sould the picture of my glans be reinstated? Please discuss.... BigBoris 10:58, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
I have added a close up side view of Penis Glans to demonstrate the structure in more detail BigBoris 06:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
Nandesukahas removed my image, side view of Penis Glans, citing "Poor quality image" please discuss before removing BigBoris 09:44, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
Now, I was just browsing the article and decided to open the discussion, and I read how DavidShankbone said that the picture of the uncircumcised penis was "glistening wet" I was just going to point out, that it is an uncircumcised penis, so, I assume that it is because as most people know, uncircumcised penis's hold moisture in the foreskin. I'm wasn't going to respond to any of this, and I'm pretty new to wikipedia, but I just wanted to make a point after I read what davidshankbone had to say. Reidhonor 02:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
The glans is only pressure sensitive just like the homologous structure in females being the pressure sensitive clitoris. Direct rubbing of the pressure sensitive organs results in pain. Nature intended an erogenous sheath of skin that covers the pressure sensitive organ. This skin is the foreskin in males and the clitoral hood in females. During masturbation or intercourse the foreskin rubs across the glans in males and the clitoral hood rubs against the clitoris in females resulting in maximum pleasure. areseepee 9 Aug 2007
The above examples of glans penis have been used on the page at various times. It appears that the consensus is to use only two of the photographs. Which two?
One photo is sufficient, not two. I think A is best. The other two are not acceptable to me at all. -- Blue Tie 15:44, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
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I think I have a better picture...of mine. Where should I send it to? It is better than all 3. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.235.66.18 ( talk) 21:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
Not sure there was a good consensus. Here are the results
David Shankbone: Order: A,B C. David is the photographer of B so perhaps biased
DuncanHill. Order: C, A, B
Jakew: Order: A, C B
BlueTie: A only.
Nandesuka: Order: C A B
Dread Pirate Westley: Order: A, C, B
CloudSurfer: Apparent Order: C, A, B
PMC: Order: A, C, B
Option | Rank 1 | Rank 2 | Rank 3 |
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A | 5 | 3 | 0 |
B | 0 | 1 | 6 |
C | 3 | 3 | 1 |
Statistically A stochastically dominates C which stochastically dominates B
Special comments were also added:
I think I got it right. -- Blue Tie 02:31, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
The term 'bell end' does not refer to the glans. 'Bell' refers to glans whilst 'bell end' refers to the gathering a skin at the tip which may or may not be present on an uncircumcised penis. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Robin.Anderson ( talk • contribs).
The statement about men who have been circumcised is technically inaccurate. A restored foreskin can indeed cover the glans penis. DanP 00:55, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)
The plural of corpus is not corpora. It is corpores. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.160.168.250 ( talk) 01:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)
Notable References follow (In the PDF files search semen displacement)
As you can see I have provided more than enough materials directly relating to the funtion of the glans as a semen displacement device. I knew it was true, I just needed respectable sources, from say Doctors, major universities, ect. M jurrens 21:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Seems legit; maybe it needs to be added with clarification. A lot of species have sperm displacement devices/practices as an evolutionary development. Some species also have anti-sperm-displacement mechanisms—for instance, sealing the female's reproductive passageway so that the sperm is trapped in there and other males cannot remove it or replace it with their own sperm. (BTW, could you title you links in the future? I did it for you this time.)-- 71.105.214.225 ( talk) 01:14, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
"Szabo and Short found that the glans of the circumcised penis does not develop a thicker keratinization layer.[7] Several studies have suggested that the glans is equally sensitive in circumcised and uncircumcised males"...there is PLENTY of evidence to the contrary. While I do feel that a worthy opposing study has been added to the article since I last viewed it, I do believe (with well reason to) that the article still contains a rabidly-pro circumcision bias, as there are countless studies that show (the obvious fact) that the foreskin (the male prepuce) is one of the main centers of sexual pleasure in males, and that the glans dries out and desinsitizes just as the homologous structure in females (the clitoral hood and glans) does when the female perpuce has been removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.28.43.245 ( talk • contribs)
It is inappropriate to have the section about how circumcision does not lead to keratinization. While it may not happen to all circumcised men, it most definitely does to some men. A swift internet search will bring up dozens and dozens links that have men asking questions about what they can do to stop or reverse the process of keritanization or cracking skin on the area exposed by circumcision, whether with creams, lotions, vitamin E, foreskin restoration, etc. You can find images of circumcised penises that have a clear line of keratinization from the circumcision scar/line to the tip of the penis. Keratinization can also happen in uncircumcised men with short foreskins, on the area left permanently exposed by the too-short foreskin.
Clearly, circumcision is involved with keritanization of the glans penis in *some* men. "...the glans of the circumcised penis does not develop a thicker keratinization layer" is therefore not true and unforgivably biased, written as though it is a universal absolute.
I have tried to remove this biased part about keratinization and it was restored within seconds. The reference linked to it is about circumcision and HIV, not keratinization or long-term effects of circumcision.
I understand that there are issues with biased studies on BOTH sides of this controversial subject. I believe it is completely unethical to have ANY potentially biased info on this article, it needs to be pristinely neutral.
Will you remove or at least rephrase the sentence to reflect what the study actually says? Or simply quote the study directly, that shouldn't be too difficult. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Duchovnik ( talk • contribs) 12:39, 4 February 2011 (UTC)
I reverted a recent by 67.167.225.94, which deleted properly sourced material for dubious reasons. Two reasons were given:
The word intact indicates something that has not been damaged. Those who are using the word "uncircumcised" to describe a normal penis that has not been mutilated are trying to normalize circumcision, in my opinion. I have tried to correct this and other pages, and have been accused of an "edit war." I hope that people will read this, and know the truth. Intact should be used instead of uncircumcised. Even those men who undergo foreskin restoration rarely use the word uncircumcised, instead they use restored. Women who haven't had a mastectomy are not called "unmastectomised." We need correct terminology. I AM BEING CENSORED. I AM ENDING MY FINANCIAL SUPPORT OF WIKIPEDIA SINCE THEY ALLOW THIS. "Wikipedia is not censored" I AM BEING CENSORED. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingrivera ( talk • contribs)
Absolutely not, we are not talking about animals here. We are talking about intact men! I would like to cite Intact America website http://www.intactamerica.org An intact penis is one that has not been mutilated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kingrivera ( talk • contribs)