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The article states that Girl Scout redirects here. This implies that girls Scout is just alternative name. In the UK, at least, this is not true: a girl Scout is a female member of a Scout group, separate from the Girl Guides movement. Bazza 09:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully is my edit more clear? A Girl Scout can also be a female Boy Scout. Sounds funny, but can you live with it? -- Egel Reaction? 11:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Such info goes in association-specific articles, not here (per project agreement), if you are knowledgeable in an area, please move this info...
The Guides are split up into age groups.
Senior Section 14-26.
Senior Section Awards and Qualifications
This information has now been moved to the Girlguiding UK page. There's a lot of work still to do to get it into shape on that page and all help is welcome. Kingbird 16:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Canada is one of the many countries that take part in Girl Guides. In French, it is called Guides du Canada. In Canada, the levels of Guiding are:
Sparks: Sparks are the first level of Guiding for girls ages 5-6. The correct uniform is: pink shorts/leggings/sweatpants, and a pink t-shirt/sweatshirt. A pink pinny for badges is also part of the uniform. Every level of Guiding has a special promise recited at meetings. The Spark's promise is: I promise to share and be a friend. The Sparks now have their own program book and badges, like the Brownies, Guides and Pathfinders program.
Brownies: Brownies are the second level for girls ages 7-8. They wear orange shirts/t-shirts, blue pants/shorts/skirts, and white ties with orange leaves. A navy blue badge sash is worn across the right shoulder. The Brownie promise is: I promise to be true to myself, my god/faith, and Canada. I will help other people and keep the Brownie law.
Guides: Guides are the third level for girls ages 9-11. They wear pale blue shirts/t-shirts, navy pants/shorts, and white ties with blue leaves. The navy blue badge sash is also worn. The promise is similar to the brownie promise. It is: I promise to do my best, to be true to myself, my god/faith, and Canada. I will help others and respect the guiding law.
Pathfinders: Considered to be the last juvenile level, Pathfinders are the next level, for girls 12-14. They wear green and white t-shirts/white long sleeved shirts, navy pants/shorts, and white ties with green leaves, and a navy badge sash is worn. The Pathfinder promise is the same as the Guides' promise. Before, the Pathfinder program was mostly bookwork and discussions, but now, there is a new program that has been made of the girls' suggestions.
Senior Branches: Here, the program branches out into three differant programs, Rangers, Cadets, and Junior Leaders. Each branch has its own colour, red for Rangers, yellow for Cadets and navy for Junior Leaders. Senior Branches often wear the same uniform as the adult leaders, although a red Senior Branches t-shirt is now available. The Senior Branches are treated as junior adults because they are considered to be future Guide leaders. Their promise is the same as the Guides and Pathfinders.
Further details and history of the Girl Guides can be found in the article on Scouting.
moved by Rlevse Rlevse 20:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the norm for this artical, English or American, because program is spelt programme, and I am not familar with English spellings to an extent that I can edit with it. Darth griz 9 8 01:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
This article, and its relationship with Scouting, Boy Scout are unclear. I get the impression that there is a thought by some authors that the terminology used world-wide is the same. It is not. This article starts by saying that Girl Guide and Girl Scout are synonymous. That may be true in some parts of the world, but not all. In the UK, a Girl Guide is a member of the Girls Guides movement, whereas a girl Scout (with a small G) is a female member of the Scouting movement. (Likewise, there are no Boy Scouts, only boy Scouts). I appreciate that this is different in other parts of the world. Bazza 13:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Could one of the experts here please go through and disambiguate the links to Girl Guides. Thanks a million! (Or 245 -- which is the number of links the the page ;-). Ewlyahoocom 06:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
What all is needed for GA? I saw the stuff on the taskforce page and can't find where it says what we have left to do with it. Darth griz 98 20:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the use of the word "troop" in the second paragraph of the article. My understanding is that there in no one word that is used worldwide for those local groups of Guides and Girl Scouts. There are several words, different ones more common in different places. So I'd prefer it if troop isn't the one we used at the start of the article. Local group is the phrase I would use, but I want to know what other people think. Kingbird 19:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
ANON IP 88.108.95.228...four different editors have reverted you. If you can't work this out here on the talk page, you will get blocked for disruption and/or WP:3RR violation. I'm posting this on the article page, Girl Guide and Girl Scout's talk page and on your talk page. Sumoeagle179 20:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I have been watching this edit war - and find it amusing! I actually would agree with the Anon Editors contribution reference the title article part. There is inconsistency with the article headers on the Boy Scout and Girl Scout pages. The Boy scout page mentions 'for girl troops see Girl Scout' whereas the Girl Scout page has no reference. I think the annonymous editors contributions were in good taste and respect for the article. How can you say he/she has caused disruption? -- Gothgirlangel1981 21:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I am going to try to balance this! For everyone's sake! I have also noticed the inconsistencies on the Girl and Boy Scout pages. I am also a girl - rather than a boy so my opinions should count. The fact is by the look of things, their is a gender-bias on the article - and all the anon editor seems to be doing is balance it and refer to as many sub-links as possible. He/she may have caused problems with some other articles, as appears to be the case - but they seem to have good intentions and heart on these edits. --Gothgirlangel1981 21:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
As I said on my talk page - maybe the Anon user is new - give them time to settle in. -- Gothgirlangel1981 21:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that Gothgirlangel1981 and the anon editor have a misunderstanding. They both describe the section as a header section. It is not. It is a disambiguation section to lead people who came here looking for something else to get to the right place. This article is for girls in WAGGGS organisations which are mostly all girl organisations. The disambiguation page is to send the reader to the article that is about girls in WOSM organisations which can be mixed boys and girls. There really is no need to send people to the article on boys as they are unlikely to get to the Girl Guide and Girl Scout article looking for an article about boys. There is a lack of balance precisely because WAGGGS organisations rarely accept boys, but very many WOSM organisations accept girls. A disambiguation section is not a "see also" section and it does not have to be balanced. It has to help people who need help to get to the right article. However, I see no problem with the disambiguation section now and note that the article has been protected to avoid a revert war. If there is a lack of cross references, that should be addressed in the article, not in the disambiguation section. Make suggestions here and an admin may add them to the article. -- Bduke 23:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
A small list to start a section about co-ed guides:
Country | Member organization | Membership status | Membership (from 2006 or most recent) | Year Guiding organization joined WAGGGS | Year Guiding was introduced | Admits girls/boys |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Argentina | Asociación Guías Argentinas | full | 3,251 | 1958 | 1915 | both |
Bahamas | The Bahamas Girl Guides Association | full | 2,732 | 1975 | 1915 | both? (no website) |
Belgium | Guides Catholiques de Belgique | full (via GSB) | about 23,000 | 1928 | 1915/1956 | both 1979 |
Brazil | Federação de Bandeirantes do Brasil | full | 4,454 | 1930 | 1919 | both |
Cyprus | Girl Guides Association of Cyprus | full | 2,763 | 1962 | 1912 | both |
Estonia | Eesti Gaidide Liit | full | 776 | 1928/1993 | 1919 | both? |
Germany | Pfadfinderinnenschaft Sankt Georg | full (via RDP) | about 10,000 | 1950 | 1931/1947 | both (only regional) |
Greece | Soma Hellinidon Odigon | full | 14,622 | 1933 | 1932 | both |
Honduras | Asociación Nacional de Muchachas Guías de Honduras | full | 5,484 | 1981 | 1953 | both? (no website) |
Paraguay | Asociación Guías Scouts del Paraguay | full | 329 | 1966 | 1923 | both |
Peru | Asociación Nacional de Guías Scouts del Perú | full | 5,500 | 1960 | 1916 | both |
Romania | Asociaţia Ghidelor şi Ghizilor din România | full | 627 | 1993 | 1928 | both |
Slovenia | Združenje slovenskih katoliških skavtinj in skavtov | full | 4,173 | 1928/1996 | 1922 | both (not realy a guide organisation) |
Spain | Federacion Española de Guidismo | full (via CEGE) | about 1,000 | 1969 | 1948/1984 | both |
Uruguay | Asociación Guías Scout del Uruguay | associate | 71 | 1966 | 1924 | both? (no website) |
Hong Kong: only 4-6 is co-ed
-- Egel Reaction? 10:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Jamaica has a website here. They don't mention accepting boys at any level. The WAGGGS website entry for this association doesn't specify "admits boys" either way. Kingbird 16:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Since the page has been locked for editing - I gather there's a war going on? - someone who can ought to correct the link for the "Khyber Guides." Based on my research I think this has to be a reference to the Corps of Guides (British India). —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCGC ( talk • contribs) 00:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Here's what the Girl Guides article looked like before I redirected it here just now. I think most of the info from there is already here, but I'm providing this link in case I'm wrong. [4] -- Allen 01:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
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Propose merge: both article seem to be about the same idea of Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting as a movement. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I dont know if here is the right place to ask a quedtion of not, by the way, if there is anyone who knows something about the photo I would be pleased if s/he tell me about the girl that is looking directly to the camera, her name and E-mail or anything else. here is my E-mail: vandida2000@yahoo.com Thankyou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.115.16.209 ( talk) 20:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No clear consensus to move. Needs some discussion at the project level first. Mike Cline ( talk) 23:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
relisted - Mike Cline ( talk) 21:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC) – This naming has been a mess for a while, and this seems like a simple and substantial improvement. This article is currently named for the movement, but is about the individual section called "Girl Guides" or "Girl Scouts". The page on the movement is currently named for this the individual members, despite the movement actually being called "Girl Guiding". I'm also open to the current Girl Guides page being called Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting, since the movement goes by "Girl Scouting" in some regions, but I really do think it is too confusing to have the current situation where the names are basically reversed. 86.163.1.168 ( talk) 14:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC) Oops, got logged out. That was me. GirlGuider1910 ( talk) 14:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
There's really no reason for Girl Guides to be a separate article. It duplicates much of the information here and there seems to be no clear dividing line. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
No. This article is about the section for girls between 11 and 14. There are other articles for the other sections at Rainbow (Girl Guides), Brownie Guide and Ranger (Girl Guide). Girl Guides is about the whole Girl Guide and Girl Scout movement. Merging anything to articles that do not contain the word Guide will not be acceptable to members of the WAGGGS organisations who are very attached to that word and the distinction from the WOSM organisations. If any one merge is done, others should also be done, so I suggest you raise this on the Scouting WikiProject pages, although it has been widely discussed in the past. I oppose any merges. -- Bduke (Discussion) 17:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Girl Guides and Girl Scouts are technically two separate organizations. Girl Scouts refers only to Girl Scouts of America while Girl Guides is prominent in many other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.225.12 ( talk) 07:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
There is no organization called Girl Scouts of America. It is Girl Scouts of the USA (GSUSA). GSUSA is a member organization of the World Association of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides (WAGGGS) which includes organizations that use the terms Girl Guides, Guides, and Girl Scouts. If I understand the idea of merging the two articles, my opinion is that there should only be one article, with the title being Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. The article about Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting attempts to be too specific about what Girl Guides and Girl Scouts are and do, but there is a wide variety throughout the WAGGGS organization. Other, non WAGGGS member organizations may have a different structure. The Key Points should be moved to the Girl Guides and Girl Scouts article with updates linked to the WAGGe GS web site. Otherwise articles about what Girl Guides or Girl Scouts are should be sent to the organization specific web page. phrogster ( talk) 01:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)Phrogster
We clearly have not got this right yet and we have the same situation in Boy Scout/Scout articles. However a simple merger does not address the point that we have articles on Rainbow Guides, Ranger Guides, Brownie Guides (and over the border, articles on Cub Scouts, Rover Scouts etc), and we have a general article on the movement of Girl Scouting and Girl Guiding? I think these are all necessary. So why not have an article on the original section after Brownies and before Rangers (with changes of course explaining that sections for the same age group have different names in different places and the age ranges are not always the same). I am not opposed to change but we need to look at the wider picture than these two articles. Perhaps we should get rid of all the section articles and just have one article on "Age sections in Scouting and Guiding" that deals with the sections and age ranges in general terms, and then an article on "Scouting". the whole movement, as now and one on the movement that is still largely restricted to female members with the organisations largely affiliated to WAGGGS, while the organisations for boys only, or boys and girls, are not all affiliated to WOSM. It is all very confusing. -- Bduke (Discussion) 07:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't understand the point of this article and why it exists separately from Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. If it's supposed to be about the individual scouts or guides themselves (as opposed to the organization or activity), then why is it called Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting? This article should be retitled and rewritten or someone should just be bold and redirect it. It's been 10+ years of people complaining about it, and it's little more than a stub. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
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The article states that Girl Scout redirects here. This implies that girls Scout is just alternative name. In the UK, at least, this is not true: a girl Scout is a female member of a Scout group, separate from the Girl Guides movement. Bazza 09:15, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Hopefully is my edit more clear? A Girl Scout can also be a female Boy Scout. Sounds funny, but can you live with it? -- Egel Reaction? 11:21, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
Such info goes in association-specific articles, not here (per project agreement), if you are knowledgeable in an area, please move this info...
The Guides are split up into age groups.
Senior Section 14-26.
Senior Section Awards and Qualifications
This information has now been moved to the Girlguiding UK page. There's a lot of work still to do to get it into shape on that page and all help is welcome. Kingbird 16:38, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
Canada is one of the many countries that take part in Girl Guides. In French, it is called Guides du Canada. In Canada, the levels of Guiding are:
Sparks: Sparks are the first level of Guiding for girls ages 5-6. The correct uniform is: pink shorts/leggings/sweatpants, and a pink t-shirt/sweatshirt. A pink pinny for badges is also part of the uniform. Every level of Guiding has a special promise recited at meetings. The Spark's promise is: I promise to share and be a friend. The Sparks now have their own program book and badges, like the Brownies, Guides and Pathfinders program.
Brownies: Brownies are the second level for girls ages 7-8. They wear orange shirts/t-shirts, blue pants/shorts/skirts, and white ties with orange leaves. A navy blue badge sash is worn across the right shoulder. The Brownie promise is: I promise to be true to myself, my god/faith, and Canada. I will help other people and keep the Brownie law.
Guides: Guides are the third level for girls ages 9-11. They wear pale blue shirts/t-shirts, navy pants/shorts, and white ties with blue leaves. The navy blue badge sash is also worn. The promise is similar to the brownie promise. It is: I promise to do my best, to be true to myself, my god/faith, and Canada. I will help others and respect the guiding law.
Pathfinders: Considered to be the last juvenile level, Pathfinders are the next level, for girls 12-14. They wear green and white t-shirts/white long sleeved shirts, navy pants/shorts, and white ties with green leaves, and a navy badge sash is worn. The Pathfinder promise is the same as the Guides' promise. Before, the Pathfinder program was mostly bookwork and discussions, but now, there is a new program that has been made of the girls' suggestions.
Senior Branches: Here, the program branches out into three differant programs, Rangers, Cadets, and Junior Leaders. Each branch has its own colour, red for Rangers, yellow for Cadets and navy for Junior Leaders. Senior Branches often wear the same uniform as the adult leaders, although a red Senior Branches t-shirt is now available. The Senior Branches are treated as junior adults because they are considered to be future Guide leaders. Their promise is the same as the Guides and Pathfinders.
Further details and history of the Girl Guides can be found in the article on Scouting.
moved by Rlevse Rlevse 20:07, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
What is the norm for this artical, English or American, because program is spelt programme, and I am not familar with English spellings to an extent that I can edit with it. Darth griz 9 8 01:09, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
This article, and its relationship with Scouting, Boy Scout are unclear. I get the impression that there is a thought by some authors that the terminology used world-wide is the same. It is not. This article starts by saying that Girl Guide and Girl Scout are synonymous. That may be true in some parts of the world, but not all. In the UK, a Girl Guide is a member of the Girls Guides movement, whereas a girl Scout (with a small G) is a female member of the Scouting movement. (Likewise, there are no Boy Scouts, only boy Scouts). I appreciate that this is different in other parts of the world. Bazza 13:10, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Could one of the experts here please go through and disambiguate the links to Girl Guides. Thanks a million! (Or 245 -- which is the number of links the the page ;-). Ewlyahoocom 06:33, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
What all is needed for GA? I saw the stuff on the taskforce page and can't find where it says what we have left to do with it. Darth griz 98 20:06, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
I'm concerned about the use of the word "troop" in the second paragraph of the article. My understanding is that there in no one word that is used worldwide for those local groups of Guides and Girl Scouts. There are several words, different ones more common in different places. So I'd prefer it if troop isn't the one we used at the start of the article. Local group is the phrase I would use, but I want to know what other people think. Kingbird 19:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
ANON IP 88.108.95.228...four different editors have reverted you. If you can't work this out here on the talk page, you will get blocked for disruption and/or WP:3RR violation. I'm posting this on the article page, Girl Guide and Girl Scout's talk page and on your talk page. Sumoeagle179 20:43, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I have been watching this edit war - and find it amusing! I actually would agree with the Anon Editors contribution reference the title article part. There is inconsistency with the article headers on the Boy Scout and Girl Scout pages. The Boy scout page mentions 'for girl troops see Girl Scout' whereas the Girl Scout page has no reference. I think the annonymous editors contributions were in good taste and respect for the article. How can you say he/she has caused disruption? -- Gothgirlangel1981 21:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I am going to try to balance this! For everyone's sake! I have also noticed the inconsistencies on the Girl and Boy Scout pages. I am also a girl - rather than a boy so my opinions should count. The fact is by the look of things, their is a gender-bias on the article - and all the anon editor seems to be doing is balance it and refer to as many sub-links as possible. He/she may have caused problems with some other articles, as appears to be the case - but they seem to have good intentions and heart on these edits. --Gothgirlangel1981 21:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
As I said on my talk page - maybe the Anon user is new - give them time to settle in. -- Gothgirlangel1981 21:54, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
I suggest that Gothgirlangel1981 and the anon editor have a misunderstanding. They both describe the section as a header section. It is not. It is a disambiguation section to lead people who came here looking for something else to get to the right place. This article is for girls in WAGGGS organisations which are mostly all girl organisations. The disambiguation page is to send the reader to the article that is about girls in WOSM organisations which can be mixed boys and girls. There really is no need to send people to the article on boys as they are unlikely to get to the Girl Guide and Girl Scout article looking for an article about boys. There is a lack of balance precisely because WAGGGS organisations rarely accept boys, but very many WOSM organisations accept girls. A disambiguation section is not a "see also" section and it does not have to be balanced. It has to help people who need help to get to the right article. However, I see no problem with the disambiguation section now and note that the article has been protected to avoid a revert war. If there is a lack of cross references, that should be addressed in the article, not in the disambiguation section. Make suggestions here and an admin may add them to the article. -- Bduke 23:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
A small list to start a section about co-ed guides:
Country | Member organization | Membership status | Membership (from 2006 or most recent) | Year Guiding organization joined WAGGGS | Year Guiding was introduced | Admits girls/boys |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
Argentina | Asociación Guías Argentinas | full | 3,251 | 1958 | 1915 | both |
Bahamas | The Bahamas Girl Guides Association | full | 2,732 | 1975 | 1915 | both? (no website) |
Belgium | Guides Catholiques de Belgique | full (via GSB) | about 23,000 | 1928 | 1915/1956 | both 1979 |
Brazil | Federação de Bandeirantes do Brasil | full | 4,454 | 1930 | 1919 | both |
Cyprus | Girl Guides Association of Cyprus | full | 2,763 | 1962 | 1912 | both |
Estonia | Eesti Gaidide Liit | full | 776 | 1928/1993 | 1919 | both? |
Germany | Pfadfinderinnenschaft Sankt Georg | full (via RDP) | about 10,000 | 1950 | 1931/1947 | both (only regional) |
Greece | Soma Hellinidon Odigon | full | 14,622 | 1933 | 1932 | both |
Honduras | Asociación Nacional de Muchachas Guías de Honduras | full | 5,484 | 1981 | 1953 | both? (no website) |
Paraguay | Asociación Guías Scouts del Paraguay | full | 329 | 1966 | 1923 | both |
Peru | Asociación Nacional de Guías Scouts del Perú | full | 5,500 | 1960 | 1916 | both |
Romania | Asociaţia Ghidelor şi Ghizilor din România | full | 627 | 1993 | 1928 | both |
Slovenia | Združenje slovenskih katoliških skavtinj in skavtov | full | 4,173 | 1928/1996 | 1922 | both (not realy a guide organisation) |
Spain | Federacion Española de Guidismo | full (via CEGE) | about 1,000 | 1969 | 1948/1984 | both |
Uruguay | Asociación Guías Scout del Uruguay | associate | 71 | 1966 | 1924 | both? (no website) |
Hong Kong: only 4-6 is co-ed
-- Egel Reaction? 10:25, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Jamaica has a website here. They don't mention accepting boys at any level. The WAGGGS website entry for this association doesn't specify "admits boys" either way. Kingbird 16:28, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
Since the page has been locked for editing - I gather there's a war going on? - someone who can ought to correct the link for the "Khyber Guides." Based on my research I think this has to be a reference to the Corps of Guides (British India). —Preceding unsigned comment added by SCGC ( talk • contribs) 00:57, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
Here's what the Girl Guides article looked like before I redirected it here just now. I think most of the info from there is already here, but I'm providing this link in case I'm wrong. [4] -- Allen 01:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
There is a discussion in progress involving the content of this page at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Scouting/Archive 5#Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting article modifications. Kingbird ( talk) 06:08, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
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Propose merge: both article seem to be about the same idea of Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting as a movement. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 18:20, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
--—— Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 13:20, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I dont know if here is the right place to ask a quedtion of not, by the way, if there is anyone who knows something about the photo I would be pleased if s/he tell me about the girl that is looking directly to the camera, her name and E-mail or anything else. here is my E-mail: vandida2000@yahoo.com Thankyou. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.115.16.209 ( talk) 20:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: No clear consensus to move. Needs some discussion at the project level first. Mike Cline ( talk) 23:14, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
relisted - Mike Cline ( talk) 21:18, 1 December 2011 (UTC) – This naming has been a mess for a while, and this seems like a simple and substantial improvement. This article is currently named for the movement, but is about the individual section called "Girl Guides" or "Girl Scouts". The page on the movement is currently named for this the individual members, despite the movement actually being called "Girl Guiding". I'm also open to the current Girl Guides page being called Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting, since the movement goes by "Girl Scouting" in some regions, but I really do think it is too confusing to have the current situation where the names are basically reversed. 86.163.1.168 ( talk) 14:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC) Oops, got logged out. That was me. GirlGuider1910 ( talk) 14:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)
There's really no reason for Girl Guides to be a separate article. It duplicates much of the information here and there seems to be no clear dividing line. -- Necrothesp ( talk) 10:11, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
No. This article is about the section for girls between 11 and 14. There are other articles for the other sections at Rainbow (Girl Guides), Brownie Guide and Ranger (Girl Guide). Girl Guides is about the whole Girl Guide and Girl Scout movement. Merging anything to articles that do not contain the word Guide will not be acceptable to members of the WAGGGS organisations who are very attached to that word and the distinction from the WOSM organisations. If any one merge is done, others should also be done, so I suggest you raise this on the Scouting WikiProject pages, although it has been widely discussed in the past. I oppose any merges. -- Bduke (Discussion) 17:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Girl Guides and Girl Scouts are technically two separate organizations. Girl Scouts refers only to Girl Scouts of America while Girl Guides is prominent in many other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.73.225.12 ( talk) 07:15, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
There is no organization called Girl Scouts of America. It is Girl Scouts of the USA (GSUSA). GSUSA is a member organization of the World Association of Girl Scouts and Girl Guides (WAGGGS) which includes organizations that use the terms Girl Guides, Guides, and Girl Scouts. If I understand the idea of merging the two articles, my opinion is that there should only be one article, with the title being Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. The article about Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting attempts to be too specific about what Girl Guides and Girl Scouts are and do, but there is a wide variety throughout the WAGGGS organization. Other, non WAGGGS member organizations may have a different structure. The Key Points should be moved to the Girl Guides and Girl Scouts article with updates linked to the WAGGe GS web site. Otherwise articles about what Girl Guides or Girl Scouts are should be sent to the organization specific web page. phrogster ( talk) 01:31, 8 February 2013 (UTC)Phrogster
We clearly have not got this right yet and we have the same situation in Boy Scout/Scout articles. However a simple merger does not address the point that we have articles on Rainbow Guides, Ranger Guides, Brownie Guides (and over the border, articles on Cub Scouts, Rover Scouts etc), and we have a general article on the movement of Girl Scouting and Girl Guiding? I think these are all necessary. So why not have an article on the original section after Brownies and before Rangers (with changes of course explaining that sections for the same age group have different names in different places and the age ranges are not always the same). I am not opposed to change but we need to look at the wider picture than these two articles. Perhaps we should get rid of all the section articles and just have one article on "Age sections in Scouting and Guiding" that deals with the sections and age ranges in general terms, and then an article on "Scouting". the whole movement, as now and one on the movement that is still largely restricted to female members with the organisations largely affiliated to WAGGGS, while the organisations for boys only, or boys and girls, are not all affiliated to WOSM. It is all very confusing. -- Bduke (Discussion) 07:49, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
I can't understand the point of this article and why it exists separately from Girl Guides and Girl Scouts. If it's supposed to be about the individual scouts or guides themselves (as opposed to the organization or activity), then why is it called Girl Guiding and Girl Scouting? This article should be retitled and rewritten or someone should just be bold and redirect it. It's been 10+ years of people complaining about it, and it's little more than a stub. —Мандичка YO 😜 20:20, 19 June 2018 (UTC)