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With the move of Girl Genius to the web, I've included this page in the "List of Webcomics" that's part of the Webcomic article.
Where is the evidence that Zeetha is a blood relative of Gil? this needs a link to a comic that spells it out better. Granted, the connection that Gil was sired by the Baron by one of the tribe is hinted at, but actual blood relative? That sentence needs removing.
The article on Agatha Heterodyne should be merged into this article (as should articles on other characters in this comic). The guidelines for this are covered at Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)#Fiction in Wikipedia. Generally characters in fictional works should be covered in the article on the fictional work, unless that article would then be too long.-- Srleffler 04:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the official Girl Genius site links to it prominently, I assume it's an official extension (as well as an noteworthy idea: a webcomic sans graphics) rewinn 04:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Appear to be listed in livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/schools/?ctc=RO&sc=Transylvania&cc=Beetleburg http://www.livejournal.com/schools/?ctc=RO&sc=Transylvania&cc=Beetleburg&sid=93534
Do we really need so many words rendered in italics? Or worse, BOLD CAPITALS. I for one find it rather annoying rather than charming. Rogerborg ( talk) 22:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Do Jagers have a German origin? The only German thing is their name... accent spelling looks like German, but like Russian, too. They says "W" as "V", "Th" as "V", "D" or even "Z" etc. The most suspicious are they names (there are Russian names Maxim and Dima). Ognian is rather Bolgarian than Russian. The "piece of piroshki" instead of "peace of cake" is based on the "pirog", Russian for "cake". Also, they have some Russian calls "bez-shabashnost", difficult to translate.
The last sentence of Zeetha's section has been tagged "citation needed" by an editor. The way the contributor worded this particular sentence takes into consideration the fact that there may be those that would challenge that statement. However, I believe that this is covered quite well as it stands. The sentence reads: "Some fans of the series have drawn a connection between Zeetha's slaughtering of the pirate fleet and the disappearance of DuPree's fleet" This is further covered in Bangladesh DuPree's section. I would be so bold as to say that the editor who tagged the sentence DID NOT READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE.
Let's be serious here. there is NOTHING wrong with this section exactly the way it is. Let's just leave it as it is. The editor who tagged this sentence is obviously unfamiliar with the subject matter, and is merely flexing their "editor muscles". We already have ONE Quatloo editing Wikipedia, we don't need MORE power-mad editors tilting at windmills, do we?
Osirisrising ( talk) 00:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a tendency to add fan sites to external links; please keep in mind Wikipedia's policies on inappropriate external link addition and spamming noted in External links, particularly the sections on:
It's a common enough error, and one I think we've all done early on simply because we were eager to contribute while unaware of linking protocol. ^_^ But it's problematic as it places personal site promotion over Wikipedia's goals and policies regarding appropriate presentation of data. Rachel Summers ( talk) 19:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning somewhere on this page? It is, for instance, blatantly stated here that Agatha is the Heterodyne heir; a fact that, while central to the plot, is still only revealed in volume 3 and is an important mystery in the early story. I'm sure there are many more examples but, not having entirely caught up on this series yet, I didn't read the whole article to avoid unannounced spoilers. ;) 207.134.103.122 ( talk) 14:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I asked Two-oh-seven to join in on the 8th; guess he's not showing up. -- Kiz o r 07:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I know that there are some here on Wikipedia who are fans of Girl Genius and would like to see more information, but this isn't the proper place for it. As such, a dedicated Girl Genius Wikia has been created and is looking for more people to help make it grow.
That said, this will also allow us to take a hard look at this article itself and trim it down to avoid any 'cruft issues.
One question, though. Is it appropriate in Wikipedia to include direct links to the GGWikia within the body? i.e. having a separate 'see more' tag at the end of each character description? -- Donovan Ravenhull ( talk) 21:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Whilst I like this page there did seem to be one piece of information missing, and being inexperienced in Wikipedia I was not sure how it would best be included (and thought it safer to raise it here).
Phil Foglio created a strip for the Munden's Bar backup in GrimJack involving Bill and Barry Heterodyne (I think it was issue 40 - but am not sure without my collection to reference). It should probably be mentioned under publishing history as it is I believe the first appearance of the name and brothers, and was used as part of the inspiration for Girl Genius. Though maybe it is instead or also connections to other works? I am open to guidance. Dhericean ( talk) 11:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Othar's short little description implies that his goal of killing sparks is well known. As Agatha was completely unaware of this (plus so were the Circus of Sparks that Agatha later traveled with) this should be removed. if noone contradicts me I'll do it next week. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Teal Thanatos (
talk •
contribs)
21:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
As no comments otherwise, I have changed the text as I believe appropriate.
Teal Thanatos (
talk)
23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
In the comics is it not Europe but Europa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.243.80 ( talk) 02:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Two quick points here.
Do we know for sure the Lucrezia IS the Other - as opposed to having been taken over by the Other? A lot of the characters, and readers, certainly assume she is. That said, I'm not aware of anything definitive, such as the Foglios categorically having stated this anywhere.
Regardless of the merits of the statement as it is, this is one ENORMOUS spoiler. WeepingAngel63 ( talk) 00:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
In the section about Agatha there is a line about her first clank that reads "Baron Wulfenbach labelled her clank "amusing but harmless"". This is wrong... It wasn't the Baron who said that it was the assistant, Boris. [1] 71.38.117.4 ( talk) 15:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Those speculating on the above seem to have overlooked one very large clue. Where did Gil (and Zeetha) first encounter him? At Mamma Gkika's, relaxing openly in the underground, Jäger-only beerhall where he was evidently both unremarked by management and clientele, and quite familiar with in-house customs such as the daily fight. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.66.161 ( talk) 06:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Does this need updating - parts seem out of date - referring to 2008 when we are now in 2012.
I think that the article is far to dominated by the list of characters and detailed narrative. I wonder if that would be better moved to a separate article.
Third point - really we need something about critical reception. Is this very special ? How has it won so many Hugo awards ? -- Beardo ( talk) 03:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
![]() | This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |
With the move of Girl Genius to the web, I've included this page in the "List of Webcomics" that's part of the Webcomic article.
Where is the evidence that Zeetha is a blood relative of Gil? this needs a link to a comic that spells it out better. Granted, the connection that Gil was sired by the Baron by one of the tribe is hinted at, but actual blood relative? That sentence needs removing.
The article on Agatha Heterodyne should be merged into this article (as should articles on other characters in this comic). The guidelines for this are covered at Wikipedia:Notability (fiction)#Fiction in Wikipedia. Generally characters in fictional works should be covered in the article on the fictional work, unless that article would then be too long.-- Srleffler 04:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
Since the official Girl Genius site links to it prominently, I assume it's an official extension (as well as an noteworthy idea: a webcomic sans graphics) rewinn 04:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
Appear to be listed in livejournal: http://www.livejournal.com/schools/?ctc=RO&sc=Transylvania&cc=Beetleburg http://www.livejournal.com/schools/?ctc=RO&sc=Transylvania&cc=Beetleburg&sid=93534
Do we really need so many words rendered in italics? Or worse, BOLD CAPITALS. I for one find it rather annoying rather than charming. Rogerborg ( talk) 22:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)
Do Jagers have a German origin? The only German thing is their name... accent spelling looks like German, but like Russian, too. They says "W" as "V", "Th" as "V", "D" or even "Z" etc. The most suspicious are they names (there are Russian names Maxim and Dima). Ognian is rather Bolgarian than Russian. The "piece of piroshki" instead of "peace of cake" is based on the "pirog", Russian for "cake". Also, they have some Russian calls "bez-shabashnost", difficult to translate.
The last sentence of Zeetha's section has been tagged "citation needed" by an editor. The way the contributor worded this particular sentence takes into consideration the fact that there may be those that would challenge that statement. However, I believe that this is covered quite well as it stands. The sentence reads: "Some fans of the series have drawn a connection between Zeetha's slaughtering of the pirate fleet and the disappearance of DuPree's fleet" This is further covered in Bangladesh DuPree's section. I would be so bold as to say that the editor who tagged the sentence DID NOT READ THE ENTIRE ARTICLE.
Let's be serious here. there is NOTHING wrong with this section exactly the way it is. Let's just leave it as it is. The editor who tagged this sentence is obviously unfamiliar with the subject matter, and is merely flexing their "editor muscles". We already have ONE Quatloo editing Wikipedia, we don't need MORE power-mad editors tilting at windmills, do we?
Osirisrising ( talk) 00:30, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
There is a tendency to add fan sites to external links; please keep in mind Wikipedia's policies on inappropriate external link addition and spamming noted in External links, particularly the sections on:
It's a common enough error, and one I think we've all done early on simply because we were eager to contribute while unaware of linking protocol. ^_^ But it's problematic as it places personal site promotion over Wikipedia's goals and policies regarding appropriate presentation of data. Rachel Summers ( talk) 19:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning somewhere on this page? It is, for instance, blatantly stated here that Agatha is the Heterodyne heir; a fact that, while central to the plot, is still only revealed in volume 3 and is an important mystery in the early story. I'm sure there are many more examples but, not having entirely caught up on this series yet, I didn't read the whole article to avoid unannounced spoilers. ;) 207.134.103.122 ( talk) 14:31, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
I asked Two-oh-seven to join in on the 8th; guess he's not showing up. -- Kiz o r 07:49, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
I know that there are some here on Wikipedia who are fans of Girl Genius and would like to see more information, but this isn't the proper place for it. As such, a dedicated Girl Genius Wikia has been created and is looking for more people to help make it grow.
That said, this will also allow us to take a hard look at this article itself and trim it down to avoid any 'cruft issues.
One question, though. Is it appropriate in Wikipedia to include direct links to the GGWikia within the body? i.e. having a separate 'see more' tag at the end of each character description? -- Donovan Ravenhull ( talk) 21:22, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Whilst I like this page there did seem to be one piece of information missing, and being inexperienced in Wikipedia I was not sure how it would best be included (and thought it safer to raise it here).
Phil Foglio created a strip for the Munden's Bar backup in GrimJack involving Bill and Barry Heterodyne (I think it was issue 40 - but am not sure without my collection to reference). It should probably be mentioned under publishing history as it is I believe the first appearance of the name and brothers, and was used as part of the inspiration for Girl Genius. Though maybe it is instead or also connections to other works? I am open to guidance. Dhericean ( talk) 11:51, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
Othar's short little description implies that his goal of killing sparks is well known. As Agatha was completely unaware of this (plus so were the Circus of Sparks that Agatha later traveled with) this should be removed. if noone contradicts me I'll do it next week. —Preceding
unsigned comment added by
Teal Thanatos (
talk •
contribs)
21:20, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
As no comments otherwise, I have changed the text as I believe appropriate.
Teal Thanatos (
talk)
23:10, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
In the comics is it not Europe but Europa. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.225.243.80 ( talk) 02:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
Two quick points here.
Do we know for sure the Lucrezia IS the Other - as opposed to having been taken over by the Other? A lot of the characters, and readers, certainly assume she is. That said, I'm not aware of anything definitive, such as the Foglios categorically having stated this anywhere.
Regardless of the merits of the statement as it is, this is one ENORMOUS spoiler. WeepingAngel63 ( talk) 00:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
In the section about Agatha there is a line about her first clank that reads "Baron Wulfenbach labelled her clank "amusing but harmless"". This is wrong... It wasn't the Baron who said that it was the assistant, Boris. [1] 71.38.117.4 ( talk) 15:29, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
Those speculating on the above seem to have overlooked one very large clue. Where did Gil (and Zeetha) first encounter him? At Mamma Gkika's, relaxing openly in the underground, Jäger-only beerhall where he was evidently both unremarked by management and clientele, and quite familiar with in-house customs such as the daily fight. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.66.161 ( talk) 06:43, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Does this need updating - parts seem out of date - referring to 2008 when we are now in 2012.
I think that the article is far to dominated by the list of characters and detailed narrative. I wonder if that would be better moved to a separate article.
Third point - really we need something about critical reception. Is this very special ? How has it won so many Hugo awards ? -- Beardo ( talk) 03:23, 4 September 2012 (UTC)