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In editing thus far, I found that the paragraph-long sentence detailing his early commissions reads better as a series of sentences. The mention of different critics' assessments is, I believe, an outdated reference--sounds like much of the rest, as if copied from the century-old entry from Brittanica. JNW 15:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I have re-installed the self-portrait for the following reasons: The attribution of works to Giorgione, with few exceptions, is controversial; even the Pastoral Concert, long a mainstay in his column, has lately been re-attributed to Titian. The assignment of this picture is no less uncertain. However, it was accepted as genuine by Vasari in 1528. Its quality, while abraded with age, and difficult to judge by this washed-out reproduction, is high. And the precociousness of concept and ambiguity of meaning are consistent with Giorgione's work--to posit that he would have been the first artist in Venice to create a painted self-portrait would not be giving him too much credit. Finally, there was no supporting rationale for reverting the picture. If solid recent evidence can be cited to the effect that the picture is now widely discredited, then I will stand happily corrected, and please re-revert. JNW 02:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm no expert, but has "Portrait of Warrior with his Equerry" (estimated 1509) perhaps been attributed to Cavazzola (new estimation 1518-22)? See for example http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cavazzol/warrior.html which states: "Formerly the picture has been ascribed to the last activity of Giorgione, dead in 1510." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.88.226 ( talk) 00:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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I have found this article to contain substantial amounts of relevant information on Giorgione with a good balance of text in each of the sections 'Life', 'Works' and 'Attributions'; the section of 'Legacy', in comparison, is much shorter. The information is clearly structured and coherent within the article using clear headings, sub-headings and some of Giorgione's works have also been selected to be presented in the 'Gallery' section.
However, several changes pertaining to the referencing and citations can further improve the overall quality of the article. Not every fact presented in the article has been explicitly referenced. For instance, in presenting Giorgione's biographical information, only his birth, death and nationality are cited. While it is possible that much of the biographical information came from the same source and thus the information presented after the initial facts have not been cited, it is preferable to indicate that the information derives from the same source and refer back to the initial citation. In addition, there are many explicit textual references to Vasari throughout the article without any link to citations; although from what I discern the tone of the article remains neutral, this runs the risk of over-representing his viewpoint and creating bias in a objective article.
Existing citations in the article are from various sources including online encyclopedias, JSTOR, press release, academic articles from various organizations of art and museum websites. Some of these sources, such as JSTOR and in particular the academic articles, which have been published by institutions such as the Royal Academy of Arts London and the National Gallery of Art, can be deemed to be reliable as they generally hold authority in the field of visual arts. On the other hand, sources such as press releases and museum websites are less reliable and this impinges on the credibility of the article as a whole. Upon checking select references, no close paraphrasing was found, however, many of the links are no longer functional and need to be updated, such as reference [5] to Burlington Magazine, [6] to JSTOR, and [9] to Encyclopedia Britannica. Not all of the ISBN numbers for journal articles have been provided either. This can be problematic as the reliability of the information presented in the article then becomes questionable.
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I've just added in the death notice and related news articles in to this page as I've just made the source to digitised content available today. This new information actually impacts the top part of the page as the death notice discovered indicates he died aged 36, not 30 as indicated on page. USydKim 10:10, 25 February 2019 (AEST)
A previous editor had 1477/78, citing Gould, which I have not been able to check. I added 1476, citing Nichols, which I own. But, obviously, what should be cited is Vasari's 1550 edition. Does anyone have access to it? If someone can tell us what Vasari said in that edition, then we can drop the cite to Gould and to Nichols. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 19:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I changed 1476/77/78 to 1476-78, as suggested, and, for consistency, I also changed 1473/74 to 1473-74. I also changed the dates under the photo at the upper right to match those in the opening sentence. (The "31" is because, if he were born in 1478, he might have died in 1510 before reaching his 32nd birthday.) I haven't been able to find Vasari in Italian. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 20:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Since we have from the horse's mouth Vasari's 1550 statement that Giorgione was born in 1477 and his 1568 statement that Giorgione was born in 1478, we have no need to cite Gould or Nichols as to what Vasari wrote. Therefore, I deleted their statements and linked to Vasari's words in both editions of his book. I also changed the dates under the photo at the upper right from 1476-78 back to 1477-78, because Nichols was wrong that in 1550 Vasari wrote 1476. On another point, in footnote 1, I put brackets around the two URLs in order to hide them and create links to them. When I did that "[1]" and "[2]" appeared. I know that there is a way to avoid those bracketed numbers, but I don't know what it is. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 01:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
The third paragraph under "Life" states, "released the art from the last shackles of archaic rigidity and placed it in possession of full freedom and the full mastery of its means." Can someone translate that into English? Art cannot have "mastery of its means." I can't edit it because I don't know what it is trying to say. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 09:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)
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In editing thus far, I found that the paragraph-long sentence detailing his early commissions reads better as a series of sentences. The mention of different critics' assessments is, I believe, an outdated reference--sounds like much of the rest, as if copied from the century-old entry from Brittanica. JNW 15:19, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
I have re-installed the self-portrait for the following reasons: The attribution of works to Giorgione, with few exceptions, is controversial; even the Pastoral Concert, long a mainstay in his column, has lately been re-attributed to Titian. The assignment of this picture is no less uncertain. However, it was accepted as genuine by Vasari in 1528. Its quality, while abraded with age, and difficult to judge by this washed-out reproduction, is high. And the precociousness of concept and ambiguity of meaning are consistent with Giorgione's work--to posit that he would have been the first artist in Venice to create a painted self-portrait would not be giving him too much credit. Finally, there was no supporting rationale for reverting the picture. If solid recent evidence can be cited to the effect that the picture is now widely discredited, then I will stand happily corrected, and please re-revert. JNW 02:22, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm no expert, but has "Portrait of Warrior with his Equerry" (estimated 1509) perhaps been attributed to Cavazzola (new estimation 1518-22)? See for example http://www.wga.hu/frames-e.html?/html/c/cavazzol/warrior.html which states: "Formerly the picture has been ascribed to the last activity of Giorgione, dead in 1510." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.209.88.226 ( talk) 00:02, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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I have found this article to contain substantial amounts of relevant information on Giorgione with a good balance of text in each of the sections 'Life', 'Works' and 'Attributions'; the section of 'Legacy', in comparison, is much shorter. The information is clearly structured and coherent within the article using clear headings, sub-headings and some of Giorgione's works have also been selected to be presented in the 'Gallery' section.
However, several changes pertaining to the referencing and citations can further improve the overall quality of the article. Not every fact presented in the article has been explicitly referenced. For instance, in presenting Giorgione's biographical information, only his birth, death and nationality are cited. While it is possible that much of the biographical information came from the same source and thus the information presented after the initial facts have not been cited, it is preferable to indicate that the information derives from the same source and refer back to the initial citation. In addition, there are many explicit textual references to Vasari throughout the article without any link to citations; although from what I discern the tone of the article remains neutral, this runs the risk of over-representing his viewpoint and creating bias in a objective article.
Existing citations in the article are from various sources including online encyclopedias, JSTOR, press release, academic articles from various organizations of art and museum websites. Some of these sources, such as JSTOR and in particular the academic articles, which have been published by institutions such as the Royal Academy of Arts London and the National Gallery of Art, can be deemed to be reliable as they generally hold authority in the field of visual arts. On the other hand, sources such as press releases and museum websites are less reliable and this impinges on the credibility of the article as a whole. Upon checking select references, no close paraphrasing was found, however, many of the links are no longer functional and need to be updated, such as reference [5] to Burlington Magazine, [6] to JSTOR, and [9] to Encyclopedia Britannica. Not all of the ISBN numbers for journal articles have been provided either. This can be problematic as the reliability of the information presented in the article then becomes questionable.
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I've just added in the death notice and related news articles in to this page as I've just made the source to digitised content available today. This new information actually impacts the top part of the page as the death notice discovered indicates he died aged 36, not 30 as indicated on page. USydKim 10:10, 25 February 2019 (AEST)
A previous editor had 1477/78, citing Gould, which I have not been able to check. I added 1476, citing Nichols, which I own. But, obviously, what should be cited is Vasari's 1550 edition. Does anyone have access to it? If someone can tell us what Vasari said in that edition, then we can drop the cite to Gould and to Nichols. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 19:42, 19 May 2021 (UTC)
I changed 1476/77/78 to 1476-78, as suggested, and, for consistency, I also changed 1473/74 to 1473-74. I also changed the dates under the photo at the upper right to match those in the opening sentence. (The "31" is because, if he were born in 1478, he might have died in 1510 before reaching his 32nd birthday.) I haven't been able to find Vasari in Italian. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 20:51, 20 May 2021 (UTC)
Thank you. Since we have from the horse's mouth Vasari's 1550 statement that Giorgione was born in 1477 and his 1568 statement that Giorgione was born in 1478, we have no need to cite Gould or Nichols as to what Vasari wrote. Therefore, I deleted their statements and linked to Vasari's words in both editions of his book. I also changed the dates under the photo at the upper right from 1476-78 back to 1477-78, because Nichols was wrong that in 1550 Vasari wrote 1476. On another point, in footnote 1, I put brackets around the two URLs in order to hide them and create links to them. When I did that "[1]" and "[2]" appeared. I know that there is a way to avoid those bracketed numbers, but I don't know what it is. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 01:13, 21 May 2021 (UTC)
The third paragraph under "Life" states, "released the art from the last shackles of archaic rigidity and placed it in possession of full freedom and the full mastery of its means." Can someone translate that into English? Art cannot have "mastery of its means." I can't edit it because I don't know what it is trying to say. Maurice Magnus ( talk) 09:59, 20 November 2022 (UTC)