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Have edited the "Ginny in fandom" section, since at times it showed slightly too much bias and lack of a balanced perspective on all the issues, and certain arguments not completely compatible with canon. The idea that Ginny is a "bully", and her actions are comparible to those of people like Draco Malfoy, is particularly questionable, and the opposing view needs to be addressed more fully.
Am I the only one who noticed that Harry & Ginny didn't exactly break up at the end of HBP? Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic... Seven-point-Mystic 15:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
^^^
Did anyone notice that when harry breaks up with her, she say's Voldemort's name instead of "he-who-must-not-be-named"? That should perhaps be added to the HBP section if people think it's important. It's on page 647 in the American edition in case you want to refrence it. It's half-way down the page in the paragraph that starts out "But you've been too busy saving the Wizarding world..."
Shouldn't the section about Ginny's appearance in the books be marked spoilers? Especially for CoS, where she plays a key role. 62.178.0.135 16:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Ginny's first name is Ginevra according to JKR's website. -- Phil | Talk 10:54, May 17, 2004 (UTC)
Erm, not sure how categories work, but Ginny is apparently a member of 'quiditch players', 'dumbledores army', 'gryphindores', but not, interestingly ' Harry Potter characters... Can someone fix this? Sir Trollsalot 23:10, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Do we really need a section on the author's view of the charcter? Surely it is the job of the reader to come to such conclusions without being told them.
The medium the character was experienced in is fairly irrelevant to the point that we should not be telling people how to interpret Ginny or indeed any other character. Rowling offers an interpretation of Ginny, yet the fact that she is the author does not make it binding or intrinsically correct. In stating Rowling's view it gives the impression to think otherwise of Ginny makes one automatically incorrect, particularly as this is suppose to be an objective encyclopaedia, which is nonsense as one's view of a character is a subjective area. I still stand by the fact that everyone should be allowed to come to their own conclusion. If Rowling has done her job well then we shouldn't need to be told.
The reason your analogy does not hold is that Einstein was not the sole architect of quantum mechanics and thus his quote about dice merely offers his own perspective of an issue he had engaged. Einstein's quote is in fact, therefore, more analogous to a reader's PoV about this character rather than the authors. The point is that the issues commented on by Rowling i.e. whether Ginny is the ideal man for Harry, that they are equals and she is funny and compassionate lack any sort of objectivism; they are value judgements, judgements which should be left to the reader (or, so as not to offend Death Eater Dan, viewer or player). To state the author's view gives the impression that it is inherently correct, which by definition it cannot be. The section should be removed.
Once again your amusing analogy falls short. How is an interpretation of my last comment a value judgement? Agreed, Einstein's expertise lends weight to statements about physics more so than they would Dungeons and Dragons, but that does not mean in the article about quantum mechanics you would devote a section to Einstein's view with the blatant underlying sub text that as Einstein is an exceptionally well known physicist his view is clearly correct. Yet in the case of this article to consider Rowling’s feelings, particularly when it comes after the fandom views section, is to suggest ‘here is what others have said now here is what Rowling has said and as she is the author she must be right.’
I still disagree with the manner in which Rowling's view is used to 'trump' all others, but I seem to stand fairly alone on the issue so I will, in Acemyth's words, move on. I have to say I am impressed by the quality and passion of his arguments; it was a most enjoyable duel.
Sorry to drag up old issues, but I found this quote and automatically thought of our little discussion; "The democracy of reading means that as soon as a book is published you lose control of how it's interpreted anyhow, and so you should. To tell someone else how to read your book is to fall into the temptation of fundamentalism." ~Philip Pullman
To avoid further confussion, let me make a note that Ginny's first name is Ginevra, since it says so here. It was beileved by fans that her name was Virginia for several years, because Ginny is a common nickname for Virginia.
Ginny's eyes are light brown, because it said so in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets towards the end of Chapter Three: The Burrow. Confussion probably arises because Ginny's eyes are clearly green in the film.
But it is said in the American version of Harry Potter and the Chambers of Secrets, near the end of chapter III that Ginny's eyes are green.
Ok. The article is now requested for a peer review. As an editor/user, what can I do? -- Jotomicron | talk 11:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you will find that JKR has not included years on any of the birthdates (infact I think you will find there are no years included in any of the books. The dates that people give are derived assuming that the first Harry potter book happened the year it was published. This however is never stated in the books or in any interviews. In the most recent book, the Prime Minister of the UK makes an apperance but is never physically described or called by name. This lends evidence to the idea that the books are not set in a specific time. Dalf | Talk 02:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
JK Rowling gave an interview recently that contains some interesting information about Ginny. She also said that there was not a bond created when Harry saved her life in book 2.
"MA: Does she have a life debt to Harry from book two?
JKR: No, not really. Wormtail is different. You know, part of me would just love to explain the whole thing to you, plot of book seven, you know, I honestly would." (From part 3)
Here's the interview: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
I wish you put spoiler tags on that... JONJONAUG 21:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Shouldn't there be a specific mention about how Ginny is the seventh daughter of the Weasly's, and how number 7 is a powerful number in the magical world, as Voldemort says in book 6? Yeah, it's written in the article how Ginny is the youngest of the seven Weasly's, but I think we should underline how important the number 7 is. This is just an opinion, but it does look like the number 7 might be important in book 7 (heh, sorry about that). :) Comments about this? I don't wanna change the article just to have it changed back, so I'm asking here. Raystorm 15:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Steggall 18:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
MA: Does she have a larger importance; the Tom Riddle stuff, being the seventh girl - JKR: The backstory with Ginny was, she was the first girl to arrive in the Weasley family in generations, but there's that old tradition of the seventh daughter of a seventh daughter and a seventh son of a seventh son, so that's why she's the seventh, because she is a gifted witch. I think you get hints of that, because she does some pretty impressive stuff here and there, and you'll see that again. |
One of Ginny's most distinctive traits is left out of the article: she's a very good mimic. Off the top of my head, I can remember her imitating Umbridge's "hem hem" so well at the Hog's Head in OP that she scared several people, imitating Hermione jumping up and down in her seat, imitating Ron missing a goal when Keeping, and I'm sure there are other examples in the later books. User:Angr 11:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, by the points:
I have removed twice the phrase describing Ginny's hair as "a mane of vivid red hair" I have removed it for the followign reasons:
Tone is a big problem with a lot of articles on fictional works and I think we should strive to keep this article in an encyclopedic tone. Dalf | Talk 02:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
If you still have a problem with this sentence, perhaps we should get a few more people to weigh in. :) 70.48.165.92 02:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It is a matter of encyclopedic style, the POV thing still stands in cases where there is a objective fact from the books, then it being harry's POV does not matter. If for example he were making an subjective assessment "carrots taste bad" then we could not use that as proof that in the Harry Potter univers carrots taste bad. I am afraid that vivd and lookign liek fire etc are not objective. But, you can have red over ginger. Can you find more instances of her having a mane? This is largly that the diffrence between simply having long red hair and haveing a vivid mane of red hair is not one of strict definition. In an encyclopedia you don't add flowery words that do not actualy convey any more information simply because you like them. In a case where they will add somethign to the article you put them in quotations and include a refrence. Dalf | Talk 04:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
LOL! It reads like purple prose, because it is purple prose!
I added the weasel words tag to the "Ginny in the Harry Potter fandom" section, due to the frequent use of the weasel words "many" and "some." 70.52.230.152 00:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ginny Weasley/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Certainly close to Featured Article status - although it should perhaps go though the step of acquiring Good Article status first. This would enable editors to target more areas for improvement before this exalted level is proclaimed. The main concern I would have is the need for more third party content, verifiable of course and this with plenty of citations and references. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 10:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC) |
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Have edited the "Ginny in fandom" section, since at times it showed slightly too much bias and lack of a balanced perspective on all the issues, and certain arguments not completely compatible with canon. The idea that Ginny is a "bully", and her actions are comparible to those of people like Draco Malfoy, is particularly questionable, and the opposing view needs to be addressed more fully.
Am I the only one who noticed that Harry & Ginny didn't exactly break up at the end of HBP? Maybe I'm just a hopeless romantic... Seven-point-Mystic 15:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
^^^
Did anyone notice that when harry breaks up with her, she say's Voldemort's name instead of "he-who-must-not-be-named"? That should perhaps be added to the HBP section if people think it's important. It's on page 647 in the American edition in case you want to refrence it. It's half-way down the page in the paragraph that starts out "But you've been too busy saving the Wizarding world..."
Shouldn't the section about Ginny's appearance in the books be marked spoilers? Especially for CoS, where she plays a key role. 62.178.0.135 16:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
Ginny's first name is Ginevra according to JKR's website. -- Phil | Talk 10:54, May 17, 2004 (UTC)
Erm, not sure how categories work, but Ginny is apparently a member of 'quiditch players', 'dumbledores army', 'gryphindores', but not, interestingly ' Harry Potter characters... Can someone fix this? Sir Trollsalot 23:10, 3 Jun 2004 (UTC)
Do we really need a section on the author's view of the charcter? Surely it is the job of the reader to come to such conclusions without being told them.
The medium the character was experienced in is fairly irrelevant to the point that we should not be telling people how to interpret Ginny or indeed any other character. Rowling offers an interpretation of Ginny, yet the fact that she is the author does not make it binding or intrinsically correct. In stating Rowling's view it gives the impression to think otherwise of Ginny makes one automatically incorrect, particularly as this is suppose to be an objective encyclopaedia, which is nonsense as one's view of a character is a subjective area. I still stand by the fact that everyone should be allowed to come to their own conclusion. If Rowling has done her job well then we shouldn't need to be told.
The reason your analogy does not hold is that Einstein was not the sole architect of quantum mechanics and thus his quote about dice merely offers his own perspective of an issue he had engaged. Einstein's quote is in fact, therefore, more analogous to a reader's PoV about this character rather than the authors. The point is that the issues commented on by Rowling i.e. whether Ginny is the ideal man for Harry, that they are equals and she is funny and compassionate lack any sort of objectivism; they are value judgements, judgements which should be left to the reader (or, so as not to offend Death Eater Dan, viewer or player). To state the author's view gives the impression that it is inherently correct, which by definition it cannot be. The section should be removed.
Once again your amusing analogy falls short. How is an interpretation of my last comment a value judgement? Agreed, Einstein's expertise lends weight to statements about physics more so than they would Dungeons and Dragons, but that does not mean in the article about quantum mechanics you would devote a section to Einstein's view with the blatant underlying sub text that as Einstein is an exceptionally well known physicist his view is clearly correct. Yet in the case of this article to consider Rowling’s feelings, particularly when it comes after the fandom views section, is to suggest ‘here is what others have said now here is what Rowling has said and as she is the author she must be right.’
I still disagree with the manner in which Rowling's view is used to 'trump' all others, but I seem to stand fairly alone on the issue so I will, in Acemyth's words, move on. I have to say I am impressed by the quality and passion of his arguments; it was a most enjoyable duel.
Sorry to drag up old issues, but I found this quote and automatically thought of our little discussion; "The democracy of reading means that as soon as a book is published you lose control of how it's interpreted anyhow, and so you should. To tell someone else how to read your book is to fall into the temptation of fundamentalism." ~Philip Pullman
To avoid further confussion, let me make a note that Ginny's first name is Ginevra, since it says so here. It was beileved by fans that her name was Virginia for several years, because Ginny is a common nickname for Virginia.
Ginny's eyes are light brown, because it said so in Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets towards the end of Chapter Three: The Burrow. Confussion probably arises because Ginny's eyes are clearly green in the film.
But it is said in the American version of Harry Potter and the Chambers of Secrets, near the end of chapter III that Ginny's eyes are green.
Ok. The article is now requested for a peer review. As an editor/user, what can I do? -- Jotomicron | talk 11:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I think you will find that JKR has not included years on any of the birthdates (infact I think you will find there are no years included in any of the books. The dates that people give are derived assuming that the first Harry potter book happened the year it was published. This however is never stated in the books or in any interviews. In the most recent book, the Prime Minister of the UK makes an apperance but is never physically described or called by name. This lends evidence to the idea that the books are not set in a specific time. Dalf | Talk 02:56, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
JK Rowling gave an interview recently that contains some interesting information about Ginny. She also said that there was not a bond created when Harry saved her life in book 2.
"MA: Does she have a life debt to Harry from book two?
JKR: No, not really. Wormtail is different. You know, part of me would just love to explain the whole thing to you, plot of book seven, you know, I honestly would." (From part 3)
Here's the interview: Part 1 Part 2 Part 3
I wish you put spoiler tags on that... JONJONAUG 21:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Hi. Shouldn't there be a specific mention about how Ginny is the seventh daughter of the Weasly's, and how number 7 is a powerful number in the magical world, as Voldemort says in book 6? Yeah, it's written in the article how Ginny is the youngest of the seven Weasly's, but I think we should underline how important the number 7 is. This is just an opinion, but it does look like the number 7 might be important in book 7 (heh, sorry about that). :) Comments about this? I don't wanna change the article just to have it changed back, so I'm asking here. Raystorm 15:32, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
Steggall 18:00, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
MA: Does she have a larger importance; the Tom Riddle stuff, being the seventh girl - JKR: The backstory with Ginny was, she was the first girl to arrive in the Weasley family in generations, but there's that old tradition of the seventh daughter of a seventh daughter and a seventh son of a seventh son, so that's why she's the seventh, because she is a gifted witch. I think you get hints of that, because she does some pretty impressive stuff here and there, and you'll see that again. |
One of Ginny's most distinctive traits is left out of the article: she's a very good mimic. Off the top of my head, I can remember her imitating Umbridge's "hem hem" so well at the Hog's Head in OP that she scared several people, imitating Hermione jumping up and down in her seat, imitating Ron missing a goal when Keeping, and I'm sure there are other examples in the later books. User:Angr 11:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
I disagree, by the points:
I have removed twice the phrase describing Ginny's hair as "a mane of vivid red hair" I have removed it for the followign reasons:
Tone is a big problem with a lot of articles on fictional works and I think we should strive to keep this article in an encyclopedic tone. Dalf | Talk 02:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
If you still have a problem with this sentence, perhaps we should get a few more people to weigh in. :) 70.48.165.92 02:59, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
It is a matter of encyclopedic style, the POV thing still stands in cases where there is a objective fact from the books, then it being harry's POV does not matter. If for example he were making an subjective assessment "carrots taste bad" then we could not use that as proof that in the Harry Potter univers carrots taste bad. I am afraid that vivd and lookign liek fire etc are not objective. But, you can have red over ginger. Can you find more instances of her having a mane? This is largly that the diffrence between simply having long red hair and haveing a vivid mane of red hair is not one of strict definition. In an encyclopedia you don't add flowery words that do not actualy convey any more information simply because you like them. In a case where they will add somethign to the article you put them in quotations and include a refrence. Dalf | Talk 04:37, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
LOL! It reads like purple prose, because it is purple prose!
I added the weasel words tag to the "Ginny in the Harry Potter fandom" section, due to the frequent use of the weasel words "many" and "some." 70.52.230.152 00:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Ginny Weasley/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Certainly close to Featured Article status - although it should perhaps go though the step of acquiring Good Article status first. This would enable editors to target more areas for improvement before this exalted level is proclaimed. The main concern I would have is the need for more third party content, verifiable of course and this with plenty of citations and references. :: Kevinalewis : (Talk Page)/ (Desk) 10:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC) |
Last edited at 10:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC). Substituted at 20:12, 26 September 2016 (UTC)