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A lot of polls are showing the Bloc as forming the Official Opposition, so I assume this would be appropriate, just in case.
Rank: | 24th Leader of the Official Opposition |
First Term of Office: | January 15 1996 - February 16 1996 |
Second Term of Office: | March 15 1997 - June 1 1997 |
Third Term of Office: | February 2006 - present |
First Predecessor: | Lucien Bouchard |
Second Predecessor: | Michel Gauthier |
Third Predecessor: | Stephen Harper |
Birth: | July 22, 1947 |
Place of Birth: | Montreal, Quebec |
Political Party: | Bloc Québécois |
The introductory paragraph of an article should explain why this person is notable, so I have added the key facts about who he is, i.e., MP and leader of the BQ. Also, until Quebec is independent, the article should identify what country he is from in the introductory paragraph, so I have added back in the link to Canada, after the province. Kevintoronto 21:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Also, I noticed that the evidence for GD as marxist is no longer there. I know that indeed he was a marxist (even maoist, right?), but I do think the bio need cite evidence of this. Garbopash 14:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
this is quite the creepy image and it seem to have been photoshoped a bit. I'm surprise it would be his official picture.-- Marc pasquin 18:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just a little comment:
Whenever I read "well-known Québécois actor", it sounds odd as I always used quebecer and not québécois for one is clearly in english while the other in french. I never use Quebecois in English so I wondered why anyone else would. Unless if it was meant derogatorily. I hope no one was stupid enough to input personnal feelings or polical views in this!
Non, parce que c'est une formule originalement française qui a eté emprunté dans l'anglais.
According to the Grand Dictionnaire Terminologique (www.granddictonnaire.com), which is the official terminology database of the Quebec government, the terms "Québécois", "Quebecois", "Quebecer" and "Quebecker" are equally acceptable (and of equivalent meaning) in English. Hugo Dufort 20:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Duceppe is one of the French boy's name that came off the Franch Jail Boat.... So he is a Native-French....
Meti are a culture is from the west and Québécois are Native-French that never left... Quebec is a native word and not french... Its a word that the french hijack over time... The British did not set out, however, to persecute Quebec's native French population. The Quebec Act, passed in 1774, allowed the Quebecois to have religious freedom.
Also at the time was slavery of native population... so to state that your native descendent are would bring about bad things like capture or get shot… That’s why many left and changed to Métis… I know because I am from Métis-Quebecois… And we had to keep are mouths shut and go to church or no job or money went to you… we the French people who the Algonquin adopted…created the nation of people called Quebecois…
Don't forget that it's like 270 years of new Native-French kids being born...to 1774
The word Nation is used in Canada to describe First Nations Natives like the Cree-Nation so when you talk about the Quebecois they are mostly the Native-French descendents who lived and created Quebec city before 1774… Not Meti who are from the west... If your family tree dates back that far then your a Quebecois.
France back then in 1500 did not build jails they just ship you here to Quebec…it was way to get development going here…
When my great grandfather came over on one boat escaping prosecution he had to change his last name... I think it was a way to track down his descendents... The story was handed down to show the truth how we got here...
Father Paul Le Jeune proposed to the governor, Champlain that they try to promote Huron-French intermarriage. Champlain agreed not only for religious reasons, but also because intermarriage was a way of further cementing French-Native alliances. He also thought that by building a settlement in the Huron country, the French/Huron population could complete the exploration of the continent.26 While the Huron were ambivalent about accepting this proposal, the French court accepted and still promoted it during the late 1660s, namely that French and Natives “mingle” and “constitute only one people and one race.”
I'm reverting the edit that talks about Duceppe getting fired. Aside from it being sloppily done (the sentence doesn't even end), I can't find anything more than this speaking of his work at the hospital. If you have a reference, you can add the information back, although it probably shouldn't go in the introduction, since it's not very relevant. Also, this shows Duceppe as a negotiator. FireWorks 23:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Could somebody clear up the education aspect of things. It is written that he completed his baccalaureate of collegiate studies after studies at Université de Montréal
"Duceppe later earned a baccalaureate of collegiate studies from the Collège Mont-Saint-Louis."
Yet it seems he got this diploma in 1968 and years at Université de Montréal write about the paper in 1970. That would make his university years after is baccalaureate of collegiate studies not before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.161.49 ( talk) 02:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The simple addition of these two quotes, and only these quotes is very sub-par and uninformative, and practically seems partisan (i.e. it feels like it's added by a partisan Conservative supporter):
This does nothing to describe the man, and how he often represents as a politician. I don't even know how these quotes are interesting, despite being current, he has said many conflicting things recently, and such quotes that may represent a need to maintain their influential position in the Canadian government as the balance of power, and prop up the Conservative government. It just doesn't meet the quality standards to make an addition in Wikipedia, and that is my general sense. It sounds like an endorsement of the Conservative government, and this just isn't the place to skew things with a partisan bias. Thank you, and don't take this personally. 209.226.121.182 12:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Now we are accusing the ruling party of larceny, WOW. first of all, for something to be "stolen" it must be owned by someone/thing else first. Votes are not owned by a political party, people are free to vote as they wish. Perhaps you should offer up some more quotes that would better represent the man then? rather than just deleting these.
-- Jadger 23:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
As an interesting side note, compare the educational background of the leaders of the separatist movement to the leaders of other major parties in Canada. The new leader of the Liberal party holds a PhD, the leader of the NDP holds a PhD, and the leader of the Conservatives holds a Master's degree (with original research). On the other hand, Duceppe holds what amounts essentially to a CEGEP diploma and Boisclair holds a one year Master's degree from a special program at Harvard that does not require candidates to hold a previous undergraduate degree (which Boisclair does not). Furthermore, unlike Harper's Master' degree, Boisclair did not contribute original research while studying. In fact, the only thing that got Boisclair into the JFK school of government was his years of service as an elected politician and $33,000 USD – hardly the exemplar of a brilliant mind.
The separatist movement in Quebec – in comparison to their opposition – is lead by unread, uneducated, populist leaders. That sums up the PQ's and the Bloc's values – populism over substance or intellect.
My point isn't that the PQ was never led by intelligent people in the past (in fact that is part of the reason why separatists had been so successful), but are led by ignorant people now. The demographics of Quebec are changing and so are the PQ's. If the best the PQ could come up with for the last election was Boisclair, Quebec will not be leaving Canada any time soon. I believe that by and large, young and middle-aged intellectual Quebecers (ie people living big cities) are fine with staying in Canada. The separatist vote can't get above 45% in the foreseeable future - and Marois knows it!
Actually I find the movement to be very bourgeois and exclusivist, not ignorant and populist CJ DUB 15:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'm just saying what they are; not what their appeal is. Anyway, I think you just proved my point for me that people support the cause and not always the bourgeois leaders. CJ DUB 12:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The article includes a often-told story from Duceppe's childhood: "Duceppe's English-speaking Grade 6 teacher slapped him for complaining when the French students had to stand in the aisles on a school bus, and he slapped her back." This event is obviously seared into Duceppe's memory since it influenced his future thinking about Quebec's place in the Canadian federation. I would be interested in learning more about this story, especially since it involves a particularly Old South type of discrimination, i.e., on school buses, French students stand and English students sit. Also, what happened after the dual slapping? Did either the teacher (do we know her name?) or Duceppe get suspended? What have we heard from the students who witnessed this incident? I'm not sure we need a blow-by-blow account of the story in the Duceppe article, but I am curious what is known about it. Que-Can 17:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The school bus story sounds made up; an obvious allegory to the quebequois experience of life in Canada. CJ DUB 15:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Oct 11th, 2008, repaired vandalism regarding political action taken and "ethnic cleansing" in Quebec. I recommend we keep a close eye on this in light of the election coming up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.243.105 ( talk) 01:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
He is very critical of creationists and of the conservatives for being a "party of creationists". I think more should be put here about whether he is a religious man or not. I believe he is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.243.221 ( talk) 04:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I found one source asking about the party leaders' view of religion in public life and it said that he didn't comment but reconfirmed his atheism. I can't remember the url though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.91.6 ( talk) 06:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
According to this, Duceppe resigned as BQ leader "nine days after" the May 2 fed election. GoodDay ( talk) 14:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
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A lot of polls are showing the Bloc as forming the Official Opposition, so I assume this would be appropriate, just in case.
Rank: | 24th Leader of the Official Opposition |
First Term of Office: | January 15 1996 - February 16 1996 |
Second Term of Office: | March 15 1997 - June 1 1997 |
Third Term of Office: | February 2006 - present |
First Predecessor: | Lucien Bouchard |
Second Predecessor: | Michel Gauthier |
Third Predecessor: | Stephen Harper |
Birth: | July 22, 1947 |
Place of Birth: | Montreal, Quebec |
Political Party: | Bloc Québécois |
The introductory paragraph of an article should explain why this person is notable, so I have added the key facts about who he is, i.e., MP and leader of the BQ. Also, until Quebec is independent, the article should identify what country he is from in the introductory paragraph, so I have added back in the link to Canada, after the province. Kevintoronto 21:24, 21 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Also, I noticed that the evidence for GD as marxist is no longer there. I know that indeed he was a marxist (even maoist, right?), but I do think the bio need cite evidence of this. Garbopash 14:52, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
this is quite the creepy image and it seem to have been photoshoped a bit. I'm surprise it would be his official picture.-- Marc pasquin 18:09, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Just a little comment:
Whenever I read "well-known Québécois actor", it sounds odd as I always used quebecer and not québécois for one is clearly in english while the other in french. I never use Quebecois in English so I wondered why anyone else would. Unless if it was meant derogatorily. I hope no one was stupid enough to input personnal feelings or polical views in this!
Non, parce que c'est une formule originalement française qui a eté emprunté dans l'anglais.
According to the Grand Dictionnaire Terminologique (www.granddictonnaire.com), which is the official terminology database of the Quebec government, the terms "Québécois", "Quebecois", "Quebecer" and "Quebecker" are equally acceptable (and of equivalent meaning) in English. Hugo Dufort 20:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Duceppe is one of the French boy's name that came off the Franch Jail Boat.... So he is a Native-French....
Meti are a culture is from the west and Québécois are Native-French that never left... Quebec is a native word and not french... Its a word that the french hijack over time... The British did not set out, however, to persecute Quebec's native French population. The Quebec Act, passed in 1774, allowed the Quebecois to have religious freedom.
Also at the time was slavery of native population... so to state that your native descendent are would bring about bad things like capture or get shot… That’s why many left and changed to Métis… I know because I am from Métis-Quebecois… And we had to keep are mouths shut and go to church or no job or money went to you… we the French people who the Algonquin adopted…created the nation of people called Quebecois…
Don't forget that it's like 270 years of new Native-French kids being born...to 1774
The word Nation is used in Canada to describe First Nations Natives like the Cree-Nation so when you talk about the Quebecois they are mostly the Native-French descendents who lived and created Quebec city before 1774… Not Meti who are from the west... If your family tree dates back that far then your a Quebecois.
France back then in 1500 did not build jails they just ship you here to Quebec…it was way to get development going here…
When my great grandfather came over on one boat escaping prosecution he had to change his last name... I think it was a way to track down his descendents... The story was handed down to show the truth how we got here...
Father Paul Le Jeune proposed to the governor, Champlain that they try to promote Huron-French intermarriage. Champlain agreed not only for religious reasons, but also because intermarriage was a way of further cementing French-Native alliances. He also thought that by building a settlement in the Huron country, the French/Huron population could complete the exploration of the continent.26 While the Huron were ambivalent about accepting this proposal, the French court accepted and still promoted it during the late 1660s, namely that French and Natives “mingle” and “constitute only one people and one race.”
I'm reverting the edit that talks about Duceppe getting fired. Aside from it being sloppily done (the sentence doesn't even end), I can't find anything more than this speaking of his work at the hospital. If you have a reference, you can add the information back, although it probably shouldn't go in the introduction, since it's not very relevant. Also, this shows Duceppe as a negotiator. FireWorks 23:49, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
Could somebody clear up the education aspect of things. It is written that he completed his baccalaureate of collegiate studies after studies at Université de Montréal
"Duceppe later earned a baccalaureate of collegiate studies from the Collège Mont-Saint-Louis."
Yet it seems he got this diploma in 1968 and years at Université de Montréal write about the paper in 1970. That would make his university years after is baccalaureate of collegiate studies not before. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.200.161.49 ( talk) 02:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)
The simple addition of these two quotes, and only these quotes is very sub-par and uninformative, and practically seems partisan (i.e. it feels like it's added by a partisan Conservative supporter):
This does nothing to describe the man, and how he often represents as a politician. I don't even know how these quotes are interesting, despite being current, he has said many conflicting things recently, and such quotes that may represent a need to maintain their influential position in the Canadian government as the balance of power, and prop up the Conservative government. It just doesn't meet the quality standards to make an addition in Wikipedia, and that is my general sense. It sounds like an endorsement of the Conservative government, and this just isn't the place to skew things with a partisan bias. Thank you, and don't take this personally. 209.226.121.182 12:07, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
Now we are accusing the ruling party of larceny, WOW. first of all, for something to be "stolen" it must be owned by someone/thing else first. Votes are not owned by a political party, people are free to vote as they wish. Perhaps you should offer up some more quotes that would better represent the man then? rather than just deleting these.
-- Jadger 23:04, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
As an interesting side note, compare the educational background of the leaders of the separatist movement to the leaders of other major parties in Canada. The new leader of the Liberal party holds a PhD, the leader of the NDP holds a PhD, and the leader of the Conservatives holds a Master's degree (with original research). On the other hand, Duceppe holds what amounts essentially to a CEGEP diploma and Boisclair holds a one year Master's degree from a special program at Harvard that does not require candidates to hold a previous undergraduate degree (which Boisclair does not). Furthermore, unlike Harper's Master' degree, Boisclair did not contribute original research while studying. In fact, the only thing that got Boisclair into the JFK school of government was his years of service as an elected politician and $33,000 USD – hardly the exemplar of a brilliant mind.
The separatist movement in Quebec – in comparison to their opposition – is lead by unread, uneducated, populist leaders. That sums up the PQ's and the Bloc's values – populism over substance or intellect.
My point isn't that the PQ was never led by intelligent people in the past (in fact that is part of the reason why separatists had been so successful), but are led by ignorant people now. The demographics of Quebec are changing and so are the PQ's. If the best the PQ could come up with for the last election was Boisclair, Quebec will not be leaving Canada any time soon. I believe that by and large, young and middle-aged intellectual Quebecers (ie people living big cities) are fine with staying in Canada. The separatist vote can't get above 45% in the foreseeable future - and Marois knows it!
Actually I find the movement to be very bourgeois and exclusivist, not ignorant and populist CJ DUB 15:29, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey, I'm just saying what they are; not what their appeal is. Anyway, I think you just proved my point for me that people support the cause and not always the bourgeois leaders. CJ DUB 12:58, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
The article includes a often-told story from Duceppe's childhood: "Duceppe's English-speaking Grade 6 teacher slapped him for complaining when the French students had to stand in the aisles on a school bus, and he slapped her back." This event is obviously seared into Duceppe's memory since it influenced his future thinking about Quebec's place in the Canadian federation. I would be interested in learning more about this story, especially since it involves a particularly Old South type of discrimination, i.e., on school buses, French students stand and English students sit. Also, what happened after the dual slapping? Did either the teacher (do we know her name?) or Duceppe get suspended? What have we heard from the students who witnessed this incident? I'm not sure we need a blow-by-blow account of the story in the Duceppe article, but I am curious what is known about it. Que-Can 17:06, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
The school bus story sounds made up; an obvious allegory to the quebequois experience of life in Canada. CJ DUB 15:27, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
Oct 11th, 2008, repaired vandalism regarding political action taken and "ethnic cleansing" in Quebec. I recommend we keep a close eye on this in light of the election coming up. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.59.243.105 ( talk) 01:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
He is very critical of creationists and of the conservatives for being a "party of creationists". I think more should be put here about whether he is a religious man or not. I believe he is not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.32.243.221 ( talk) 04:58, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
I found one source asking about the party leaders' view of religion in public life and it said that he didn't comment but reconfirmed his atheism. I can't remember the url though. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.41.91.6 ( talk) 06:52, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
According to this, Duceppe resigned as BQ leader "nine days after" the May 2 fed election. GoodDay ( talk) 14:37, 14 December 2011 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
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