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Scanning the article, I see statements that Gil Student Modern Orthodox. However, some statements attributed to Gil Student sound like Student is Haredi. In particular, Student attends Haredi synagogues, not modern synagogues. Was he for a time Modern, then switched to Haredi? Does he straddle? I wish I would see in the article a simple and clear statement about where he stands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indinfer ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I have written a totally new article. I had not known about the previous "goings on" about this person. I am fully certain that this person is notable enough to have an article about him in Wikipedia (I can cite many cases of far less notable rabbis or persons who have their own articles if need be!) Gil Student has written, and continues to publish, much that has gained a lot of attention from many quarters and his name continues to be associated with a number of important controversies that deal with modern-day Jewish life, particularly as relating to Modern Orthodox Judaism; Orthodox Judaism; Haredi Judaism; and Hasidic Judaism. Thank you. IZAK
I note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gil Student and the very doubtful decision to delete. There was really no consensus there. JFW | T@lk 11:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Rabbi Student is an alumnus of Frisch High School? Of what possible relevance is this? Jayjg (talk) 04:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this designation was removed. Is the assertion here that he is also the current Lubavitcher Rebbe? Jayjg (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Got it. Still, the current wording is confusing; would you object to it saying "the last Lubavitcher Rebbe", as he is described in the article about him? Jayjg (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
How about critques on Gil and some of his methods? Like the famous letter by the famous tzadik and talmid chochom of note, Dr. Stern? I think this is relevant--or at least as relevant of so-called controversies surrounding individuals like Rav Eliashiv. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidCharlesII ( talk • contribs)
To clarify, wikipedia is not the place to do a critique of anyone. (Wikipedia has a policy against original research, which would include your own review of any subject, either positive or negative). However, since Student is no stranger to controversy, mentioning some of the people who have crticized him in public forums and their arguments would not be out of the scope of the article. I'm not familiar with the letter or person in question who you're mentioning, but if you can find sources for things, feel free to add to try and improve the article. -- Bachrach44 15:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Your improvements are terrific, thank you very much. Lobojo ( talk) 02:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
If the subject of the article self-edits the article, it raises concerns of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest policy. Especially since the edit is deleting undisputed information contained herein. I'm not sure why this would be "whitewashed", but this is factual information that, as Alansohn pointed out on talk , may be useful in understanding the background of the subject and the influence on the subjects personal views and upbringing. I can't understand why publishing this may irk him, but that certainly is no reason to remove it.
I don't know if theres a pattern, as there was some concern raised on the delete vote for this article that the subject made a blog post requesting people to come to Wikipedia to vote for him for Wikipedia to maintain this article, but this article should maintain factual information regarding subjects graduate information from Solomon Schechter elementary school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homehouse ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Hirhurim Homehouse ( talk) 17:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
This is Gil Student writing. I edited my bio on request by those more familiar with Wikipedia than I am. I did not realize that it is inappropriate.
I can confirm that I attended Solomon Schechter Day School of Bergen County for elementary school. I only made that change once. I find it ridiculous that it is in a short bio but I won't object. But if you want it to be that detailed then you might want to add the following:
Feel free to incorporate that information as appropriate. Gstudent ( talk) 21:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
The article sources at http://www.jstandard.com/articles/3375/1/A-dream-come-true and at http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005/12/thank-god-for-modern-orthodox-world.html that Gil Student was a non-Orthodox Jew (attending Solomon Schechter school), and is currently and Orthodox Rabbi (as the lead indicates.)
That would constitute making Gil Student falling into the "Baalei teshuva" category that he is listed under. There is no reason to delete that. Regardless of how you define "Baalei teshuva", Mr. Student fits into it. Either he raised his observance level and became Orthodox or he was non-religious and became a religous Jew. A classical case of a biography that properly falls into the "Baalei teshuva" category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.206.228 ( talk) 21:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
This post is attributing to the source things that weren't stated in the source. He didn't say he was a "member" only that he "attended". And he says the blog wouldn't exist if he'd attended Schechter, he did not say that he's orthodox because he went to an orthodox high school. While these conclusions may or may not be true, please don't attribute statements to the sources that weren't explicitly stated. -- MPerel 04:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
(<-)I am coming here at the request of Qwertyqazqaz1. My immediate response is to Lobojo. Churlish, or not, please remember the Wikipedia requires no original research or synthesis. It may seem obvious, but this is not an example of Wikipedia:Common knowledge—an example would be that the daytime sky on planet Earth is usually colored blue—so if there is no source that explicitly states Rabbi Student's non-Orthodoxy as a young person, making the syllogism that attendance at a Conservative school/synagogue implies non-Orthodoxy is a violation of the rules against original research and synthesis. This may see harsh, but the policy is firm. Consider that it impartially protects agains more radical and destructive syntheses without having to require judgement (which will differ for each person) as to the nature of the synthesis. -- Avi ( talk) 16:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
A blog post is not generally a reliable source, but it certainly is a reliable source about a statement by the individual himself, about the individual himself. The source added that states "Looking back now in my post-BT days to my pre-BT days, many years ago, it seems that I had two major questions on Orthodoxy that I had assembled during my nine years of Solomon Schechter elementary education." would seem to be rather unambiguous support for characterizing Student as a BT. Now that there is an appropriate source, it would seem that this issue has been resolved. Alansohn ( talk) 16:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've added an edit with the additional sourced information on his background. It goes out of the way to precisely convey what the source states. In addition, the edit puts the background in chronological order. Homehouse ( talk) 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The parentheses in the "Attention on the Internet" section reading "(This is, however, an incorrect statement. Many Hareidi Jews consider the legal sections of the Talmud to be off limits to women. However, most Hareidi women learn other parts of Torah such as the Hebrew Bible and Codes of Jewish Law. And nearly all Modern Orthodox Jews support women's learning of any part of Torah or Talmud they desire.)" is itself mistaken. Whoever wrote it accurately wrote that Haredi learn parts of Torah such as the Bible. This is true, and must be the reason that Student referred to "advanced learning" i.e. Talmudic learning. 184.75.33.92 ( talk) 04:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I found the mention that he "declined to run an ad" pretty much incomprehensible and irrelevant. Is there at least a source for this bit of trivia? MikeR613 ( talk) 16:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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Scanning the article, I see statements that Gil Student Modern Orthodox. However, some statements attributed to Gil Student sound like Student is Haredi. In particular, Student attends Haredi synagogues, not modern synagogues. Was he for a time Modern, then switched to Haredi? Does he straddle? I wish I would see in the article a simple and clear statement about where he stands. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Indinfer ( talk • contribs) 16:40, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Hello, I have written a totally new article. I had not known about the previous "goings on" about this person. I am fully certain that this person is notable enough to have an article about him in Wikipedia (I can cite many cases of far less notable rabbis or persons who have their own articles if need be!) Gil Student has written, and continues to publish, much that has gained a lot of attention from many quarters and his name continues to be associated with a number of important controversies that deal with modern-day Jewish life, particularly as relating to Modern Orthodox Judaism; Orthodox Judaism; Haredi Judaism; and Hasidic Judaism. Thank you. IZAK
I note Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gil Student and the very doubtful decision to delete. There was really no consensus there. JFW | T@lk 11:11, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
Rabbi Student is an alumnus of Frisch High School? Of what possible relevance is this? Jayjg (talk) 04:14, 28 December 2005 (UTC)
I'm not sure why this designation was removed. Is the assertion here that he is also the current Lubavitcher Rebbe? Jayjg (talk) 22:49, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
Got it. Still, the current wording is confusing; would you object to it saying "the last Lubavitcher Rebbe", as he is described in the article about him? Jayjg (talk) 15:51, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
How about critques on Gil and some of his methods? Like the famous letter by the famous tzadik and talmid chochom of note, Dr. Stern? I think this is relevant--or at least as relevant of so-called controversies surrounding individuals like Rav Eliashiv. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DavidCharlesII ( talk • contribs)
To clarify, wikipedia is not the place to do a critique of anyone. (Wikipedia has a policy against original research, which would include your own review of any subject, either positive or negative). However, since Student is no stranger to controversy, mentioning some of the people who have crticized him in public forums and their arguments would not be out of the scope of the article. I'm not familiar with the letter or person in question who you're mentioning, but if you can find sources for things, feel free to add to try and improve the article. -- Bachrach44 15:11, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
Your improvements are terrific, thank you very much. Lobojo ( talk) 02:51, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
If the subject of the article self-edits the article, it raises concerns of Wikipedia:Conflict of interest policy. Especially since the edit is deleting undisputed information contained herein. I'm not sure why this would be "whitewashed", but this is factual information that, as Alansohn pointed out on talk , may be useful in understanding the background of the subject and the influence on the subjects personal views and upbringing. I can't understand why publishing this may irk him, but that certainly is no reason to remove it.
I don't know if theres a pattern, as there was some concern raised on the delete vote for this article that the subject made a blog post requesting people to come to Wikipedia to vote for him for Wikipedia to maintain this article, but this article should maintain factual information regarding subjects graduate information from Solomon Schechter elementary school. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Homehouse ( talk • contribs) 16:42, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
Hirhurim Homehouse ( talk) 17:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
This is Gil Student writing. I edited my bio on request by those more familiar with Wikipedia than I am. I did not realize that it is inappropriate.
I can confirm that I attended Solomon Schechter Day School of Bergen County for elementary school. I only made that change once. I find it ridiculous that it is in a short bio but I won't object. But if you want it to be that detailed then you might want to add the following:
Feel free to incorporate that information as appropriate. Gstudent ( talk) 21:47, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
The article sources at http://www.jstandard.com/articles/3375/1/A-dream-come-true and at http://hirhurim.blogspot.com/2005/12/thank-god-for-modern-orthodox-world.html that Gil Student was a non-Orthodox Jew (attending Solomon Schechter school), and is currently and Orthodox Rabbi (as the lead indicates.)
That would constitute making Gil Student falling into the "Baalei teshuva" category that he is listed under. There is no reason to delete that. Regardless of how you define "Baalei teshuva", Mr. Student fits into it. Either he raised his observance level and became Orthodox or he was non-religious and became a religous Jew. A classical case of a biography that properly falls into the "Baalei teshuva" category. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.77.206.228 ( talk) 21:45, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
This post is attributing to the source things that weren't stated in the source. He didn't say he was a "member" only that he "attended". And he says the blog wouldn't exist if he'd attended Schechter, he did not say that he's orthodox because he went to an orthodox high school. While these conclusions may or may not be true, please don't attribute statements to the sources that weren't explicitly stated. -- MPerel 04:50, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
(<-)I am coming here at the request of Qwertyqazqaz1. My immediate response is to Lobojo. Churlish, or not, please remember the Wikipedia requires no original research or synthesis. It may seem obvious, but this is not an example of Wikipedia:Common knowledge—an example would be that the daytime sky on planet Earth is usually colored blue—so if there is no source that explicitly states Rabbi Student's non-Orthodoxy as a young person, making the syllogism that attendance at a Conservative school/synagogue implies non-Orthodoxy is a violation of the rules against original research and synthesis. This may see harsh, but the policy is firm. Consider that it impartially protects agains more radical and destructive syntheses without having to require judgement (which will differ for each person) as to the nature of the synthesis. -- Avi ( talk) 16:21, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
A blog post is not generally a reliable source, but it certainly is a reliable source about a statement by the individual himself, about the individual himself. The source added that states "Looking back now in my post-BT days to my pre-BT days, many years ago, it seems that I had two major questions on Orthodoxy that I had assembled during my nine years of Solomon Schechter elementary education." would seem to be rather unambiguous support for characterizing Student as a BT. Now that there is an appropriate source, it would seem that this issue has been resolved. Alansohn ( talk) 16:37, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
I've added an edit with the additional sourced information on his background. It goes out of the way to precisely convey what the source states. In addition, the edit puts the background in chronological order. Homehouse ( talk) 21:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The parentheses in the "Attention on the Internet" section reading "(This is, however, an incorrect statement. Many Hareidi Jews consider the legal sections of the Talmud to be off limits to women. However, most Hareidi women learn other parts of Torah such as the Hebrew Bible and Codes of Jewish Law. And nearly all Modern Orthodox Jews support women's learning of any part of Torah or Talmud they desire.)" is itself mistaken. Whoever wrote it accurately wrote that Haredi learn parts of Torah such as the Bible. This is true, and must be the reason that Student referred to "advanced learning" i.e. Talmudic learning. 184.75.33.92 ( talk) 04:14, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I found the mention that he "declined to run an ad" pretty much incomprehensible and irrelevant. Is there at least a source for this bit of trivia? MikeR613 ( talk) 16:04, 19 November 2015 (UTC)
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