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The wording in the last sentence paragraph 3 in the "Personal Life" section is a little shaky. Just a comment. Russ_Frank 28 Apr 07
I have heard rumors, and up until the Sara Sidle romantic shocker at the end of this season, that Grissom may be gay. This is backed by his habit of not dating, or talking about his private life, and his initial rebuff of female characters (including Sidle and Cathrine Willows). It would also explain his apparent ease at the somewhat kinky world of Madime whatshername.
Bytebear 19:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Grissom has dated in the seris a few times. Ok, maybe once. And... it wasn't really a date. But just because he doesn't have an apparent social life doesn't mean he's gay. 70.30.158.135 03:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
When did he began shaving that ridiculous beard?
The article states that he is a Ph.D. I have not seen every episode, but wonder about the source for this. The CBS biography only states that he went to college. 72.73.85.77 20:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
He's frequently referred to has "Dr. Grissom," but I don't know any more specifics than that. Presumably his Ph.D. is in entomology. -- 75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
In the first season, a suspect asks Grissom to give him a prescription for a "spider bite" (actually the victim's dental impression), to which Grissom replies "I'm a PhD, not an MD." 86.143.162.224 14:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I remember seeing a doctorate diploma from the University of Chicago in the background of his office in one of the early season episodes but I can't recall which episode... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.138.146 ( talk) 11:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Grissom is not leaving , He's on sabbatical.
I saw the previews for the new CSI episode, and it looks like Grissom's leaving. Do you know any more about this? I did mention it in the article though. Karrmann 01:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Under trivia, its says that he pronounces the "v" in "Nevada" as IPA [β]. I changed that to [v]. [β] is a bilabial fricative, and, although I am not an expert on American dialects, I am unaware of any English spoken there that uses bilabials consistently. I think that a labiodental [v] is more likely. Besides which, wouldn't the different pronunciations of "Nevada" depend more on the vowel? (As in [nə'vædə] vs. [nə'vadə])
This sentence
He possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, over whom ultimately defeats him in death ...
doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what the writer is trying to convey. Anyone have any suggestions? -- 75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
In the trivia section it mentions that Grissom has a dog... in what episode/season is this mentioned? I've never come across bit of trivia before and to be honest I'm slightly suspicious of it's validity. Crydwyn 213.78.53.8 02:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
He definitely had a dog, but I can't remember an episode ref. More pressingly, gotta kill that trivia section. Editus Reloaded 19:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The dog is called Hank in the show but is called Bruno in real life and is William Peterson's dog. Bruno also makes a brief appearance in season 8 episode 12 - Grissom's Divine Comedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.14.81 ( talk) 22:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I deleted this section - basically, it was just a really short recap of the events of a few episodes. Now that we're seven seasons into the show, I didn't see the significance of these particular episodes (or this particular serial killer) over other episodes, killers, and events. In fact, I'd say that this information is so trivial as to not be necessary in a character bio at all (it certainly belongs in the episode articles, and the informatin is already there). Also, this section could become dangerously similar to a trivia section, which has already (and rightly so) been eliminated, with the information integrated into other sections of the article. Soojmagooj 04:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
204.16.43.47 01:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen this theory in several places. He's a loner, not very social, sometimes awkward, and has seemingly narrow interests. Has anyone ever heard anyone from the show state that he's supposed to be autistic or Asperger's? I personally think he's too good at subtle facial expressions, which is usually a problem for people with Asperger's. Of course this is probably because William Petersen is good at facial expressions.
I have quick-failed this GA because it has no references. The lead section is very short as well, and needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Wrad 21:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
One thing that this article is missing is how the character was created. He's talked about as if he were real. We need to know more about the actor. How was he chosen for the role? Why did writers make him the way he is? Also, how is the character received by the general public? Is he popular? What have reviews said about him? Wrad 20:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I have quick-failed this GA because none of the previous issues have been addressed. The article is written as if Gil is a real person and as Wrad mentions, nothing about how he was cast. There are still too few inline citations and this needs to be corrected before any further GA nomination. Centy – – 22:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the picture showing Gil signing to "Tom Haviland," the character is cited as being played by Chad Michael Murray, whom looks NOTHING like the person in the picture. Unless a young guy was done up a LOT to look like an older person (which afaik hasn't been done in CSI), is this reference correct? Unless there's ANOTHER CMM and this one is simply linking to the wrong article...-- TheSweet 07:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
This is in response to Yaman's request. I really like how the references are coming. It looks a lot better. Here are a few things I might fix before renominating:
[ Good luck on GA! Wrad 22:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I feel bad for deleting the Sherlock part because probably a lot of people added to it, all the comparisons are based on facts, but i cannot find any confirmation that the producers (although they probably did) meant Grissom to be a 20th century Holmes. I'll save it on my hardrive and if i ever find a source i'll add it again.
(wish i could use uncyclopedia as a source: "Holmes called on some favours owed to him by Doctor Who and travelled to the 21st Century where he became an actor and played Gil Grissom in CSI.") Yamanbaiia 10:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The unsourced section in question:
That entire section is both speculation and WP:OR -- VorangorTheDemon 13:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Parallelism with Sherlock Holmes
Gil Grissom has a more than passing similarity to Sherlock Holmes. Like Holmes, Grissom is dispassionate with a fierce devotion to logic and little regard for societal norms of behavior; Grissom once smashed mustard jars in a grocery store to illustrate a theory (" I-15 Murders"), similarly, Holmes once practiced spearing a pig at a market to determine how strong a man would have to be to transfix a man with a harpoon.
Grissom possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, whom he pursues in several episodes ( "Pilot;", "Anonymous;" and "Identity Crisis"). Coincidentally, "Paul Millander" has the same initials as "Professor Moriarty." There's also a woman, Lady Heather, in whom he takes an unusual interest, their relationship is similar to that of Irene Adler and Holmes. Both Irene and Lady Heather enchant Holmes and Grissom with their beauty, their wit and their resolution. Lady Heather is, almost always, wearing victorian dresses which are reminiscent to Holmes' era (" Slaves of Las Vegas", " Lady Heather's Box", " Pirates of the Third Reich" and " The Good, the Bad, and the Dominatrix").
Yamanbaiia 12:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know what that "cause of death" "allign left" junk that is at the top of the aritcle? I'm trying to get rid of it, but when you go into edit, it isn't there. -- VorangorTheDemon 12:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Is such a large section even necessary? The relationship between Gil Grissom and Sara Sidle is amusing, but their relationship is not really important enough to Grissom's character (as pertaining to his primary role in the series) for an entire section, and I believe that the purpose of this large section is simply to be eye-candy for fans. Unfortunately, WP:ILIKEIT and WP:CRUFT don't agree with having a section that is so detailed, and taking up a good chunk of space, and it will without a doubt seriously inhibit the GA potential of this article. -- VorangorTheDemon 18:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Though overall a nicely written article, I am placing it on hold pending the resolution of a few small, easily addressable issues. Here is the list:
As I said, these are minor, easily fixed issues. Please leave me a note on my talk page if you would like me to re-review earlier than the 7-day period. Have a wiki day! Mmoyer 01:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Re-review completed, GA awarded! Good job to all!! Mmoyer 01:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The reference to Asperger's-like traits puzzles me - it looks like a term that tries to class Gil as a person with Asperger's while not meeting the [ [3]], particular the "repetitive, stereotyped behaviour". Granted, I'm not a psychologist, but I wondered if describing Gil Grissom as introverted would be more accurate. Autarch 17:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Grissom is introverted and detail-oriented and in an exchange with Nick Stokes when he suggested a suspect was "a high-functioning autistic man with superior right-brain ability", Stokes replied "Kind of sounds like you."
Grissom is introverted and detail-oriented, and in a second season episode was compared to a "high-functioning autistic man with superior right-brain ability"
Dose anybody know why Gil is leaving the show -- 72.250.234.4 ( talk) 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't have the chance to edit the article just now, but the actor's dog Bruno just showed up in "Grissom's Divine Comedy" with the in-show name of Hank. Grissom asks the shrink about whether Hank acting depressed could be because he was taking on his owner's feelings. I checked, and his first appearance is in the episode "Leapin' Lizards." He looks like he's a typical boxer, although if anyone else knows more about his breed then please add your info. Critterkeeper ( talk) 07:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
she is just mention once as a side relationship think she deserves maybe a sentence or two —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.247.222 ( talk) 01:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
If memory serves me, there was a scene in the episode " Alter Boys" where a Catholic priest deduces that Gil has a Catholic upbringing because he addressed the priest as "Father" rather than any other title. Can anyone confirm or remember the quote? I've found some quotes from the episode, but not the exact one that I want. It would be a useful reference for the article, giving more background to the character. Autarch ( talk) 12:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I added a citation needed template to the part about Peterson confirming not coming back as regular since William_Petersen#Career states he confirmed the opposite (I also did the same to the latter article). Olivier Diotte ( talk) 02:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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GA from 2007. There are many parts without sources or uses unreliable/primary sources. For instance, many claims in the Reception section are sourced to primary sources or none at all. I also see a lot of WP:CRUFT. Would need a lot of work to maintain GA status. Spinixster (chat!) 09:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
It is suggested in the article that "stop" is not he and lady heather's safe word-- this is canonically their safeword. See Immortality Part 1 33:05. I would edit it myself but I am unfamiliar with the process 2603:7000:A101:EF61:C9D4:DFA7:9416:2EC2 ( talk) 05:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)
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The wording in the last sentence paragraph 3 in the "Personal Life" section is a little shaky. Just a comment. Russ_Frank 28 Apr 07
I have heard rumors, and up until the Sara Sidle romantic shocker at the end of this season, that Grissom may be gay. This is backed by his habit of not dating, or talking about his private life, and his initial rebuff of female characters (including Sidle and Cathrine Willows). It would also explain his apparent ease at the somewhat kinky world of Madime whatshername.
Bytebear 19:15, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
Grissom has dated in the seris a few times. Ok, maybe once. And... it wasn't really a date. But just because he doesn't have an apparent social life doesn't mean he's gay. 70.30.158.135 03:03, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
When did he began shaving that ridiculous beard?
The article states that he is a Ph.D. I have not seen every episode, but wonder about the source for this. The CBS biography only states that he went to college. 72.73.85.77 20:45, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
He's frequently referred to has "Dr. Grissom," but I don't know any more specifics than that. Presumably his Ph.D. is in entomology. -- 75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
In the first season, a suspect asks Grissom to give him a prescription for a "spider bite" (actually the victim's dental impression), to which Grissom replies "I'm a PhD, not an MD." 86.143.162.224 14:50, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
I remember seeing a doctorate diploma from the University of Chicago in the background of his office in one of the early season episodes but I can't recall which episode... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.12.138.146 ( talk) 11:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
Grissom is not leaving , He's on sabbatical.
I saw the previews for the new CSI episode, and it looks like Grissom's leaving. Do you know any more about this? I did mention it in the article though. Karrmann 01:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
Under trivia, its says that he pronounces the "v" in "Nevada" as IPA [β]. I changed that to [v]. [β] is a bilabial fricative, and, although I am not an expert on American dialects, I am unaware of any English spoken there that uses bilabials consistently. I think that a labiodental [v] is more likely. Besides which, wouldn't the different pronunciations of "Nevada" depend more on the vowel? (As in [nə'vædə] vs. [nə'vadə])
This sentence
He possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, over whom ultimately defeats him in death ...
doesn't make any sense. I'm not sure what the writer is trying to convey. Anyone have any suggestions? -- 75.42.220.217 13:15, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
In the trivia section it mentions that Grissom has a dog... in what episode/season is this mentioned? I've never come across bit of trivia before and to be honest I'm slightly suspicious of it's validity. Crydwyn 213.78.53.8 02:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
He definitely had a dog, but I can't remember an episode ref. More pressingly, gotta kill that trivia section. Editus Reloaded 19:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
The dog is called Hank in the show but is called Bruno in real life and is William Peterson's dog. Bruno also makes a brief appearance in season 8 episode 12 - Grissom's Divine Comedy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.30.14.81 ( talk) 22:31, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
I deleted this section - basically, it was just a really short recap of the events of a few episodes. Now that we're seven seasons into the show, I didn't see the significance of these particular episodes (or this particular serial killer) over other episodes, killers, and events. In fact, I'd say that this information is so trivial as to not be necessary in a character bio at all (it certainly belongs in the episode articles, and the informatin is already there). Also, this section could become dangerously similar to a trivia section, which has already (and rightly so) been eliminated, with the information integrated into other sections of the article. Soojmagooj 04:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
204.16.43.47 01:03, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
I've seen this theory in several places. He's a loner, not very social, sometimes awkward, and has seemingly narrow interests. Has anyone ever heard anyone from the show state that he's supposed to be autistic or Asperger's? I personally think he's too good at subtle facial expressions, which is usually a problem for people with Asperger's. Of course this is probably because William Petersen is good at facial expressions.
I have quick-failed this GA because it has no references. The lead section is very short as well, and needs to conform to WP:LEAD. Wrad 21:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
One thing that this article is missing is how the character was created. He's talked about as if he were real. We need to know more about the actor. How was he chosen for the role? Why did writers make him the way he is? Also, how is the character received by the general public? Is he popular? What have reviews said about him? Wrad 20:04, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
I have quick-failed this GA because none of the previous issues have been addressed. The article is written as if Gil is a real person and as Wrad mentions, nothing about how he was cast. There are still too few inline citations and this needs to be corrected before any further GA nomination. Centy – – 22:28, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in the picture showing Gil signing to "Tom Haviland," the character is cited as being played by Chad Michael Murray, whom looks NOTHING like the person in the picture. Unless a young guy was done up a LOT to look like an older person (which afaik hasn't been done in CSI), is this reference correct? Unless there's ANOTHER CMM and this one is simply linking to the wrong article...-- TheSweet 07:42, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
This is in response to Yaman's request. I really like how the references are coming. It looks a lot better. Here are a few things I might fix before renominating:
[ Good luck on GA! Wrad 22:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
I feel bad for deleting the Sherlock part because probably a lot of people added to it, all the comparisons are based on facts, but i cannot find any confirmation that the producers (although they probably did) meant Grissom to be a 20th century Holmes. I'll save it on my hardrive and if i ever find a source i'll add it again.
(wish i could use uncyclopedia as a source: "Holmes called on some favours owed to him by Doctor Who and travelled to the 21st Century where he became an actor and played Gil Grissom in CSI.") Yamanbaiia 10:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
The unsourced section in question:
That entire section is both speculation and WP:OR -- VorangorTheDemon 13:35, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Parallelism with Sherlock Holmes
Gil Grissom has a more than passing similarity to Sherlock Holmes. Like Holmes, Grissom is dispassionate with a fierce devotion to logic and little regard for societal norms of behavior; Grissom once smashed mustard jars in a grocery store to illustrate a theory (" I-15 Murders"), similarly, Holmes once practiced spearing a pig at a market to determine how strong a man would have to be to transfix a man with a harpoon.
Grissom possesses a Moriarty-like nemesis, Paul Millander, whom he pursues in several episodes ( "Pilot;", "Anonymous;" and "Identity Crisis"). Coincidentally, "Paul Millander" has the same initials as "Professor Moriarty." There's also a woman, Lady Heather, in whom he takes an unusual interest, their relationship is similar to that of Irene Adler and Holmes. Both Irene and Lady Heather enchant Holmes and Grissom with their beauty, their wit and their resolution. Lady Heather is, almost always, wearing victorian dresses which are reminiscent to Holmes' era (" Slaves of Las Vegas", " Lady Heather's Box", " Pirates of the Third Reich" and " The Good, the Bad, and the Dominatrix").
Yamanbaiia 12:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
Does anyone know what that "cause of death" "allign left" junk that is at the top of the aritcle? I'm trying to get rid of it, but when you go into edit, it isn't there. -- VorangorTheDemon 12:19, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
Is such a large section even necessary? The relationship between Gil Grissom and Sara Sidle is amusing, but their relationship is not really important enough to Grissom's character (as pertaining to his primary role in the series) for an entire section, and I believe that the purpose of this large section is simply to be eye-candy for fans. Unfortunately, WP:ILIKEIT and WP:CRUFT don't agree with having a section that is so detailed, and taking up a good chunk of space, and it will without a doubt seriously inhibit the GA potential of this article. -- VorangorTheDemon 18:07, 17 October 2007 (UTC)
Though overall a nicely written article, I am placing it on hold pending the resolution of a few small, easily addressable issues. Here is the list:
As I said, these are minor, easily fixed issues. Please leave me a note on my talk page if you would like me to re-review earlier than the 7-day period. Have a wiki day! Mmoyer 01:54, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Re-review completed, GA awarded! Good job to all!! Mmoyer 01:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
The reference to Asperger's-like traits puzzles me - it looks like a term that tries to class Gil as a person with Asperger's while not meeting the [ [3]], particular the "repetitive, stereotyped behaviour". Granted, I'm not a psychologist, but I wondered if describing Gil Grissom as introverted would be more accurate. Autarch 17:10, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
Grissom is introverted and detail-oriented and in an exchange with Nick Stokes when he suggested a suspect was "a high-functioning autistic man with superior right-brain ability", Stokes replied "Kind of sounds like you."
Grissom is introverted and detail-oriented, and in a second season episode was compared to a "high-functioning autistic man with superior right-brain ability"
Dose anybody know why Gil is leaving the show -- 72.250.234.4 ( talk) 15:30, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
I don't have the chance to edit the article just now, but the actor's dog Bruno just showed up in "Grissom's Divine Comedy" with the in-show name of Hank. Grissom asks the shrink about whether Hank acting depressed could be because he was taking on his owner's feelings. I checked, and his first appearance is in the episode "Leapin' Lizards." He looks like he's a typical boxer, although if anyone else knows more about his breed then please add your info. Critterkeeper ( talk) 07:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
she is just mention once as a side relationship think she deserves maybe a sentence or two —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.79.247.222 ( talk) 01:25, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
If memory serves me, there was a scene in the episode " Alter Boys" where a Catholic priest deduces that Gil has a Catholic upbringing because he addressed the priest as "Father" rather than any other title. Can anyone confirm or remember the quote? I've found some quotes from the episode, but not the exact one that I want. It would be a useful reference for the article, giving more background to the character. Autarch ( talk) 12:54, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
I added a citation needed template to the part about Peterson confirming not coming back as regular since William_Petersen#Career states he confirmed the opposite (I also did the same to the latter article). Olivier Diotte ( talk) 02:25, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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GA from 2007. There are many parts without sources or uses unreliable/primary sources. For instance, many claims in the Reception section are sourced to primary sources or none at all. I also see a lot of WP:CRUFT. Would need a lot of work to maintain GA status. Spinixster (chat!) 09:15, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
It is suggested in the article that "stop" is not he and lady heather's safe word-- this is canonically their safeword. See Immortality Part 1 33:05. I would edit it myself but I am unfamiliar with the process 2603:7000:A101:EF61:C9D4:DFA7:9416:2EC2 ( talk) 05:38, 8 May 2024 (UTC)