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It is not true that the "Inno a Nettuno" was written in ancient Greek. Leopardi published only a purported translation of the hymn and promised that publication of the original would ensue (see [1] ). On the other hand Leopardi provides both the Greek "original" (written by himself) and the Latin translation of the Odes Adespotae (scroll down in the reference above). 82.56.20.113 ( talk) 09:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello, i think i haven't got enough experience to write this. I ask for your help. In the chapter "La Ginestra" there is an important thing which would be added: La ginestra (botaniccally a plant) is the rappresentation of the ideal man, the man which considers the nature an enemy, who isn't superior, exc... 80.104.165.167 ( talk) 20:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Marj, Deep thanks for your help with my bad text. I realise I used a very confused "italianish" language - ooops! :-)
About Leopardi and Coleridge, I don't think they were able to meet, as I have read (on the timeline in your site at Virginia.edu) that Coleridge was not in Italy in the years in which Leopardi was travelling. There are some differences among the sources about Leopardi's travels, indeed, but approximately the periods should however be around 1822 (Rome) and 1825-1837. A google search made me find references to many works that compare them, and at a first sight it seems there is something to investigate. Unfortunately, on my side I am not so fond of Coleridge, but now I have found an interesting site :-)
Talking about his passage from erudition to beauty, I intended saying that Leopardi left the style of Arcadia for the newer one (which effectively was beginning to sound as an archaism at the time). Arcadia was the name of a movement (named after the region, supposed a bucolic symbol) that was born in Rome as a reaction to baroque in literature, with Metastasio as its major writer. At the time Leopardi started writing, it was quite influential to him, but he later realised the false (formal, somehow mannerist) taste of Arcadia and abandoned it for a more linear composing style (also, the passage was from a study-focused activity, to a prevalence of composition). I don't know if Arcadia is known abroad, whether it eventually is called in some other way, and I wonder if it's worth an article on Wikipedia, being a minor movement of italian literature and I haven't found many others here yet. -- Gianfranco
This article would lead one to believe that Leopardi only developed a taste for ice-cream after arriving in Naples. While it's true that he celebrates a particular ice-cream maker in a satirical poem from the Neapolitan period (I nuovi credenti-- "The born-agains"), Iris Origo's biography of the poet puts forward the case that Leopardi had an insatiable sweet-tooth from very early on. His father complains about the boy's habit of using sugar less as a sweetener than as a thickening agent in his coffee. Evidently, it was a lifelong addiction. -- Spatz
Giacomo Leopardi is ENORMOUS: brilliant poet, innovative philologist, master of prose, historian of science, master of languages, philopopher who anticipated and deeply influenced both Shopenhauer (mildly acknowledged) and Nietzche (arrogantly unacknowelged).
This entry should be just as ENORMOUS. I have almost infinite resources on Leopardi and will work on this when I get the chance.
-- Lacatosias 09:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Ahhh, I told you I'd get around to expanding it didn't I. Of course, I'm not even half-way through yet. Italians don't seem to care so much about excessive length as you english-speaking folks. The biography of Zanzotti is about 90 KB and was a featrured artcile. HAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!!!-- Lacatosias 14:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
MASTERS OF PROSE There’s a lot of information here of a sort. For instance, it’s good to know Leopardi was an “innovative philologist, master of prose, master of languages…”, but then it’s a pity the entry is such an ill-written sprawl. The fastidious master of prose must be spinning in his grave. Uncle Bunyip ( talk) 20:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC) I thought I’d better do my bit, so I rewrote the sentence where it said L’s body risked being “tossed into a common ditch, as the strict hygienic regulations of the time required.” Even in dear, disease-ridden Naples (here called “Napoli”) they would never have thrown bodies in a “ditch” for better hygiene. Hope I improved this tiny corner. I wish some expert on Leopardi capable of writing a decent sentence would take the article in hand and rewrite it from top to bottom.
I had to remove the sentence that claimed that Leopardi influenced Schopenhauer & Nietzsche. However, in its stead, I added a quotation from Schopenhauer that showed his appreciation and understanding of Leopardi's writings. I don't think Nietzsche ever mentioned Leopardi, but I will research. Lestrade 00:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Influence is certainly a difficult thing to demonstrate among philosophers and/or poets who were each ferociously individualistic and, at least in the cases of Leopardi and Nietszhce, almost anti-systematic in their writings. But 1) Neitzche did indeed mention Leopardi quite extensively. There is a entire collection of writings/letters/etc. on the topic of Leopardi by Neitzche published in Italian as Freidrich Nietzche: Intorno a Leopardi (About Leopardi), edited by Cesare Galimberti, postscript by Gianni Scalia, Genova, Il Melangolo, 1992. I don't know if there is an English translation, but you Americans would do exceedingly well to learn some foreign langauges and break out of your Anglo-centric bubbles in any case. The secondary literature on the relationship between the three authors (in Italian) is vast. Here are only a very few examples:
etc. etc, etc....-- Lacatosias 16:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's look at the writings themselves. The only references that I can find on Leopardi in Nietzsche's writings are as follows:
Nietzsche never mentions Leopardi without including him generally in a series with other writers. This is unlike the Schopenhauer quote, in which we are given a specific comment on Leopardi alone, and even individualized praise. Lestrade 19:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Schopenhauer's writings are filled with images and examples, as any reader would know. Many of Nietzsche's images and examples were taken from Schopenhauer. Lestrade 12:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Schopenhauer's works were meant to make you think, not cry. Philosophy is not poetry. Each has its own effect and should be judged accordingly. If they were the same, they would have the same name. Lestrade 17:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Santayana's Three Philosophical Poets described the philosophical poetry of Lucretius, Dante, and Goethe. It's possible that your definition of greatness in a poet may be true, although some people might say that poetic greatness can exist within the realm of feeling and emotion alone. Schopenhauer wrote some poetry, as can be seen from the following example:
Although this poem may make a reader think, it isn't included among the great poems. Lestrade 14:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
The Italian title is "Canti" (as written in Leopardi's biography); but several "Cantos" can be found thereafter. Is this a choice or a mere error? -- Broletto ( talk) 12:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
"the quasi-Buddhist thesis according to which, since life has no other aim but happiness and since happiness is unattainable, all of life is nothing but an interminable struggle" I challenge these statements that Buddhism teaches that life has no other aim but happiness, nor that it claims that happiness is unattainable and the consequence. On the same hand, what does "quasi-Buddhist" mean. Is it a Buddhist teaching or not ? If not, please remove the term Buddhist or explain. If someone who had this thesis was influenced by Buddhism then as far I would allow is "so and so was influenced by Buddhism" Please provide sources; otherwise I would consider this OR. Netrapt ( talk) 15:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm moving here the previous translation of the last stanza of the canto Alla sua donna. I've replaced it with Kline's translation because this one is unsourced and therefore unreliable. There it is:
"If you, my love, are one
Of those undying forms the eternal mind
Will not transform to mortal flesh, to try funereal sorrows of ephemeral beings
Or if you dwell in one
of those innumerable worlds far off
In the celestial swirl,
Lit by a sun more stunning than our own,
And if you breathe a kinder air than ours,
Then from this meager earth,
Where years are brief and dark,
This hymn your unknown lover sings, accept."
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{KLAT} • 06:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
After going through the whole article, I noticed that the bulk of it concerns Leopardi's poetry and offers the reader information that seems way too detailed and specific for an author's page, which is already around 54kb long (that is, too much!). I therefore formally propose that a separate article titled "Poetry of Leopardi", "Poetry of Giacomo Leopardi" or "Leopardi's poetry" (to match the proposed "Leopardi's letters" for his correspondence) be created in order to place this very precious information in a more appropriate location. It could look along the same lines as
Poetry of Mao Zedong, for example. Please, speak (write) up about this! I won't go through with it before a few months have gone by and without having heard from the community.
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H☼ωdΘesI†fl∉∈
{KLAT} • 07:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
The article for Leopardi's Operette morali desperately needs to be created! The Italian article is huge and has even spawned numerous attached articles... Could someone maybe translate it (or them) if you feel good enough in Italian and generally overzealous?
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{KLAT} • 07:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Giacomo Leopardi was one of the greatest Italian men that ever walked this earth. I am honored to be able to breathe the same air that he did. This article in no way does him justice.I have scoured the article looking for something, anything, even one statement, even remotely reflecting this. I have found NOTHING. This is absolutely unacceptable. If this is not changed in the near future I am afraid I will not be able to stand idly by. I will be forced to make changes. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy life to read my input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.185.255 ( talk) 01:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Responding to TWO among the many (secondary-source-dependent) problems with this wiki-entry: (1) Leopardi OPPOSED ALL (incl. Lockean) mechanistic visions of the universe (cf. e.g. Operette Morali, Accademia dei Sillografi)! (2) The claim that Leopardi was an (unqualified) "atheist" is NOWHERE supported by Leopardi's own texts! I share my thought that at present the wiki-entry is overall a caricature of the philosopher. — Preceding
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95.250.198.138 (
talk) 22:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 02:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
The very first sentence tells us, among other things, that he is known as "the hunchback of Recanati" (perhaps rather as Shakespeare is sometimes referred to as the "bard of Avon" or Burns the "Ploughman Poet"). Now I daresay that in coarser times some of the locals and even critics etc. might have been guilty of using such an expression, but it's hardly true today that he is referred to in this way, or could be, unless the person using the term was very crass indeed. So I've removed it. I don't anticipate objections. Campolongo ( talk) 16:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
The article tells us: "the depth of his reflection on existence and on the human condition - of sensuous and materialist inspiration - also makes him a thick philosopher." A thick philosopher? How thick was he? As thick as a brick? As thick as two short planks? I think we should be told! METRANGOLO1 ( talk) 09:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
One little step towards cleaning up the article, which is an awful mess. Poor Leopardi - he seems to be the victim of his admirers, who celebrate his greatness in wretched prose. I believe Leopardi was a stylist, among other things. If he could read this stuff he must be turning in his Neapolitan grave. METRANGOLO1 ( talk) 21:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Much of this article is unsourced interpretive analysis of the sort one tends to find in undergraduate essays. That material is not encyclopedic in my view. It is not based on factual information, but rather the author's own viewpoint on the material discussed. It's nice that the author thinks Leopardi is so important and profound--I agree--but this material should be on a blog or website devoted to celebrating Leopardi's achievement, rather than on an online free encyclopedia. Hifrommike65 ( talk) 18:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
The moon is setting, not waning. "Giunta al confin del cielo, dietro Apennino od Alpe, o del Tirreno nell’infinito seno scende la luna; e si scolora il mondo": arriving at the boundary of the sky, behind the Apennins or the Alps, or in the infinite bosom of the Tyrrhenian descends the moon; and the world becomes discolored. Imerologul Valah ( talk) 18:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
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It is not true that the "Inno a Nettuno" was written in ancient Greek. Leopardi published only a purported translation of the hymn and promised that publication of the original would ensue (see [1] ). On the other hand Leopardi provides both the Greek "original" (written by himself) and the Latin translation of the Odes Adespotae (scroll down in the reference above). 82.56.20.113 ( talk) 09:58, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Hello, i think i haven't got enough experience to write this. I ask for your help. In the chapter "La Ginestra" there is an important thing which would be added: La ginestra (botaniccally a plant) is the rappresentation of the ideal man, the man which considers the nature an enemy, who isn't superior, exc... 80.104.165.167 ( talk) 20:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Marj, Deep thanks for your help with my bad text. I realise I used a very confused "italianish" language - ooops! :-)
About Leopardi and Coleridge, I don't think they were able to meet, as I have read (on the timeline in your site at Virginia.edu) that Coleridge was not in Italy in the years in which Leopardi was travelling. There are some differences among the sources about Leopardi's travels, indeed, but approximately the periods should however be around 1822 (Rome) and 1825-1837. A google search made me find references to many works that compare them, and at a first sight it seems there is something to investigate. Unfortunately, on my side I am not so fond of Coleridge, but now I have found an interesting site :-)
Talking about his passage from erudition to beauty, I intended saying that Leopardi left the style of Arcadia for the newer one (which effectively was beginning to sound as an archaism at the time). Arcadia was the name of a movement (named after the region, supposed a bucolic symbol) that was born in Rome as a reaction to baroque in literature, with Metastasio as its major writer. At the time Leopardi started writing, it was quite influential to him, but he later realised the false (formal, somehow mannerist) taste of Arcadia and abandoned it for a more linear composing style (also, the passage was from a study-focused activity, to a prevalence of composition). I don't know if Arcadia is known abroad, whether it eventually is called in some other way, and I wonder if it's worth an article on Wikipedia, being a minor movement of italian literature and I haven't found many others here yet. -- Gianfranco
This article would lead one to believe that Leopardi only developed a taste for ice-cream after arriving in Naples. While it's true that he celebrates a particular ice-cream maker in a satirical poem from the Neapolitan period (I nuovi credenti-- "The born-agains"), Iris Origo's biography of the poet puts forward the case that Leopardi had an insatiable sweet-tooth from very early on. His father complains about the boy's habit of using sugar less as a sweetener than as a thickening agent in his coffee. Evidently, it was a lifelong addiction. -- Spatz
Giacomo Leopardi is ENORMOUS: brilliant poet, innovative philologist, master of prose, historian of science, master of languages, philopopher who anticipated and deeply influenced both Shopenhauer (mildly acknowledged) and Nietzche (arrogantly unacknowelged).
This entry should be just as ENORMOUS. I have almost infinite resources on Leopardi and will work on this when I get the chance.
-- Lacatosias 09:54, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
Ahhh, I told you I'd get around to expanding it didn't I. Of course, I'm not even half-way through yet. Italians don't seem to care so much about excessive length as you english-speaking folks. The biography of Zanzotti is about 90 KB and was a featrured artcile. HAAAAHAAAAAHAAAAA!!!-- Lacatosias 14:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
MASTERS OF PROSE There’s a lot of information here of a sort. For instance, it’s good to know Leopardi was an “innovative philologist, master of prose, master of languages…”, but then it’s a pity the entry is such an ill-written sprawl. The fastidious master of prose must be spinning in his grave. Uncle Bunyip ( talk) 20:07, 20 December 2009 (UTC) I thought I’d better do my bit, so I rewrote the sentence where it said L’s body risked being “tossed into a common ditch, as the strict hygienic regulations of the time required.” Even in dear, disease-ridden Naples (here called “Napoli”) they would never have thrown bodies in a “ditch” for better hygiene. Hope I improved this tiny corner. I wish some expert on Leopardi capable of writing a decent sentence would take the article in hand and rewrite it from top to bottom.
I had to remove the sentence that claimed that Leopardi influenced Schopenhauer & Nietzsche. However, in its stead, I added a quotation from Schopenhauer that showed his appreciation and understanding of Leopardi's writings. I don't think Nietzsche ever mentioned Leopardi, but I will research. Lestrade 00:27, 11 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Influence is certainly a difficult thing to demonstrate among philosophers and/or poets who were each ferociously individualistic and, at least in the cases of Leopardi and Nietszhce, almost anti-systematic in their writings. But 1) Neitzche did indeed mention Leopardi quite extensively. There is a entire collection of writings/letters/etc. on the topic of Leopardi by Neitzche published in Italian as Freidrich Nietzche: Intorno a Leopardi (About Leopardi), edited by Cesare Galimberti, postscript by Gianni Scalia, Genova, Il Melangolo, 1992. I don't know if there is an English translation, but you Americans would do exceedingly well to learn some foreign langauges and break out of your Anglo-centric bubbles in any case. The secondary literature on the relationship between the three authors (in Italian) is vast. Here are only a very few examples:
etc. etc, etc....-- Lacatosias 16:29, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
Let's look at the writings themselves. The only references that I can find on Leopardi in Nietzsche's writings are as follows:
Nietzsche never mentions Leopardi without including him generally in a series with other writers. This is unlike the Schopenhauer quote, in which we are given a specific comment on Leopardi alone, and even individualized praise. Lestrade 19:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Schopenhauer's writings are filled with images and examples, as any reader would know. Many of Nietzsche's images and examples were taken from Schopenhauer. Lestrade 12:13, 23 June 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Schopenhauer's works were meant to make you think, not cry. Philosophy is not poetry. Each has its own effect and should be judged accordingly. If they were the same, they would have the same name. Lestrade 17:56, 10 July 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
Santayana's Three Philosophical Poets described the philosophical poetry of Lucretius, Dante, and Goethe. It's possible that your definition of greatness in a poet may be true, although some people might say that poetic greatness can exist within the realm of feeling and emotion alone. Schopenhauer wrote some poetry, as can be seen from the following example:
Although this poem may make a reader think, it isn't included among the great poems. Lestrade 14:07, 11 July 2006 (UTC)Lestrade
The Italian title is "Canti" (as written in Leopardi's biography); but several "Cantos" can be found thereafter. Is this a choice or a mere error? -- Broletto ( talk) 12:55, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
"the quasi-Buddhist thesis according to which, since life has no other aim but happiness and since happiness is unattainable, all of life is nothing but an interminable struggle" I challenge these statements that Buddhism teaches that life has no other aim but happiness, nor that it claims that happiness is unattainable and the consequence. On the same hand, what does "quasi-Buddhist" mean. Is it a Buddhist teaching or not ? If not, please remove the term Buddhist or explain. If someone who had this thesis was influenced by Buddhism then as far I would allow is "so and so was influenced by Buddhism" Please provide sources; otherwise I would consider this OR. Netrapt ( talk) 15:35, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
I'm moving here the previous translation of the last stanza of the canto Alla sua donna. I've replaced it with Kline's translation because this one is unsourced and therefore unreliable. There it is:
"If you, my love, are one
Of those undying forms the eternal mind
Will not transform to mortal flesh, to try funereal sorrows of ephemeral beings
Or if you dwell in one
of those innumerable worlds far off
In the celestial swirl,
Lit by a sun more stunning than our own,
And if you breathe a kinder air than ours,
Then from this meager earth,
Where years are brief and dark,
This hymn your unknown lover sings, accept."
•
H☼ωdΘesI†fl∉∈
{KLAT} • 06:39, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
After going through the whole article, I noticed that the bulk of it concerns Leopardi's poetry and offers the reader information that seems way too detailed and specific for an author's page, which is already around 54kb long (that is, too much!). I therefore formally propose that a separate article titled "Poetry of Leopardi", "Poetry of Giacomo Leopardi" or "Leopardi's poetry" (to match the proposed "Leopardi's letters" for his correspondence) be created in order to place this very precious information in a more appropriate location. It could look along the same lines as
Poetry of Mao Zedong, for example. Please, speak (write) up about this! I won't go through with it before a few months have gone by and without having heard from the community.
•
H☼ωdΘesI†fl∉∈
{KLAT} • 07:36, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
The article for Leopardi's Operette morali desperately needs to be created! The Italian article is huge and has even spawned numerous attached articles... Could someone maybe translate it (or them) if you feel good enough in Italian and generally overzealous?
•
H☼ωdΘesI†fl∉∈
{KLAT} • 07:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Giacomo Leopardi was one of the greatest Italian men that ever walked this earth. I am honored to be able to breathe the same air that he did. This article in no way does him justice.I have scoured the article looking for something, anything, even one statement, even remotely reflecting this. I have found NOTHING. This is absolutely unacceptable. If this is not changed in the near future I am afraid I will not be able to stand idly by. I will be forced to make changes. Thank you for taking the time out of your busy life to read my input. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.185.255 ( talk) 01:09, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Responding to TWO among the many (secondary-source-dependent) problems with this wiki-entry: (1) Leopardi OPPOSED ALL (incl. Lockean) mechanistic visions of the universe (cf. e.g. Operette Morali, Accademia dei Sillografi)! (2) The claim that Leopardi was an (unqualified) "atheist" is NOWHERE supported by Leopardi's own texts! I share my thought that at present the wiki-entry is overall a caricature of the philosopher. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
95.250.198.138 (
talk) 22:13, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
There is an RfC on the question of using "Religion: None" vs. "Religion: None (atheist)" in the infobox on this and other similar pages.
The RfC is at Template talk:Infobox person#RfC: Religion infobox entries for individuals that have no religion.
Please help us determine consensus on this issue. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 02:10, 26 April 2015 (UTC)
The very first sentence tells us, among other things, that he is known as "the hunchback of Recanati" (perhaps rather as Shakespeare is sometimes referred to as the "bard of Avon" or Burns the "Ploughman Poet"). Now I daresay that in coarser times some of the locals and even critics etc. might have been guilty of using such an expression, but it's hardly true today that he is referred to in this way, or could be, unless the person using the term was very crass indeed. So I've removed it. I don't anticipate objections. Campolongo ( talk) 16:17, 11 June 2017 (UTC)
The article tells us: "the depth of his reflection on existence and on the human condition - of sensuous and materialist inspiration - also makes him a thick philosopher." A thick philosopher? How thick was he? As thick as a brick? As thick as two short planks? I think we should be told! METRANGOLO1 ( talk) 09:12, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
One little step towards cleaning up the article, which is an awful mess. Poor Leopardi - he seems to be the victim of his admirers, who celebrate his greatness in wretched prose. I believe Leopardi was a stylist, among other things. If he could read this stuff he must be turning in his Neapolitan grave. METRANGOLO1 ( talk) 21:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Much of this article is unsourced interpretive analysis of the sort one tends to find in undergraduate essays. That material is not encyclopedic in my view. It is not based on factual information, but rather the author's own viewpoint on the material discussed. It's nice that the author thinks Leopardi is so important and profound--I agree--but this material should be on a blog or website devoted to celebrating Leopardi's achievement, rather than on an online free encyclopedia. Hifrommike65 ( talk) 18:34, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
The moon is setting, not waning. "Giunta al confin del cielo, dietro Apennino od Alpe, o del Tirreno nell’infinito seno scende la luna; e si scolora il mondo": arriving at the boundary of the sky, behind the Apennins or the Alps, or in the infinite bosom of the Tyrrhenian descends the moon; and the world becomes discolored. Imerologul Valah ( talk) 18:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)