Thanks for pointing out the Get (conflict) article, Jfdwolff -- I didn't see it, even though it is mentioned on the disambig page. I just missed the reference. Also, Get (conflict) is not categorized under Jewish topics, the categories are International law and Law. So, my apologies, I didn't see it. I agree, we should combine these into one article, and then link to that article from all the related conflict of laws articles.
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Reform Rabbi Wolhendler, of [address removed] is famous for running a "Mafia-Style" divorce business, aiding, advising, and guiding such terrible husbands, as a result he has been excommunicated from most relegious courts and rabbinical organizations. A man who has already left the Orthodox Jewish community, however, may not care.
It seems obvious that it shouldn't be there, but I'll spell it out: 1) Rabbi Wolhendler is an orthodox rabbi: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1D91131F933A15751C0A964958260 since he's a member of Orthodox Rabbinical Board of America. Calling someone reform is a high insult among some in the orthodox world, and I think that's what's intended there. 2) The inclusion of an address shows the material was added by someone endorsing Orthodox vigilantism. 3) "Mafia-Style" and "terrible husbands" are POV. 4) It is all unsourced, including the assertion of excommunication (a verifiable statement) and is potential libelous, so it must be removed immediately. 5) There's no hint as to why Wolhendler is notable for any kind of mention. 6) The quotation is present verbatim on orthodox "agunah" websites, and has probably been spread around the internet to promote vigilantism. Carneadiiz ( talk) 23:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
It would seem that the word get is a corruption of the latin word Act. Thus, in the Talmud Get can refer to any legal document. The reaseon that the word Act came to be associated with the the word Act is because after the Bar Kochba revolt, there was a decree that all divorces must be done through the Roman Courts (in order to combat Jewish independance). Se Gittin 17b and Seridei Aish 3-134 (Mossad R' Kook). I don't know if this is good enough to be put in the main article so I'm leaving it here for now. Wolf2191 06:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Wolf2191
The scholar Baruch Halevi Epstein in his book Tosefet Brocha for the word get and Seridei Eish mentions the decree. The idea of putting the two together is mine and is original research (thus unsuitable). I have difficulty in deciding what constitues a proper source (as one source is Hlachic Respona and the other a Torah commentary.) Thanks Wolf2191 02:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
The section describing non-Israeli men withholding a Get to extort their wives ends with 'Jewish feminists have characterized such demands as "ransom."', implying that this is somehow an exclusively feminist and somehow exaggerated definition; the only thing wrong with it would be the term "ransom" itself, which usually involves using a kidnapped person, as opposed to using religious / civil laws, for the extortion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.180.234 ( talk) 01:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for pointing out the Get (conflict) article, Jfdwolff -- I didn't see it, even though it is mentioned on the disambig page. I just missed the reference. Also, Get (conflict) is not categorized under Jewish topics, the categories are International law and Law. So, my apologies, I didn't see it. I agree, we should combine these into one article, and then link to that article from all the related conflict of laws articles.
Copied the following from Talk:Get (conflict):
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Shirahadasha 06:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
I removed this statement from the article:
Reform Rabbi Wolhendler, of [address removed] is famous for running a "Mafia-Style" divorce business, aiding, advising, and guiding such terrible husbands, as a result he has been excommunicated from most relegious courts and rabbinical organizations. A man who has already left the Orthodox Jewish community, however, may not care.
It seems obvious that it shouldn't be there, but I'll spell it out: 1) Rabbi Wolhendler is an orthodox rabbi: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE1D91131F933A15751C0A964958260 since he's a member of Orthodox Rabbinical Board of America. Calling someone reform is a high insult among some in the orthodox world, and I think that's what's intended there. 2) The inclusion of an address shows the material was added by someone endorsing Orthodox vigilantism. 3) "Mafia-Style" and "terrible husbands" are POV. 4) It is all unsourced, including the assertion of excommunication (a verifiable statement) and is potential libelous, so it must be removed immediately. 5) There's no hint as to why Wolhendler is notable for any kind of mention. 6) The quotation is present verbatim on orthodox "agunah" websites, and has probably been spread around the internet to promote vigilantism. Carneadiiz ( talk) 23:30, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
It would seem that the word get is a corruption of the latin word Act. Thus, in the Talmud Get can refer to any legal document. The reaseon that the word Act came to be associated with the the word Act is because after the Bar Kochba revolt, there was a decree that all divorces must be done through the Roman Courts (in order to combat Jewish independance). Se Gittin 17b and Seridei Aish 3-134 (Mossad R' Kook). I don't know if this is good enough to be put in the main article so I'm leaving it here for now. Wolf2191 06:05, 18 March 2007 (UTC)Wolf2191
The scholar Baruch Halevi Epstein in his book Tosefet Brocha for the word get and Seridei Eish mentions the decree. The idea of putting the two together is mine and is original research (thus unsuitable). I have difficulty in deciding what constitues a proper source (as one source is Hlachic Respona and the other a Torah commentary.) Thanks Wolf2191 02:44, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
The section describing non-Israeli men withholding a Get to extort their wives ends with 'Jewish feminists have characterized such demands as "ransom."', implying that this is somehow an exclusively feminist and somehow exaggerated definition; the only thing wrong with it would be the term "ransom" itself, which usually involves using a kidnapped person, as opposed to using religious / civil laws, for the extortion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.17.180.234 ( talk) 01:24, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
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