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Both the Nazi Airforce and the current one are called Luftwaffe. Why are they not titled accordingly, eg. "Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr)"? -- 79.223.31.59 ( talk) 18:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
whoever did the German Navy page had a good idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Navy#History
-- Deamonpen ( talk) 03:41, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Either name this article "Luftwaffe" for all periods, or name it "German Air Force" for all periods. Using "Luftwaffe" exclusively for the Nazi era is an insult to all who have served in the Luftwaffe since 1955. And I'm sure this naming was intended to be just that - an insult - by our so-called Anglo-Saxon "friends". -- Reibeisen ( talk) 19:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
The German navy has operated under different names. See
I would be better if when Luftwaffe is searched there is a disambiguation page
the history secion of this page is only for the modern airforce to clear up nay possible conclusion perhaps a list (see above) should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.69.4 ( talk) 14:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
the modern german air force is still called the luftwaffe in german, and luftwaffe just means "air force" in translation it is also a more common term in english. Therefore it would be appropriate for the title to be moved to Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr) and the WWII page to Luftwaffe (WWII) Kilo-echo-lima-victor-india-november ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Luftwaffe got some new designations concerning their commanding structure. The former Luftwaffenführungskommando is now called Kommando Einsatzverbände Luftwaffe, Luftwaffenamt is now called Kommando Unterstützungsverbände Luftwaffe. Maybe you can think of some good translations into English or just use the German names. -- Filterkaffee ( talk) 19:19, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I dont know if Team Luftwaffe is the real motto of the Luftwaffe. On the website appears Wir.Dienen.Deutschland, which sounds much more as a motto than the actual one. Or is it Immer im Einsatz as indicated here ? Can we change that? FraLiss ( talk) 19:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The article contained two passages claiming that the majority of the aircraft in the Luftwaffe were grounded, one featuring prominently in the header, with very little referencing. I have toned this down a bit. It is not unusual in this day and age for air forces to have high nominal numbers of aircraft, but maintain only a minority of these in a fully combat ready state. It seems odd to single out the Luftwaffe in this respect, and read a little like an attempt to disparage the Luftwaffe. If anyone takes issue with my edits of 02/07/15 then feel free to discuss it here. Thanks! MatthewHaywood ( talk) 10:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Jever Air Base was removed from list and map of air bases with this edit. While it's correct that the areal is no longer used or designated as "air base", it is supposed to host the German Air Force Regiment (and other minor auxiliary units) per an official government source from May 2014 - the German-language source is available on de-Wiki. The GAFR is a ground-based defence unit, but part of the German Air Force branch. Either the "base" should be re-added with some disclaimers about its actual status and function, or the total number of air bases should be reduced to 11 (the entry was removed without reducing the total numbers in lead and main text). Knowing little about air force stuff, I'll leave it to the experts to decide the best course of action :). GermanJoe ( talk) 03:19, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Which unit operates the Airbus A310 MRTT? Gavbadger ( talk) 12:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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Luftwaffe vs German Air Force is an inappropriate form of pseudo-disambiguation, to split the luftwaffe (correctly) by age. There is no reason at all why one should be translated to English from German (we either translate one, or preferably neither (as COMMONNAME supports "Luftwaffe" in English too)). They should both be "Luftwaffe", and at least the modern one should be disambiguated.
Andy Dingley ( talk) 20:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Why are the H145M, A340 VIP, Global 500, A319, A321 no longer listed in this article? They are active aircraft of the Luftwaffe and be found on the Luftwaffe‘s homepage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E6:4BF1:7D00:E8A3:F5E0:CB1A:4DEA ( talk) 16:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Well they were part of this article some months ago. The Luftwaffe recently ordered another A319 (as OPEN SKIES aircraft), an A321 as VIP aircraft. Both planes will be put into service 2018-2019. Also all 15 H145M are now officially part of the active fleet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E6:4BF1:7D00:15F8:11FD:3A19:7DDA ( talk) 06:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, actually, the literally translation of Luftwaffe into ’air weapon’ is wrong from my point of view. ’Waffe’ doesn't mean ’weapon’ as a single piece of warfare equipment but instead a force for warfare in the air – an Air Force. I suggest to change that. -- VC10 ( talk) 06:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
"(...) it is the third largest air force within the European Union, after the Italian Air Force and French Air Force." This is such a distorting and manipulating nonsense. Considering the structure of the German Armed Forces, and especially the Joint Support Service (Germany), the Joint Medical Service (Germany) and the Cyber- und Informationsraum, the personnel comparison between European Air Forces is completely useless, because other countries don't have or have different joint support services. If you want to compare these Air Forces, do it on the basis of fighter aircraft (and possibly European Air Forces and not the EU, with the objective of deliberately excluding the RAF). It also has to be noted, that the German Joint Support Organisations have army, navy and air force personnel; this means that air force personnel serving in the support organisations should be counted as additional air force personnel detached to these support organisations. -- 190.148.209.90 ( talk) 17:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
The H145 has repeatedly been removed from training aircraft, in spite of there being a reliable source. Since it latest was FOX 52, please be so kind and explain why the source is not sufficient, even though it specifically mentions the German Air Force. -- Erik Pirntke ( talk) 23:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
I am well aware, that the number of Tornados in the GAF inventory is 93 (85). But, since there are no numbers on how many of each variant the GAF has, and the table is set up in a way that doesn't allow grouping the two variants in one column, I think the way to go is to keep old information until there are newer sources. If there are sources that have exact variant numbers, feel free to add them because the current source does not specify those. -- Erik Pirntke ( talk) 01:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The disclaimer at the very beginning of the article (or the structure itself) is misleading. German Air Force is still called "Luftwaffe" (as mentioned in the article). I don't see how it makes any sense to split an article about the German Air Force in three articles (instead of integrate everything in one article). But more importantly it shouldn't look like "Luftwaffe" was part of the "Wehrmacht" in WW2 and changed its name after the war to German Air Force. This is misleading. 2A02:908:1965:5FE0:D98B:845B:C09:1F7 ( talk) 12:32, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
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Both the Nazi Airforce and the current one are called Luftwaffe. Why are they not titled accordingly, eg. "Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr)"? -- 79.223.31.59 ( talk) 18:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
whoever did the German Navy page had a good idea
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Navy#History
-- Deamonpen ( talk) 03:41, 9 March 2017 (UTC)
Either name this article "Luftwaffe" for all periods, or name it "German Air Force" for all periods. Using "Luftwaffe" exclusively for the Nazi era is an insult to all who have served in the Luftwaffe since 1955. And I'm sure this naming was intended to be just that - an insult - by our so-called Anglo-Saxon "friends". -- Reibeisen ( talk) 19:39, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
The German navy has operated under different names. See
I would be better if when Luftwaffe is searched there is a disambiguation page
the history secion of this page is only for the modern airforce to clear up nay possible conclusion perhaps a list (see above) should be added — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.167.69.4 ( talk) 14:17, 3 September 2013 (UTC)
the modern german air force is still called the luftwaffe in german, and luftwaffe just means "air force" in translation it is also a more common term in english. Therefore it would be appropriate for the title to be moved to Luftwaffe (Bundeswehr) and the WWII page to Luftwaffe (WWII) Kilo-echo-lima-victor-india-november ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:54, 8 July 2016 (UTC)
Hey, Luftwaffe got some new designations concerning their commanding structure. The former Luftwaffenführungskommando is now called Kommando Einsatzverbände Luftwaffe, Luftwaffenamt is now called Kommando Unterstützungsverbände Luftwaffe. Maybe you can think of some good translations into English or just use the German names. -- Filterkaffee ( talk) 19:19, 27 September 2013 (UTC)
I dont know if Team Luftwaffe is the real motto of the Luftwaffe. On the website appears Wir.Dienen.Deutschland, which sounds much more as a motto than the actual one. Or is it Immer im Einsatz as indicated here ? Can we change that? FraLiss ( talk) 19:37, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
The article contained two passages claiming that the majority of the aircraft in the Luftwaffe were grounded, one featuring prominently in the header, with very little referencing. I have toned this down a bit. It is not unusual in this day and age for air forces to have high nominal numbers of aircraft, but maintain only a minority of these in a fully combat ready state. It seems odd to single out the Luftwaffe in this respect, and read a little like an attempt to disparage the Luftwaffe. If anyone takes issue with my edits of 02/07/15 then feel free to discuss it here. Thanks! MatthewHaywood ( talk) 10:07, 2 July 2015 (UTC)
Jever Air Base was removed from list and map of air bases with this edit. While it's correct that the areal is no longer used or designated as "air base", it is supposed to host the German Air Force Regiment (and other minor auxiliary units) per an official government source from May 2014 - the German-language source is available on de-Wiki. The GAFR is a ground-based defence unit, but part of the German Air Force branch. Either the "base" should be re-added with some disclaimers about its actual status and function, or the total number of air bases should be reduced to 11 (the entry was removed without reducing the total numbers in lead and main text). Knowing little about air force stuff, I'll leave it to the experts to decide the best course of action :). GermanJoe ( talk) 03:19, 5 December 2015 (UTC)
Which unit operates the Airbus A310 MRTT? Gavbadger ( talk) 12:53, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
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Luftwaffe vs German Air Force is an inappropriate form of pseudo-disambiguation, to split the luftwaffe (correctly) by age. There is no reason at all why one should be translated to English from German (we either translate one, or preferably neither (as COMMONNAME supports "Luftwaffe" in English too)). They should both be "Luftwaffe", and at least the modern one should be disambiguated.
Andy Dingley ( talk) 20:38, 10 May 2017 (UTC)
Why are the H145M, A340 VIP, Global 500, A319, A321 no longer listed in this article? They are active aircraft of the Luftwaffe and be found on the Luftwaffe‘s homepage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E6:4BF1:7D00:E8A3:F5E0:CB1A:4DEA ( talk) 16:06, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
Well they were part of this article some months ago. The Luftwaffe recently ordered another A319 (as OPEN SKIES aircraft), an A321 as VIP aircraft. Both planes will be put into service 2018-2019. Also all 15 H145M are now officially part of the active fleet. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:E6:4BF1:7D00:15F8:11FD:3A19:7DDA ( talk) 06:26, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Hi guys, actually, the literally translation of Luftwaffe into ’air weapon’ is wrong from my point of view. ’Waffe’ doesn't mean ’weapon’ as a single piece of warfare equipment but instead a force for warfare in the air – an Air Force. I suggest to change that. -- VC10 ( talk) 06:16, 4 January 2020 (UTC)
"(...) it is the third largest air force within the European Union, after the Italian Air Force and French Air Force." This is such a distorting and manipulating nonsense. Considering the structure of the German Armed Forces, and especially the Joint Support Service (Germany), the Joint Medical Service (Germany) and the Cyber- und Informationsraum, the personnel comparison between European Air Forces is completely useless, because other countries don't have or have different joint support services. If you want to compare these Air Forces, do it on the basis of fighter aircraft (and possibly European Air Forces and not the EU, with the objective of deliberately excluding the RAF). It also has to be noted, that the German Joint Support Organisations have army, navy and air force personnel; this means that air force personnel serving in the support organisations should be counted as additional air force personnel detached to these support organisations. -- 190.148.209.90 ( talk) 17:27, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
The H145 has repeatedly been removed from training aircraft, in spite of there being a reliable source. Since it latest was FOX 52, please be so kind and explain why the source is not sufficient, even though it specifically mentions the German Air Force. -- Erik Pirntke ( talk) 23:38, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
I am well aware, that the number of Tornados in the GAF inventory is 93 (85). But, since there are no numbers on how many of each variant the GAF has, and the table is set up in a way that doesn't allow grouping the two variants in one column, I think the way to go is to keep old information until there are newer sources. If there are sources that have exact variant numbers, feel free to add them because the current source does not specify those. -- Erik Pirntke ( talk) 01:00, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
The disclaimer at the very beginning of the article (or the structure itself) is misleading. German Air Force is still called "Luftwaffe" (as mentioned in the article). I don't see how it makes any sense to split an article about the German Air Force in three articles (instead of integrate everything in one article). But more importantly it shouldn't look like "Luftwaffe" was part of the "Wehrmacht" in WW2 and changed its name after the war to German Air Force. This is misleading. 2A02:908:1965:5FE0:D98B:845B:C09:1F7 ( talk) 12:32, 26 June 2023 (UTC)