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This article was edited to contain a total or partial translation of Gerhard Klingenberg from the German Wikipedia. Consult the history of the original page to see a list of its authors. Translation by User:LouisAlain.

We came a long way from this being a two-sentence-stub suggested to be deleted. He should go to the recent deaths listing on the Main page, and I have no more time until Monday. Help wanted:

• find citations where marked, and at the end of paragraphs - this will be needed
• more lead
• more detail - the DEFA ref (Schenk) is rich

see you later -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 11:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC) reply

Klingenberg in 2010

• ... that Gerhard Klingenberg, who stepped in to play Camille in Büchner's Dantons Tod at the Burgtheater in Vienna at age 18, managed the theatre from 1971 to 1976? Source: [1]
  • Reviewed: to come

Gerda Arendt ( talk) 22:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC). reply

• The article is new enough and long enough. Sourcing is proper; everything is in German so generally AGF on the sources. QPQ is still pending. I did not find any close paraphrasing. Article was on ITN's Recent Deaths section so it remains eligible for DYK. The issue is the hook: it fails WP:DYKINT as it is reliant on specialist information that general audiences may not have (a reader who doesn't know that the Burgtheater is Austria's main theater might not get the importance, and why is Camille singled out?). It's also too complicated and has too many facts; ideally it should focus on only one primary fact. There's also the issue raised by 4meter4 in the past that these "actor stepping into roles" instances are not actually that interesting or unusual as that's what understudies tend to do. Given that WT:DYK is not a fan of these "people doing their job" hooks, here are some possible alternatives; I've struck the original hook due to the issues raised above.

ALT1 ... that Gerhard Klingenberg took on his stage name due to a prohibition on students at his school taking up acting?

ALT2 ... that during his tenure as the manager of Austria's Burgtheater from 1971 to 1976, Gerhard Klingenberg often directed plays with analogies to a divided Europe?

Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 13:31, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

ALT1 - in my humble opinion - is trivia which neglects his importance in the theatre world, and focuses on the Austrian bureaucracy. A you aware that this man recently died?

ALT2 has it, but is very general in the second fact. Why not mention the precise play, which is unusual? Stepping in at 18 seems more interesting to me than the analogies, and more interesting than taking on a stage name.

I hate to name a play in English that was played in German, but for our crowd's sake:

ALT0a: ... that Gerhard Klingenberg (pictured), who stepped in at Vienna's Burgtheater at age 18 to play Camille in Büchner's Danton's Death, managed the theatre from 1971 to 1976? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 20:10, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

The issue with ALT0 isn't whether or not the play's title is in German or English, but rather the nature of the hook itself. Multiple editors within the DYK community have objected to these "performer plays role" hooks as they're basically about these people doing their job, which isn't what DYK is looking for. ALT0/ALT0a, as mentioned earlier, also fails WP:DYKINT because, again, the hook is heavily reliant on specialist information or context and thus general readers won't get it. I have struck ALT0a as well for the same reasons. You need to propose a completely different angle here, or agree to ALT1/ALT2, because otherwise the nomination will be failed for lack of a suitable hook. To answer your question about Klingenberg's death, him dying recently does not change the issues with the proposal. Just because he died recently doesn't mean a hook about him should be exempt from DYKINT. Is there a problem if ALT1 is "trivia"? Because when you think about it, DYK hooks are supposed to be trivia: that's why they're called hooks. Narutolovehinata5 ( talk · contributions) 23:09, 28 June 2024 (UTC) reply

We will have to disagree. ALT1 boils down to "he took a stage name" which is trivial and nothing personal, no achievement. Better no DYK than that. I learned "only good about the dead", and I understand that it is "Did you know ...? interested in passing knowledge. I also claim that a play title such as "Dantons Death" is interesting, and that ALT0b is less interesting.

ALT0b: ... that Gerhard Klingenberg (pictured), who stepped in at Vienna's Burgtheater at age 18, managed the theatre from 1971 to 1976? -- Gerda Arendt ( talk) 19:40, 29 June 2024 (UTC) reply