Is there a specific reason why the link to a picture of a spodik (from the article on Rabbi Isaac Hutner) was removed? Should I write a short entry about what a spodik is, and then link it to the picture of Rabbi Isaac Hutner, and then link the whole spodik article to this article on Ger?
Similarly, would it be inappropriate (or too much detail) to write further about the Ger Hasidim's distinctive hat (an everyday hat, not a Spodik), as well as provide a picture of it?
i have some gerrer wedding videos that i would like to post links to. the link is http://youtube.com/watch?v=owi6tzww-0Q. do you all think this would be an appropriate video to post? let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.64.143.32 ( talk) 21:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Some vandal is constantly reverting all my edits and additions on this page. Ortho 03:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Now its starting in the Yisrael Alter page as well. Some of my edits are clearly needed and this is clear vandalism. Someone please help I'm unfamiliar with the procedure Ortho 05:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay now he got better and erased only what was offensive to him and replaced it by the paragraph entitled "Emphasis on Purity and Holiness". I concede to that title and to some of the material therein but most of it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. The fact that "It is very hard to describe how this was done. Only the people that had the Zchus (privilege & merit) to meet with him personally can truly understand this" is no reason to hold back the extremely interesting and noteworthy information that I posted. To be sure - any article anywere, much more so in an encyclopedia, about another foreign culture will never enable the reader to truly or fully understand that culture. Nevertheless the facts should still be available. Anyone interested in some very interesting facts about Ger should just go to "history" and see my latest edit that has since been erased. Ortho 23:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Unlike other Hassidim, Gerrer Hassidim are known to pray very quickly, so they have more time to study Talmud. In the middle of Sabbath prayers, Gerrer Hassidim take a break from praying to study.
The Bais Yisroel Z"L who was the 5th Gerrer Rebbe emphasized the portions of the Torah that deals with being holy and pure. He left a great impression on all walks of life that came in contact with him and was highly respected by all chasidic circles. His idea was to elevate every person to somehow become one level higher than his present state. There are countless stories from individuals (Chasidim and NON Chasidim) who met the Rebbe, which relate how he had a tremendous spiritual impact on them and how this strong impression will never leave them. What makes this even more impressive is that many of these encounters with the Rebbe were for a very short period of time.
Ger is by far the most restrictive of all Hasidic sects regarding sexual matters, allowing marital sex only once a month and without any foreplay even a simple hug or kiss. The Beis Yisrael is responsible for reinforcing these restrictions in Ger post WWII with great effort and amidst opposition from others outside Ger such as Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Kanievsky the Steipler Gaon.
Gerrer Hasidim do not walk in the street with their wives side by side rather she walks four cubits behind him. A Gerrer hasid will not utter the word "wife" rather he will say "bei mir in shtib" or "bei dir in shtib" ("in my house" or "in your house" respectively). (There are but a few sources in the Talmud that allude to such a way of speaking.) Itzik18 07:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC) as well as a link to a video clip Itzik18 07:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
In the section "Distribution of Gerrer Hasidim" it says "Rabbi Avraham Mordechai Alter, who managed to escape, set about the task of rebuilding the movement in the British Mandate of Palestine" and in section "The 5th Gerrer Rebbe" it says "The Beis Yisrael ... rebuilt Ger after its virtual destruction in World War II". This seems contradictory and should be decided or clarified. Debresser ( talk) 23:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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This article is about a Hassidic group that has had 7 Rebbes over the generations. These allegations are against one out of those 7 Rebbe's 9 children. Furthermore, the only source of these allegations is an Haaretz article which relies on a supposedly anonymous victim. There was never a police report or an investigation to corroborate it. Considering that Haaretz has been accused of being anti-Haredi and that there is Gerrer Opposition with motive to malign and besmirch the Gerrers and their leader, these allegations certainly appear to be highly questionable. Since these allegations aren't very relevant or corroborated and have not even received notable coverage (other then Haaretz - the additional citation quotes Haaretz) then why are they given a section on this wikipedia page? Wikipedia isn't a gossip section in a tabloid.-- Steamboat2020 ( talk) 16:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I added referenced info regarding the size of the breakaway group compared to the mainstream faction-- Steamboat2020 ( talk) 13:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
If there is a source that counts individuals, we'll use that figure. Ibadibam ( talk) 18:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)In a dramatic sequence of events in 2019, Rabbi Shaul Alter, first cousin of the Gur hassidic dynasty’s Grand Rabbi Yaakov Aryeh Alter, split away from the main Gur community following years of tension between the two, with some 300 families in Israel following him at the time.
@ Intellectual Person: You are moving in the right direction. Getting creative to build in the information you consider important by rewording it in a manner that is supported by a solid reference is smart editing but there are still two issues you need to correct. #1) The first part of the paragraph is a direct quote from the Jerusalem Post - so you can't just add on a sentence without distinguishing between the quote and the add on. I suggest you write something like "according to.... an average Haredi household consists of ......" #2) Your source is no good because (A) it is specifically discussing American Jewry and (B) the Author follows his estimate by saying "These numbers are, of course, difficult to pin down definitively" - which in essence means they could be wrong! You could use the 2009‐2059 Long‐Range Population Projections for Israel: Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics by Ari Paltiel, Michel Sepulchre, Irene Kornilenko, Martin Maldonado which states "The number of children per woman is 7.2" (it's quoted here:) -- I seems to be a more reliable source (I can't check it because the link to the source is no longer working) -- It would increase the total number of families to 11,111 which is actually more consistent with the "phone book" you initially wanted to use.-- Steamboat2020 ( talk) 04:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)
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Is there a specific reason why the link to a picture of a spodik (from the article on Rabbi Isaac Hutner) was removed? Should I write a short entry about what a spodik is, and then link it to the picture of Rabbi Isaac Hutner, and then link the whole spodik article to this article on Ger?
Similarly, would it be inappropriate (or too much detail) to write further about the Ger Hasidim's distinctive hat (an everyday hat, not a Spodik), as well as provide a picture of it?
i have some gerrer wedding videos that i would like to post links to. the link is http://youtube.com/watch?v=owi6tzww-0Q. do you all think this would be an appropriate video to post? let me know. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.64.143.32 ( talk) 21:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
Some vandal is constantly reverting all my edits and additions on this page. Ortho 03:34, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Now its starting in the Yisrael Alter page as well. Some of my edits are clearly needed and this is clear vandalism. Someone please help I'm unfamiliar with the procedure Ortho 05:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
Okay now he got better and erased only what was offensive to him and replaced it by the paragraph entitled "Emphasis on Purity and Holiness". I concede to that title and to some of the material therein but most of it is not appropriate for Wikipedia. The fact that "It is very hard to describe how this was done. Only the people that had the Zchus (privilege & merit) to meet with him personally can truly understand this" is no reason to hold back the extremely interesting and noteworthy information that I posted. To be sure - any article anywere, much more so in an encyclopedia, about another foreign culture will never enable the reader to truly or fully understand that culture. Nevertheless the facts should still be available. Anyone interested in some very interesting facts about Ger should just go to "history" and see my latest edit that has since been erased. Ortho 23:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Unlike other Hassidim, Gerrer Hassidim are known to pray very quickly, so they have more time to study Talmud. In the middle of Sabbath prayers, Gerrer Hassidim take a break from praying to study.
The Bais Yisroel Z"L who was the 5th Gerrer Rebbe emphasized the portions of the Torah that deals with being holy and pure. He left a great impression on all walks of life that came in contact with him and was highly respected by all chasidic circles. His idea was to elevate every person to somehow become one level higher than his present state. There are countless stories from individuals (Chasidim and NON Chasidim) who met the Rebbe, which relate how he had a tremendous spiritual impact on them and how this strong impression will never leave them. What makes this even more impressive is that many of these encounters with the Rebbe were for a very short period of time.
Ger is by far the most restrictive of all Hasidic sects regarding sexual matters, allowing marital sex only once a month and without any foreplay even a simple hug or kiss. The Beis Yisrael is responsible for reinforcing these restrictions in Ger post WWII with great effort and amidst opposition from others outside Ger such as Rabbi Yaakov Yisrael Kanievsky the Steipler Gaon.
Gerrer Hasidim do not walk in the street with their wives side by side rather she walks four cubits behind him. A Gerrer hasid will not utter the word "wife" rather he will say "bei mir in shtib" or "bei dir in shtib" ("in my house" or "in your house" respectively). (There are but a few sources in the Talmud that allude to such a way of speaking.) Itzik18 07:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC) as well as a link to a video clip Itzik18 07:29, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
In the section "Distribution of Gerrer Hasidim" it says "Rabbi Avraham Mordechai Alter, who managed to escape, set about the task of rebuilding the movement in the British Mandate of Palestine" and in section "The 5th Gerrer Rebbe" it says "The Beis Yisrael ... rebuilt Ger after its virtual destruction in World War II". This seems contradictory and should be decided or clarified. Debresser ( talk) 23:48, 4 July 2012 (UTC)
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This article is about a Hassidic group that has had 7 Rebbes over the generations. These allegations are against one out of those 7 Rebbe's 9 children. Furthermore, the only source of these allegations is an Haaretz article which relies on a supposedly anonymous victim. There was never a police report or an investigation to corroborate it. Considering that Haaretz has been accused of being anti-Haredi and that there is Gerrer Opposition with motive to malign and besmirch the Gerrers and their leader, these allegations certainly appear to be highly questionable. Since these allegations aren't very relevant or corroborated and have not even received notable coverage (other then Haaretz - the additional citation quotes Haaretz) then why are they given a section on this wikipedia page? Wikipedia isn't a gossip section in a tabloid.-- Steamboat2020 ( talk) 16:06, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
I added referenced info regarding the size of the breakaway group compared to the mainstream faction-- Steamboat2020 ( talk) 13:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
If there is a source that counts individuals, we'll use that figure. Ibadibam ( talk) 18:02, 10 November 2021 (UTC)In a dramatic sequence of events in 2019, Rabbi Shaul Alter, first cousin of the Gur hassidic dynasty’s Grand Rabbi Yaakov Aryeh Alter, split away from the main Gur community following years of tension between the two, with some 300 families in Israel following him at the time.
@ Intellectual Person: You are moving in the right direction. Getting creative to build in the information you consider important by rewording it in a manner that is supported by a solid reference is smart editing but there are still two issues you need to correct. #1) The first part of the paragraph is a direct quote from the Jerusalem Post - so you can't just add on a sentence without distinguishing between the quote and the add on. I suggest you write something like "according to.... an average Haredi household consists of ......" #2) Your source is no good because (A) it is specifically discussing American Jewry and (B) the Author follows his estimate by saying "These numbers are, of course, difficult to pin down definitively" - which in essence means they could be wrong! You could use the 2009‐2059 Long‐Range Population Projections for Israel: Israeli Central Bureau of Statistics by Ari Paltiel, Michel Sepulchre, Irene Kornilenko, Martin Maldonado which states "The number of children per woman is 7.2" (it's quoted here:) -- I seems to be a more reliable source (I can't check it because the link to the source is no longer working) -- It would increase the total number of families to 11,111 which is actually more consistent with the "phone book" you initially wanted to use.-- Steamboat2020 ( talk) 04:07, 3 December 2021 (UTC)