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I'm biased, but isn't it better? Yes; the Serbs have their own page, and so do the Croats. But remember who links to this page. -- VKokielov 04:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've moved the page back, because it's not fair any other way. But don't take out the mention of the Jews. You know what you mean when you do it, and so do I. Let's not pretend. -- VKokielov 04:28, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
And remember: the Jews distinguish themselves from the Orthodox Georgians. -- VKokielov 04:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dear Marnen Laibow-Koser, I say about "ethnicity". Megrels, Lazs, Svans are not independent ethnic groups. They are ethnographic groups of the Georgian people. Georgian Jews are not ethnic Georgians, they are representatives of other ethnic group. My father is Laz, my Mother is Imeretian, my grandmothers were Megrels = we all are ethnic Georgians. Levzur 29 Apr 2005
Dear Levzur, the question of Marten comes not from ignorance of Georgia, but from ignorance of rules of descendance for various nationalities. From his last name I suspect that he is Jew. From my dilettante knowledge of Jewish laws, a son of a Jewish mother is a Jew (I don't know if there are exceptions). He apparently thinks that the same rule applies everywhere, hence the surprized tone of the question. He is also apparently unaware that not all ethnicities pay so strict attention to the exact ethnos among close ethnic groups. Not to say that ethoses split, merge, assimilate, disappear... After all, it appears that we all have a common pramother.
See Matrilineality and Patrilineality for a "scientific" answer. Mikkalai 21:01, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Should we consider to move this page to "Georgians" instead of "Georgian people"? Sosomk 09:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Please explain what are the criteria for selection of photos in the infobox. I do not understand why Princess Ekaterine Dadiani is included. Cann't comment on George Chavchavadze and Teymuraz Bagrationi, despite being Georgian I've never heard of them. Performing art people are clearly overrepresented. I would not include the current president of the state as well, if someone else gets elected soon should we put him here too? Stalin is by far the best recognizible Georgian, why not include him? Why forget Rustaveli? Tamokk 15:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
And the David the builders picture is an artists perception, and we have old frescos of him surviving. Tamokk 17:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Stalin was not a major issue in what I have written. Nothing is wrong if art people are overrepresented, exept that it is only possible if others are underrepresented. My suggestion would be: David the builder, Queen Tamar, Rustaveli, Erekle 2, Pyotr Bagration, Ilia Chavchavadze, Takaishvili or javakhishvili or someone else, Stalin, Gamsakhurdia, Isakadze Tamokk 19:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
But on the whole, this now version is better. Only I think we should better remove Saakashvili. Tamokk 19:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Or Isakadze for Saakashvili.
Also, there is something wrong with the picture with the caption that reads "Georgian children from Svaneti" in the Gallery. That is the main reason I joined in on this convo. If it could be checked to see if it's not just me, that would be greeeeeeeat. - Clown57
In fact I am not against Saakashvili very much. But, why dislike Stalin so much? I would not put him in the company of Mussolini, Mao and others. Tamok
Both of my grandfathers were in WW2. But Stalin was a national pride for many Georgians that time. Tamok
This article says that Georgian women are well known for their beauty. That seems to be rather POV, and what is meant by it? Are Georgian women more beautiful than women of other nationalities? What is meant by well known for their beauty? JdeJ 20:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to say in the article that Georgia is well known for cheeseburgers, another common knowledge stereotype. Then we could of course support this statement with such undisputable examples as imeruli khaxhafuri, acharuli khachapuri, achma and penovani. Tamokk
I've removed this image because:
I took an image of the piece myself, which is at Commons. -- Zaqarbal 18:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Please remember that Georgian Jews don't call themselves Georgians.
This is a very good article that stands to benefit from some reorganization. I think that the "Origins," "Population and Geographical Spread," and "Ethnographic Subdivisions" subsections are the most directly relevant and polished sections--perhaps we should move them to the top of the article. Thoughts? -- Treemother199 04:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
As it currently stands, I think the history section is not appropriate for this page. This is a history of the Georgian nation, rather than the Georgian people(s). That is, this is not an ethnographic history--something which this page certainly needs. An ethnographic history would chart the formation of the 4 principle Georgian ethnic groups--it would explain the ancient Svan split, the coming together of the Kartuli sub-groups into one ethnic group, recent conflict between Mingrelians and Kartvelebi (post-Gamsakhurdia), and the centrifugal forces contributing to the divergence between groups within the Laz group.
I propose that the current history section be removed from this article (and replaced by an ethnographic history) and merged with the existing history articles at Georgia (country) and History of Georgia (country). What do other editors think? -- Treemother199 04:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
This subsection has a big NPOV problem. I personally would agree with much of what is written, but it currently reads like a travel brochure, not an encyclopedia entry. And I think that Rosen's quote should go as well--we're not trying to "sell" Georgia; we should stick to non-subjective, encyclopedic material. I don't intend to do anything with this section for a couple days--I'd like to hear opinions on how to revise this section. -- Treemother199 01:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
How can Georgians not be nationalistic but have a strong sense of national unity? Zhang Guo Lao 22:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I've put a POV on the Georgian Character section. Although the quote and section on Georgian hospitality isn't bad (although it would be better to support it with more than one quote), there are several unsourced comments here that any national group would claim to be true for them. Good examples of it are:
Georgians have been said to be irreverent, good humored, and generally high spirited.
and
Georgians are highly gifted in the world of arts, which include: music, cinema, theatre, painting, literature, poetry, and other artistic endeavors.
Also, I echo Zhang Guo Lao's comment about Georgians having a strong sense of national unity but not are at the same time not nationalistic. This is especially problematic given Georgia's political history after the fall of the Soviet Union, where slogans like 'A Georgia for Georgians' were relatively widespread.
A rewrite for POV would be nice here, unless there are specific citations that can be added. I think that the artistic achievements should be moved to another section (perhaps its own), since if there is so much going on here it would be better if it was elaborated. Any other ideas? -- jrs 14:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Guys, please stop edit warring over this. Discuss the article and not the subject: no one is interested to know your opinions. Just report what third-party, reliable sources say Georgians. That being said, aren't most Georgians in Iran Shiite? This article is not only about people living in Georgia, but the diaspora as well. Khoi khoi 05:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry, but this is a matter of princile. See the disscussion above. When I was arguing that image gallary here should not depend on the political sympathies of the editors, some began to fight for Misha and for the Motherland. Where is Saakashvili's picture now?
P.S. I agree that Saakashvili is not that bad guy after all. Born to a Soviet inteligentsia familly and educated in some of the best universities of the world. Besides, now he seems to have started to get rid of the savages. Soon we'll be an enlightened Soviet nation again, and Georgia will get reintegrated with mother Russia! Ura! Tamokk 02:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I checked Georgian news recently, and found out that the defence minister had said that Saakashvili had grudges against Georgian culture and religion or something like that. Then I came here and found his picture removed. I just wanted to defend the President (from possible POV pushers of course). But now I see that it was simply a rotation of images. a ia dumal shto bludnii sin vazvrashalsia k materi. Naive me :( Tamokk 06:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
This is not a place for polemics and pro-Russian Neo-Soviet propaganda. Tamokk keep your delusions and political POVs to yourself. This page is designed for content discussion and not some gibberish about resurrecting mother Russia. And also please stop vandalizing this article and removing images. Take your polemics somewhere else buddy. Iberieli 13:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there another source that can verify this claim as the source used is the [Encyclopedia of the Orient http://i-cias.com/e.o/turkey_4.htm] which likely doesn't qualify under WP:RS. I think what they may have done is take all the Laz people in Turkey and called them Georgians and this is rather dubious as those Laz likely consider themselves Turks. The Georgian_language article says there are 50,000 Georgian speakers in Turkey. Would this be a more appropriate number? Pocopocopocopoco 02:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
He is not notable?-- mrg3105 mrg3105 02:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Elepter Andronikashvili was a renowned Soviet physisist of Georgian origin. He performed a famous experiment that is discussed in most books on superfluidity (Andronikashvili experiment). Maybe his name can be put among famous Georgians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.194.201 ( talk) 02:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Some users are reinserting the category Christian people on this page, so let me point out that it's completely inappropriate. The category is to be used for individuals who identify as Christians. The category is not used for any other people article on Wikipedia and should under no circumstances be used here. As a matter of fact, there are Muslim Georgians and Atheist Georgians and adding such a category is insulting to them as it implies people belonging to other religions or to no religion would be less Georgian than a Christian. Thar is a form of racism and contrary to Wikipedia policies. It is also completely out of line to try to force one's own religious convictions on anyone else. JdeJ ( talk) 20:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Already in the introduction, we are told that most battles "ended with the Georgian victory", no references given. Then comes some weasel words and original research about the ethnicity, stating that "Most historians and scholars of Georgia as well as anthropologists, archaeologists and linguists tend to agree...", again with no references being given. The whole history section in unreferenced and filled with statements like "the most glorious sovereign of Georgia of that period was definitely Queen Tamar ". When we enter the heading Georgian character (an unsuitable heading in any article on a people), we are informed that Georgians are "good humored, and generally high spirited people." Nice, but OR and peacock. We're then told that "Georgians are highly gifted in the world of arts" which also is nice but again violates the same policies. We're then served more OR along the lines of Georgians "all share a common sense of strong national unity". Next follows a very long list of supposedly famous Georgians, very few of whom have an article about them on Wikipedia resulting in longs lists of red links. All in all, this article is surprisingly badly written and of a very low standard. It needs massive cleaning up. JdeJ ( talk) 10:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree about Turkey and Iran, where the majority of Georgians (if not all) are Muslims, however, in case of Autonomous Republic of Adjara, we can justly say that there is a small community of Muslim Georgians there (mainly Khulo region) and Islam does not constitute the religion of the majority in Adjara. It is a wrong assumption that all Adjarians are Muslims, and therefore it is a Muslim region of Georgia. Iberieli ( talk) 20:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This really isn't related to the article, but I'm dying to know what the name and function is of those little cylinders pocketed across the chest in rows. I've seen other Eastern European groups employ them in their traditional dress as well and I'd like to know more about it. D Boland ( talk) 21:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Apparently they're called Gaziri, and date back to the Caucasian wars of the mid-19th Century. They're for holding measured charges of gun powder for easy and precise loading of a firearm. Now a days they're obviously ornamental. This meager information was found in The Russo-Japanese War 1904-05 By Philip S. Jowett, Alexei Ivanov, Andrei Karachtchouk, Osprey Publishing. D Boland ( talk) 23:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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Could you please update data on georgian population in canada 2200 and australia: 385 this is the sources:
little georgian is very sweet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.63.202 ( talk) 19:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Gamarjobat, Megobrebo. This article had to be about all Georgians oin all countries. I see that this is now mainly about Georgians of Georgia. I will point out to some thinsg which need more work. In the pictures, no picture is included from the Georgians of Iran and Turkey. I suggest one from Iran and one from Turkey be included. 2- the total populations of Georgians all over the world is not 7-8 million. Most Georgians in othe countries are counted twice among Georgians of georgia3.9 mil. Iranian Georgians and Georgians (and Laz)of Turkey are not included to this number. Also those in the republic of Azerbaijan and Russia might not be counted double. I would count meskheians in this number too, because they are not Turks. They are fro the bigger part Muslim Georgians. All and all the number will be closer to 5.5 worldwide that 7-8. Having said this out of this 5,5 million 3,5 million are Christians and and about 2 million are Myuslims. the figure 9.9 refers only to Georgia. Just count the Muslims Ajarains of georgia, Georgians and Laz of Turkey, Iranian georgiana dn meskehtian, you come around 2 Million. Also I think Shia not only Sunni hanafi should be mentioned but also Shia Islam. In Iran all are Shia and 60,000 is only the lower limit. In the reppublic of Azerbaijan those who are close to Azeris and interact with them are Shia. Those who are close to Avar and Tasakhur and interact withe them are Sunni and another group is Christian.Georgians are a diverse people and yet all are Georgians. Georgian are historically known to be very tolerant. It is certainly not republic of Azerbaijan, Armenia, Abkhazia or Russia. Georgia has always been prod of its diversity and regarded it as its cultural wealth. Kargad iq'avit. -- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 19:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this article does not give a favourable impression of Georgians. Looking at the picture at the top of famous Georgians, there are 18 individuals yet only two women. To avoid presenting a picture of Georgia as a highly unequal society, I would strongly encourage removing at least 4-5 of the males and adding 4-5 females instead. Jeppiz ( talk) 17:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I've fully protected the page due to the simmering edit war. It appears the crux of the dispute is edit warring over who the Georgians *are*. Please communicate HERE, not just in edit summaries, and explain why certain groups should or should not be included. tedder ( talk) 09:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I can't speak for Tedder, but if I'd been in his position, I'd have removed the whole discussion, too. Not as a judgment of the people participating, but to create an opportunity for a fresh start. Kober, leaving your comment in without the rest of the discussion would have created confusion, as it was related to another comment that was removed.
You guys can do whatever you want, but my strong recommendation would be that you take advantage of an opportunity to step back and make your points in a more collegial, dispassionate way. - Pete ( talk) 18:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
If one adds together all the populations listed in the infobox, the total number is between 5 million (low estimate of Georgians in Turkey) and 6.3 (high estimate). Why is then such a number (which is unsourced) stated as the total population? I know that these matters, so I won't change it for now, but it's really necessary that a source is placed for this number. Kostja ( talk) 13:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
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I'm biased, but isn't it better? Yes; the Serbs have their own page, and so do the Croats. But remember who links to this page. -- VKokielov 04:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
I've moved the page back, because it's not fair any other way. But don't take out the mention of the Jews. You know what you mean when you do it, and so do I. Let's not pretend. -- VKokielov 04:28, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
And remember: the Jews distinguish themselves from the Orthodox Georgians. -- VKokielov 04:29, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Dear Marnen Laibow-Koser, I say about "ethnicity". Megrels, Lazs, Svans are not independent ethnic groups. They are ethnographic groups of the Georgian people. Georgian Jews are not ethnic Georgians, they are representatives of other ethnic group. My father is Laz, my Mother is Imeretian, my grandmothers were Megrels = we all are ethnic Georgians. Levzur 29 Apr 2005
Dear Levzur, the question of Marten comes not from ignorance of Georgia, but from ignorance of rules of descendance for various nationalities. From his last name I suspect that he is Jew. From my dilettante knowledge of Jewish laws, a son of a Jewish mother is a Jew (I don't know if there are exceptions). He apparently thinks that the same rule applies everywhere, hence the surprized tone of the question. He is also apparently unaware that not all ethnicities pay so strict attention to the exact ethnos among close ethnic groups. Not to say that ethoses split, merge, assimilate, disappear... After all, it appears that we all have a common pramother.
See Matrilineality and Patrilineality for a "scientific" answer. Mikkalai 21:01, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
Should we consider to move this page to "Georgians" instead of "Georgian people"? Sosomk 09:19, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
Please explain what are the criteria for selection of photos in the infobox. I do not understand why Princess Ekaterine Dadiani is included. Cann't comment on George Chavchavadze and Teymuraz Bagrationi, despite being Georgian I've never heard of them. Performing art people are clearly overrepresented. I would not include the current president of the state as well, if someone else gets elected soon should we put him here too? Stalin is by far the best recognizible Georgian, why not include him? Why forget Rustaveli? Tamokk 15:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
And the David the builders picture is an artists perception, and we have old frescos of him surviving. Tamokk 17:02, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Stalin was not a major issue in what I have written. Nothing is wrong if art people are overrepresented, exept that it is only possible if others are underrepresented. My suggestion would be: David the builder, Queen Tamar, Rustaveli, Erekle 2, Pyotr Bagration, Ilia Chavchavadze, Takaishvili or javakhishvili or someone else, Stalin, Gamsakhurdia, Isakadze Tamokk 19:27, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
But on the whole, this now version is better. Only I think we should better remove Saakashvili. Tamokk 19:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
Or Isakadze for Saakashvili.
Also, there is something wrong with the picture with the caption that reads "Georgian children from Svaneti" in the Gallery. That is the main reason I joined in on this convo. If it could be checked to see if it's not just me, that would be greeeeeeeat. - Clown57
In fact I am not against Saakashvili very much. But, why dislike Stalin so much? I would not put him in the company of Mussolini, Mao and others. Tamok
Both of my grandfathers were in WW2. But Stalin was a national pride for many Georgians that time. Tamok
This article says that Georgian women are well known for their beauty. That seems to be rather POV, and what is meant by it? Are Georgian women more beautiful than women of other nationalities? What is meant by well known for their beauty? JdeJ 20:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
My suggestion would be to say in the article that Georgia is well known for cheeseburgers, another common knowledge stereotype. Then we could of course support this statement with such undisputable examples as imeruli khaxhafuri, acharuli khachapuri, achma and penovani. Tamokk
I've removed this image because:
I took an image of the piece myself, which is at Commons. -- Zaqarbal 18:47, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
Please remember that Georgian Jews don't call themselves Georgians.
This is a very good article that stands to benefit from some reorganization. I think that the "Origins," "Population and Geographical Spread," and "Ethnographic Subdivisions" subsections are the most directly relevant and polished sections--perhaps we should move them to the top of the article. Thoughts? -- Treemother199 04:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
As it currently stands, I think the history section is not appropriate for this page. This is a history of the Georgian nation, rather than the Georgian people(s). That is, this is not an ethnographic history--something which this page certainly needs. An ethnographic history would chart the formation of the 4 principle Georgian ethnic groups--it would explain the ancient Svan split, the coming together of the Kartuli sub-groups into one ethnic group, recent conflict between Mingrelians and Kartvelebi (post-Gamsakhurdia), and the centrifugal forces contributing to the divergence between groups within the Laz group.
I propose that the current history section be removed from this article (and replaced by an ethnographic history) and merged with the existing history articles at Georgia (country) and History of Georgia (country). What do other editors think? -- Treemother199 04:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
This subsection has a big NPOV problem. I personally would agree with much of what is written, but it currently reads like a travel brochure, not an encyclopedia entry. And I think that Rosen's quote should go as well--we're not trying to "sell" Georgia; we should stick to non-subjective, encyclopedic material. I don't intend to do anything with this section for a couple days--I'd like to hear opinions on how to revise this section. -- Treemother199 01:44, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
How can Georgians not be nationalistic but have a strong sense of national unity? Zhang Guo Lao 22:12, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Hey all, I've put a POV on the Georgian Character section. Although the quote and section on Georgian hospitality isn't bad (although it would be better to support it with more than one quote), there are several unsourced comments here that any national group would claim to be true for them. Good examples of it are:
Georgians have been said to be irreverent, good humored, and generally high spirited.
and
Georgians are highly gifted in the world of arts, which include: music, cinema, theatre, painting, literature, poetry, and other artistic endeavors.
Also, I echo Zhang Guo Lao's comment about Georgians having a strong sense of national unity but not are at the same time not nationalistic. This is especially problematic given Georgia's political history after the fall of the Soviet Union, where slogans like 'A Georgia for Georgians' were relatively widespread.
A rewrite for POV would be nice here, unless there are specific citations that can be added. I think that the artistic achievements should be moved to another section (perhaps its own), since if there is so much going on here it would be better if it was elaborated. Any other ideas? -- jrs 14:12, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
Guys, please stop edit warring over this. Discuss the article and not the subject: no one is interested to know your opinions. Just report what third-party, reliable sources say Georgians. That being said, aren't most Georgians in Iran Shiite? This article is not only about people living in Georgia, but the diaspora as well. Khoi khoi 05:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
I am sorry, but this is a matter of princile. See the disscussion above. When I was arguing that image gallary here should not depend on the political sympathies of the editors, some began to fight for Misha and for the Motherland. Where is Saakashvili's picture now?
P.S. I agree that Saakashvili is not that bad guy after all. Born to a Soviet inteligentsia familly and educated in some of the best universities of the world. Besides, now he seems to have started to get rid of the savages. Soon we'll be an enlightened Soviet nation again, and Georgia will get reintegrated with mother Russia! Ura! Tamokk 02:57, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
Actually, I checked Georgian news recently, and found out that the defence minister had said that Saakashvili had grudges against Georgian culture and religion or something like that. Then I came here and found his picture removed. I just wanted to defend the President (from possible POV pushers of course). But now I see that it was simply a rotation of images. a ia dumal shto bludnii sin vazvrashalsia k materi. Naive me :( Tamokk 06:29, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
This is not a place for polemics and pro-Russian Neo-Soviet propaganda. Tamokk keep your delusions and political POVs to yourself. This page is designed for content discussion and not some gibberish about resurrecting mother Russia. And also please stop vandalizing this article and removing images. Take your polemics somewhere else buddy. Iberieli 13:57, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
Is there another source that can verify this claim as the source used is the [Encyclopedia of the Orient http://i-cias.com/e.o/turkey_4.htm] which likely doesn't qualify under WP:RS. I think what they may have done is take all the Laz people in Turkey and called them Georgians and this is rather dubious as those Laz likely consider themselves Turks. The Georgian_language article says there are 50,000 Georgian speakers in Turkey. Would this be a more appropriate number? Pocopocopocopoco 02:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
He is not notable?-- mrg3105 mrg3105 02:23, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
Elepter Andronikashvili was a renowned Soviet physisist of Georgian origin. He performed a famous experiment that is discussed in most books on superfluidity (Andronikashvili experiment). Maybe his name can be put among famous Georgians. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.217.194.201 ( talk) 02:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
Some users are reinserting the category Christian people on this page, so let me point out that it's completely inappropriate. The category is to be used for individuals who identify as Christians. The category is not used for any other people article on Wikipedia and should under no circumstances be used here. As a matter of fact, there are Muslim Georgians and Atheist Georgians and adding such a category is insulting to them as it implies people belonging to other religions or to no religion would be less Georgian than a Christian. Thar is a form of racism and contrary to Wikipedia policies. It is also completely out of line to try to force one's own religious convictions on anyone else. JdeJ ( talk) 20:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Already in the introduction, we are told that most battles "ended with the Georgian victory", no references given. Then comes some weasel words and original research about the ethnicity, stating that "Most historians and scholars of Georgia as well as anthropologists, archaeologists and linguists tend to agree...", again with no references being given. The whole history section in unreferenced and filled with statements like "the most glorious sovereign of Georgia of that period was definitely Queen Tamar ". When we enter the heading Georgian character (an unsuitable heading in any article on a people), we are informed that Georgians are "good humored, and generally high spirited people." Nice, but OR and peacock. We're then told that "Georgians are highly gifted in the world of arts" which also is nice but again violates the same policies. We're then served more OR along the lines of Georgians "all share a common sense of strong national unity". Next follows a very long list of supposedly famous Georgians, very few of whom have an article about them on Wikipedia resulting in longs lists of red links. All in all, this article is surprisingly badly written and of a very low standard. It needs massive cleaning up. JdeJ ( talk) 10:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree about Turkey and Iran, where the majority of Georgians (if not all) are Muslims, however, in case of Autonomous Republic of Adjara, we can justly say that there is a small community of Muslim Georgians there (mainly Khulo region) and Islam does not constitute the religion of the majority in Adjara. It is a wrong assumption that all Adjarians are Muslims, and therefore it is a Muslim region of Georgia. Iberieli ( talk) 20:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
This really isn't related to the article, but I'm dying to know what the name and function is of those little cylinders pocketed across the chest in rows. I've seen other Eastern European groups employ them in their traditional dress as well and I'd like to know more about it. D Boland ( talk) 21:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Apparently they're called Gaziri, and date back to the Caucasian wars of the mid-19th Century. They're for holding measured charges of gun powder for easy and precise loading of a firearm. Now a days they're obviously ornamental. This meager information was found in The Russo-Japanese War 1904-05 By Philip S. Jowett, Alexei Ivanov, Andrei Karachtchouk, Osprey Publishing. D Boland ( talk) 23:18, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
I've re-protected the page. Discuss changes here, please. Mark 1 12:59, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
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Could you please update data on georgian population in canada 2200 and australia: 385 this is the sources:
little georgian is very sweet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.171.63.202 ( talk) 19:44, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
Gamarjobat, Megobrebo. This article had to be about all Georgians oin all countries. I see that this is now mainly about Georgians of Georgia. I will point out to some thinsg which need more work. In the pictures, no picture is included from the Georgians of Iran and Turkey. I suggest one from Iran and one from Turkey be included. 2- the total populations of Georgians all over the world is not 7-8 million. Most Georgians in othe countries are counted twice among Georgians of georgia3.9 mil. Iranian Georgians and Georgians (and Laz)of Turkey are not included to this number. Also those in the republic of Azerbaijan and Russia might not be counted double. I would count meskheians in this number too, because they are not Turks. They are fro the bigger part Muslim Georgians. All and all the number will be closer to 5.5 worldwide that 7-8. Having said this out of this 5,5 million 3,5 million are Christians and and about 2 million are Myuslims. the figure 9.9 refers only to Georgia. Just count the Muslims Ajarains of georgia, Georgians and Laz of Turkey, Iranian georgiana dn meskehtian, you come around 2 Million. Also I think Shia not only Sunni hanafi should be mentioned but also Shia Islam. In Iran all are Shia and 60,000 is only the lower limit. In the reppublic of Azerbaijan those who are close to Azeris and interact with them are Shia. Those who are close to Avar and Tasakhur and interact withe them are Sunni and another group is Christian.Georgians are a diverse people and yet all are Georgians. Georgian are historically known to be very tolerant. It is certainly not republic of Azerbaijan, Armenia, Abkhazia or Russia. Georgia has always been prod of its diversity and regarded it as its cultural wealth. Kargad iq'avit. -- Babakexorramdin ( talk) 19:48, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Unfortunately, this article does not give a favourable impression of Georgians. Looking at the picture at the top of famous Georgians, there are 18 individuals yet only two women. To avoid presenting a picture of Georgia as a highly unequal society, I would strongly encourage removing at least 4-5 of the males and adding 4-5 females instead. Jeppiz ( talk) 17:26, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
I've fully protected the page due to the simmering edit war. It appears the crux of the dispute is edit warring over who the Georgians *are*. Please communicate HERE, not just in edit summaries, and explain why certain groups should or should not be included. tedder ( talk) 09:39, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
I can't speak for Tedder, but if I'd been in his position, I'd have removed the whole discussion, too. Not as a judgment of the people participating, but to create an opportunity for a fresh start. Kober, leaving your comment in without the rest of the discussion would have created confusion, as it was related to another comment that was removed.
You guys can do whatever you want, but my strong recommendation would be that you take advantage of an opportunity to step back and make your points in a more collegial, dispassionate way. - Pete ( talk) 18:05, 24 December 2009 (UTC)
If one adds together all the populations listed in the infobox, the total number is between 5 million (low estimate of Georgians in Turkey) and 6.3 (high estimate). Why is then such a number (which is unsourced) stated as the total population? I know that these matters, so I won't change it for now, but it's really necessary that a source is placed for this number. Kostja ( talk) 13:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)