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General Meade's full name is George Gordon Meade.
I wonder how he could have been graduated at the age of 19. Were the age-requirements lower at that time?-- Anglius 23:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Under the paragraph heading ‘With Grant’. There is a statement that says: (and that Sheridan, his junior, was promoted to permanent major general before he was).
I checked with the reference Eicher & Eicher, Civil War High Commands and it states that Meade’s commission was dated 23 Sept 1864 while Sheridan’s was dated 8 Nov 1864. Meade always outranked Sheridan. This line should be removed. Dmercado 03:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I have done a significant upgrade on this article. If the person who originally added the two books on lighthouses would like to adjust footnotes appropriately and move those back into the References section, that would be fine with me. I have access to neither of those books, so could not use citations from them in this edit. Hal Jespersen 00:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but as you can see from all of the other footnotes in the article, the way I have it organized is the bibliographic information on the book is covered in the References section and the footnotes themselves carry only the author's name and the page numbers. Can you please update accordingly? Thanks. By the way, since this is such a small part of the article, if one of those references covers the subject, two footnotes will not be necessary. Hal Jespersen 14:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Happy Birthday to George Gordon Meade, born on this day in 1815! Hal Jespersen 18:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
The following paragraph was modified on May 2 to add the sentence beginning "Notably..." I have removed it for the following reasons:
If you assume that Meade was not responsible for his conduct under Grant (which I do not), about the only statement of this type that one can make with impunity would be to reverse its sense: "In 1863, Meade was the only general to defeat Lee in a battle." (In 1861, McClellan defeated Lee in the West Virginia campaign. In 1862, McClellan defeated him at Beaver Dam Creek and Malvern Hill, although his Peninsula Campaign did not go well overall.) If the editor of this revision would like to pursue a statement of this type in a more appropriate location, please provide a citation from a secondary source for the claim. Hal Jespersen ( talk) 14:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
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General Meade lived at 1836 Delancey Place, Philadelphia, and died in the house, 1872. The Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission marker in front is copyrighted and trademarked, so a photo of it cannot appear in Wikipedia without permission. The story is that he was offered the house by the citizens of Philadelphia, but modestly declined, so they asked his wife if she would accept it, and she said "Sure!" I have this story from a TV show, but perhaps it is documented elsewhere. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 20:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
As fine an article as this is, there are several troubling aspects to it - a lack of citation at some key points and the intrusion at others of an auctorial voice. For example, the last sentence under "Command Decisions" reads -
How is an editorial comment such as this last sentence (or references to Sickles as "infamous" or "grossly insubordinate"), which is off-topic for an article on Meade and which includes the homiletic "should," ever or in any way appropriate in an encyclopedia article? American Heritage, yes; professionally-written encyclopedia, no. Sensei48 ( talk) 15:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. General consensus against moving George Meade (merchant). There's some support for moving George Meade to somewhere but none gained enough consensus here. I would suggest a new RM to determine the correct new title for that page. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 08:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
– Per COMMONNAME and NATURALDIS. The general is most commonly given his middle name or at least an initial, which distinguishes him from his lesser-known merchant grandfather and his son.
See Google Ngram. From a quick search of the modern scholarly references in the article that I could look at, "Gordon" is given by Coddington ( p. 209), Huntington (title), Sauers (title), Sears ( p. 198), Tagg ( n.p.), Warner ( p. 315); only "G." by Eicher ( p. 857), Sauers (in Gallagher, p. 231), Rhea ( p. 8). Also in The Life and Letters of George Gordon Meade, and Fort George G. Meade, Maryland. I found none which omit the middle name entirely, except in short form after giving it in full. Kim Post ( talk) 02:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit that added "Google-eyed" to Meade's nickname, "Old Snapping Turtle". A couple of sources I found for including "google-eyed" were blogs, but I did find this publication, Stowe, Christopher S. (December 2015). "George Gordon Meade and the Boundaries of Nineteenth-Century Military Masculinity". Civil War History. 61 (4): 363–399. doi: 10.1353/cwh.2015.0072., in which Meade's comment that soldiers had called him a "d----d old google-eyed snapping-turtle" is labeled as "perhaps apocryphal". I therefore question the significance of including a possibly apocryphal "google-eyed" in the infobox. - Donald Albury 16:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Meade [reluctantly] deferred to Grant's judgment and sent [Sheridan] on a raid toward Richmond, directly challenging the Confederate cavalry.
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I'll review this over the weekend. I'm moderately familiar with Meade and own print copies of a few of the sources, so I figured I'd go ahead and review this. Hog Farm Talk 00:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
For starters:
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to quick-fail this one. With uncited text, unreliable sources, and spots where not all of the content is supported by the sources, these needs a fair bit of work before it's close to GA status. If you disagree with my decision to quick-fail, you can ask for a second hearing at WT:GAN. Hog Farm Talk 03:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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I'll review this again but it'll be slow going. Hog Farm Talk 14:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Waiting til the end of the review to go through the lead, and will start with the beginning of the body
I'm going to take this section-by-section due to the amount of time it will take to verify the sources in each section. Hog Farm Talk 22:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I still don't think the sourcing is at a GA-level; I've found too many unsupported passage/omissions/errors here to be comfortable with the sourcing. I don't think the GA reviewer should have to line-by-line the article's citations like this. Going to go ahead and fail it here; I don't have time to continue to line-by-line for the rest of the review, and I don't feel comfortable not digging in that deep. Hog Farm Talk 23:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
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General Meade's full name is George Gordon Meade.
I wonder how he could have been graduated at the age of 19. Were the age-requirements lower at that time?-- Anglius 23:35, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Under the paragraph heading ‘With Grant’. There is a statement that says: (and that Sheridan, his junior, was promoted to permanent major general before he was).
I checked with the reference Eicher & Eicher, Civil War High Commands and it states that Meade’s commission was dated 23 Sept 1864 while Sheridan’s was dated 8 Nov 1864. Meade always outranked Sheridan. This line should be removed. Dmercado 03:40, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
I have done a significant upgrade on this article. If the person who originally added the two books on lighthouses would like to adjust footnotes appropriately and move those back into the References section, that would be fine with me. I have access to neither of those books, so could not use citations from them in this edit. Hal Jespersen 00:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Thanks, but as you can see from all of the other footnotes in the article, the way I have it organized is the bibliographic information on the book is covered in the References section and the footnotes themselves carry only the author's name and the page numbers. Can you please update accordingly? Thanks. By the way, since this is such a small part of the article, if one of those references covers the subject, two footnotes will not be necessary. Hal Jespersen 14:31, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
Happy Birthday to George Gordon Meade, born on this day in 1815! Hal Jespersen 18:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
The following paragraph was modified on May 2 to add the sentence beginning "Notably..." I have removed it for the following reasons:
If you assume that Meade was not responsible for his conduct under Grant (which I do not), about the only statement of this type that one can make with impunity would be to reverse its sense: "In 1863, Meade was the only general to defeat Lee in a battle." (In 1861, McClellan defeated Lee in the West Virginia campaign. In 1862, McClellan defeated him at Beaver Dam Creek and Malvern Hill, although his Peninsula Campaign did not go well overall.) If the editor of this revision would like to pursue a statement of this type in a more appropriate location, please provide a citation from a secondary source for the claim. Hal Jespersen ( talk) 14:49, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
References
General Meade lived at 1836 Delancey Place, Philadelphia, and died in the house, 1872. The Pennsylvania Historical and Museum Commission marker in front is copyrighted and trademarked, so a photo of it cannot appear in Wikipedia without permission. The story is that he was offered the house by the citizens of Philadelphia, but modestly declined, so they asked his wife if she would accept it, and she said "Sure!" I have this story from a TV show, but perhaps it is documented elsewhere. -- DThomsen8 ( talk) 20:20, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
As fine an article as this is, there are several troubling aspects to it - a lack of citation at some key points and the intrusion at others of an auctorial voice. For example, the last sentence under "Command Decisions" reads -
How is an editorial comment such as this last sentence (or references to Sickles as "infamous" or "grossly insubordinate"), which is off-topic for an article on Meade and which includes the homiletic "should," ever or in any way appropriate in an encyclopedia article? American Heritage, yes; professionally-written encyclopedia, no. Sensei48 ( talk) 15:05, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
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The result of the move request was: Not moved. General consensus against moving George Meade (merchant). There's some support for moving George Meade to somewhere but none gained enough consensus here. I would suggest a new RM to determine the correct new title for that page. ( non-admin closure) – Ammarpad ( talk) 08:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
– Per COMMONNAME and NATURALDIS. The general is most commonly given his middle name or at least an initial, which distinguishes him from his lesser-known merchant grandfather and his son.
See Google Ngram. From a quick search of the modern scholarly references in the article that I could look at, "Gordon" is given by Coddington ( p. 209), Huntington (title), Sauers (title), Sears ( p. 198), Tagg ( n.p.), Warner ( p. 315); only "G." by Eicher ( p. 857), Sauers (in Gallagher, p. 231), Rhea ( p. 8). Also in The Life and Letters of George Gordon Meade, and Fort George G. Meade, Maryland. I found none which omit the middle name entirely, except in short form after giving it in full. Kim Post ( talk) 02:47, 21 January 2019 (UTC)
I just reverted an edit that added "Google-eyed" to Meade's nickname, "Old Snapping Turtle". A couple of sources I found for including "google-eyed" were blogs, but I did find this publication, Stowe, Christopher S. (December 2015). "George Gordon Meade and the Boundaries of Nineteenth-Century Military Masculinity". Civil War History. 61 (4): 363–399. doi: 10.1353/cwh.2015.0072., in which Meade's comment that soldiers had called him a "d----d old google-eyed snapping-turtle" is labeled as "perhaps apocryphal". I therefore question the significance of including a possibly apocryphal "google-eyed" in the infobox. - Donald Albury 16:08, 27 April 2019 (UTC)
Meade [reluctantly] deferred to Grant's judgment and sent [Sheridan] on a raid toward Richmond, directly challenging the Confederate cavalry.
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Reviewer: Hog Farm ( talk · contribs) 00:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
I'll review this over the weekend. I'm moderately familiar with Meade and own print copies of a few of the sources, so I figured I'd go ahead and review this. Hog Farm Talk 00:50, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
For starters:
I'm sorry, but I'm going to have to quick-fail this one. With uncited text, unreliable sources, and spots where not all of the content is supported by the sources, these needs a fair bit of work before it's close to GA status. If you disagree with my decision to quick-fail, you can ask for a second hearing at WT:GAN. Hog Farm Talk 03:03, 24 February 2023 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Hog Farm ( talk · contribs) 14:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
I'll review this again but it'll be slow going. Hog Farm Talk 14:38, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
Waiting til the end of the review to go through the lead, and will start with the beginning of the body
I'm going to take this section-by-section due to the amount of time it will take to verify the sources in each section. Hog Farm Talk 22:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
I'm sorry, but I still don't think the sourcing is at a GA-level; I've found too many unsupported passage/omissions/errors here to be comfortable with the sourcing. I don't think the GA reviewer should have to line-by-line the article's citations like this. Going to go ahead and fail it here; I don't have time to continue to line-by-line for the rest of the review, and I don't feel comfortable not digging in that deep. Hog Farm Talk 23:05, 26 April 2023 (UTC)