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I think "George Franklin Barber (1854-1915) was one of the most popular and successful architects of the late Victorian period in America." fails our NPOV rules. Is there any evidence to back this up? Also, this appears to be a text dump, please cite some sources. - Mgm| (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
(moved from Wikipedia:Village Pump / Policy: I suspect this to be a copyvio, but I can't find anything online. Are there any architect enthusiasts who can check their books? - Mgm| (talk) 10:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
None of this appears to be directly copied from any book I have, but... As to the "most popular and successful" statement, George F. Barber was certainly prolific -- though I haven't seen a comprehensive list (and I doubt such a thing exists), Cornell University's Director of the Graduate Program in Historic Preservation Planning, Michael Tomlan, has stated that Barber's houses are located in all 50 states and several foreign countries. Examples have been located as far away as Japan and the Philippines. So if "prolific" translates to "popular and successful," I think this is unquestionable. In a recent book published by University of Tennessee Press (which I can't now remember the name of, since I haven't yet gotten a copy), Claudette Stager of the Tennessee Historical Commission describes Barber as the most famous architect in Tennessee at the turn of the century (or something of that sort -- I'm paraphrasing from memory). Archarin 03:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC). Since the NPOV dispute is still listed on the page despite the apparently disputed text being excised, I've added some of it back, in what can hopefully be considered a less objectionable form. I suppose some citations would help. Archarin 04:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm unclear about how the NPOV note ever gets removed, so I've done it. If this triggers some bot to flag the article for review, I think that's all for the best. Basically, my take on this is that the NPOV dispute was initiated two years ago over the specific wording of one statement, which has long since been rewritten. If there is another basis for continuing the NPOV, I don't see it. Archarin ( talk) 00:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, on closer inspection, there is a piece near the end talking about Shaw and Queen Anne Style that seems really familiar. I'll check on it later. Archarin 05:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
It's currently claimed in the article that there exist four dozen George F. Barber works individually listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places. By my count here, in current version of George F. Barber temporary list-article, that is not so. I searched the March 2009 version of NRIS for all hits on Barber and edited that list, coming up with 37 possible individual listings, not 48. The original count was apparently based on search of NRIS copy at private, commercial website http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com which recently updated to a more recent-than-March 2009 NRIS version, but I don't know of many new NRHP additions of Barber works, so I think the original count is not strictly correct, could be changes to "several dozen" perhaps.
By the way, the George F. Barber article is duplicative and is in process of being merged to List of George Franklin Barber works; discussion at Talk:List of George Franklin Barber works#merger in progress, questions. -- do ncr am 17:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I found this in a Google Books search. It's a 1907 issue of the Daily Bulletin of the Manufacturers Record, which states (2nd column, 3rd paragraph): "Knoxville, Tenn. - Bank Building-- I.A. Galyon has contract to erect three-story building, costing $75,000, for the Mechanics' National Bank after plans by Barber, Kluttz & Graf." I suspect this is the Mechanics' Bank and Trust Company Building, which was originally three stories, and was built in 1907 (the company was originally Mechanics National Bank). The National Register nomination form for this building lists the architect as "Unknown," and doesn't discuss the architect or builder, though it was filled out in the early 80's when they didn't put much effort into these forms.
If this firm did design this building, there is also the possibility that the "Graf" partner, which I suspect is
R. F. Graf (who designed two other buildings on Gay Street in the 1920s), had more to do with the design than Barber. This is the only instance I have seen of Graf working with Barber's firm, so it may have been some sort of temporary partnership. I'll fish around more and see what else I can find.
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I think "George Franklin Barber (1854-1915) was one of the most popular and successful architects of the late Victorian period in America." fails our NPOV rules. Is there any evidence to back this up? Also, this appears to be a text dump, please cite some sources. - Mgm| (talk) 21:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
(moved from Wikipedia:Village Pump / Policy: I suspect this to be a copyvio, but I can't find anything online. Are there any architect enthusiasts who can check their books? - Mgm| (talk) 10:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
None of this appears to be directly copied from any book I have, but... As to the "most popular and successful" statement, George F. Barber was certainly prolific -- though I haven't seen a comprehensive list (and I doubt such a thing exists), Cornell University's Director of the Graduate Program in Historic Preservation Planning, Michael Tomlan, has stated that Barber's houses are located in all 50 states and several foreign countries. Examples have been located as far away as Japan and the Philippines. So if "prolific" translates to "popular and successful," I think this is unquestionable. In a recent book published by University of Tennessee Press (which I can't now remember the name of, since I haven't yet gotten a copy), Claudette Stager of the Tennessee Historical Commission describes Barber as the most famous architect in Tennessee at the turn of the century (or something of that sort -- I'm paraphrasing from memory). Archarin 03:58, 12 October 2006 (UTC). Since the NPOV dispute is still listed on the page despite the apparently disputed text being excised, I've added some of it back, in what can hopefully be considered a less objectionable form. I suppose some citations would help. Archarin 04:21, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
I'm unclear about how the NPOV note ever gets removed, so I've done it. If this triggers some bot to flag the article for review, I think that's all for the best. Basically, my take on this is that the NPOV dispute was initiated two years ago over the specific wording of one statement, which has long since been rewritten. If there is another basis for continuing the NPOV, I don't see it. Archarin ( talk) 00:13, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
Actually, on closer inspection, there is a piece near the end talking about Shaw and Queen Anne Style that seems really familiar. I'll check on it later. Archarin 05:07, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
It's currently claimed in the article that there exist four dozen George F. Barber works individually listed on the U.S. National Register of Historic Places. By my count here, in current version of George F. Barber temporary list-article, that is not so. I searched the March 2009 version of NRIS for all hits on Barber and edited that list, coming up with 37 possible individual listings, not 48. The original count was apparently based on search of NRIS copy at private, commercial website http://www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com which recently updated to a more recent-than-March 2009 NRIS version, but I don't know of many new NRHP additions of Barber works, so I think the original count is not strictly correct, could be changes to "several dozen" perhaps.
By the way, the George F. Barber article is duplicative and is in process of being merged to List of George Franklin Barber works; discussion at Talk:List of George Franklin Barber works#merger in progress, questions. -- do ncr am 17:46, 15 May 2011 (UTC)
I found this in a Google Books search. It's a 1907 issue of the Daily Bulletin of the Manufacturers Record, which states (2nd column, 3rd paragraph): "Knoxville, Tenn. - Bank Building-- I.A. Galyon has contract to erect three-story building, costing $75,000, for the Mechanics' National Bank after plans by Barber, Kluttz & Graf." I suspect this is the Mechanics' Bank and Trust Company Building, which was originally three stories, and was built in 1907 (the company was originally Mechanics National Bank). The National Register nomination form for this building lists the architect as "Unknown," and doesn't discuss the architect or builder, though it was filled out in the early 80's when they didn't put much effort into these forms.
If this firm did design this building, there is also the possibility that the "Graf" partner, which I suspect is
R. F. Graf (who designed two other buildings on Gay Street in the 1920s), had more to do with the design than Barber. This is the only instance I have seen of Graf working with Barber's firm, so it may have been some sort of temporary partnership. I'll fish around more and see what else I can find.
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