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Frequently asked questions Q1: Does it have to say "white" police officer?
A1: Yes, because almost all reliable sources emphasize the significance of this fact. Q2: I read some information on the web that isn't in this article!
A2: When proposing anything to be added to the article you need to cite a
reliable source;
secondary sources are generally preferred over
primary. Q3: This article is biased (for/against), or (whitewashes/blames), (Floyd/police)!
A3: See our
neutral point of view policy. Complaints of bias must be accompanied by specific concerns or suggestions for change. Vague, general statements don't help. Q4: Why is this article calling it a murder instead of a death/killing?
A4: As a person was formally convicted for murder in a court of law, the article uses the term "murder", in line with the community guidance at
WP:MURDERS. Q5: Wasn't Floyd killed near a store called Cub Foods, not Cup Foods?
A5: The store is Cup Foods, and is not affiliated with the
Cub Foods store chain. Q6: Why does the article use such a graphic photo? Isn't it in poor taste?
A6: The lead image was determined by the community in a
formal Request for Comment process. The RfC reached an "overwhelming consensus" that "...the image, despite it being traumatizing, should be kept per WP:NOTCENSORED, as it is an appropriate representation of the topic." Q7: Why was my request or comment removed?
A7: Because of the frequency of meritless and disruptive requests, any further requests to describe Floyd's murder using other terms (e.g. "death", "overdose") or to change the name of the article accordingly will be removed without consideration, unless the request complies with all relevant Wikipedia guidelines and essays, including
WP:Requested moves,
WP:Common name,
WP:Article titles,
WP:Naming conventions (violence and deaths), and
WP:Reliable sources. Anyone removing such requests should include a link to this FAQ in their edit summary. Q8: Why do we not call the protests riots?
A8: Because most reliable sources call them protests, not riots. Q9: Did he not die of a drug overdose?
A9: No, whilst fentanyl was a contributory factor, his death certificate lists his cause of death as "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression". |
I’m sorry, but you are incorrect in that assumption. When a medical examiner identifies a manner of death as “homicide”, they are not drawing a legal conclusion. Regardless of personal beliefs or emotions surrounding an event, a person is still “alleged” (innocent) to have committed a criminal act until they are proven guilty in a court of law - this is the very foundation of the justice system. Consider the most heinous crimes you’ve ever read about - were the accused not referred to as the “alleged” until proven guilty? ObjectivityistheKey ( talk) 02:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Perfect edit. Thank you for compromising. ObjectivityistheKey ( talk) 14:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
"Decenter yourself and come to listen, learn, mourn, and witness. Remember you are here to support, not to be supported. Seek to contribute to the energy of the space, rather than drain it," reads another bullet point. "Bring your own processing to other white folks so that you will not harm BIPOC Black and Indigenous people of color."The instructions for white people also encourages visitors to "be mindful" of whether their "volume, pace, and movements are supporting or undermining" efforts to "decenter" themselves and urges them to not take pictures of people without their consent. [1] Reaper7 ( talk) 01:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Minneemeeples: More then just Newsweek and New York post reported on this subject. Washington Examiner, Fox News, and The Sun just for a short list, also reported on this. All of these are reliable news sources. How quickly coverage of something ends, does not change the reports of credible sources. I will say that if it is added, it should be included only in the section of media coverage FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 23:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Minneemeeples: Fox actually had an article about it. Not just a tweet. You can not what news organizations are “partisan.” Bringing up the Holocaust is a bad example. And the context of who and why it was left there in order to for a news organization to report on it is not required. The reports were in articles not tabloid style manner. Please understand that What your describing is your POV. POV is not how people contribute to WP. It’s supposed to be neutral. If a reliable source , as such reports on it, it can be included FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 21:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Firefangledfeathers: I will retract my statement. But I would like to note, I believe you misinterpreted about Fox News. In the RSP you quoted , Fox News is considered a reliable source , as long as it’s not their political or talk show. Thank you for helping point me in the right direction FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 23:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I propose that
38th and Chicago be merged into this article. The intersection of 38th Street and Chicago Avenue is not independently notable, as it would not have received significant coverage for reasons other than the murder of George Floyd. See
WP:NGEO, which states: Geographical features must be notable on their own merits. They cannot inherit the notability of organizations, people, or events.
Edge3 (
talk) 19:22, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Talk:George Floyd protests/Archive 2#RfC on Status of George Floyd protests regarding the current status of the George Floyd protests. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks, Anon0098 ( talk) 02:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
This wiki page seems to be contributed to by mainly one single person who has bias on the matter. While contribution is great, and the user should be commended for the hard work he has put into it, bias must be stamped out and an impartial/neutral tone must be taken as per Wikipedia’s own guidelines. Using the race of Derek Chauvin unnecessarily in this article gives it a bias tone and undermines the hard work that has been put into an important page.
Let’s discuss. From what I have seen based on the edit history, there is many contributors who have also spotted this impartiality, and it is always reverted by the same individual. Corona1112 ( talk) 15:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
You cannot use impartiality on another article as an excuse to bring impartiality onto this one. Please read WP:NEUTRAL with great care, and then tell me why you believe that keeping this word is not in violation of Wikipedia’s neutral policy. Corona1112 ( talk) 16:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Please stop reverting the edit and discuss this here, and show where consensus was reached on the matter, and how it does not violate the neutral point of view policy Corona1112 ( talk) 23:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Coron1112: @ Minneemeeples: @ Firefangledfeathers: Impartiality would be consistent with the addition of “white” to describe the police officer. WP requires us to be neutral. Even in the list of demands, it expresses demans “ Black Indigenous and People Of Color”. Therefore it would be neutral for an addition to represent more accurately why this demand was made. They were not making demands because of their own race. FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 23:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
https://www.fox9.com/news/2-injured-in-shooting-near-george-floyd-square-mpd-says https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2022/03/19/police-2-shot-near-george-floyd-square-saturday-evening/ Persesus ( talk) 05:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Can we use the end date please ? Persesus ( talk) 05:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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Frequently asked questions Q1: Does it have to say "white" police officer?
A1: Yes, because almost all reliable sources emphasize the significance of this fact. Q2: I read some information on the web that isn't in this article!
A2: When proposing anything to be added to the article you need to cite a
reliable source;
secondary sources are generally preferred over
primary. Q3: This article is biased (for/against), or (whitewashes/blames), (Floyd/police)!
A3: See our
neutral point of view policy. Complaints of bias must be accompanied by specific concerns or suggestions for change. Vague, general statements don't help. Q4: Why is this article calling it a murder instead of a death/killing?
A4: As a person was formally convicted for murder in a court of law, the article uses the term "murder", in line with the community guidance at
WP:MURDERS. Q5: Wasn't Floyd killed near a store called Cub Foods, not Cup Foods?
A5: The store is Cup Foods, and is not affiliated with the
Cub Foods store chain. Q6: Why does the article use such a graphic photo? Isn't it in poor taste?
A6: The lead image was determined by the community in a
formal Request for Comment process. The RfC reached an "overwhelming consensus" that "...the image, despite it being traumatizing, should be kept per WP:NOTCENSORED, as it is an appropriate representation of the topic." Q7: Why was my request or comment removed?
A7: Because of the frequency of meritless and disruptive requests, any further requests to describe Floyd's murder using other terms (e.g. "death", "overdose") or to change the name of the article accordingly will be removed without consideration, unless the request complies with all relevant Wikipedia guidelines and essays, including
WP:Requested moves,
WP:Common name,
WP:Article titles,
WP:Naming conventions (violence and deaths), and
WP:Reliable sources. Anyone removing such requests should include a link to this FAQ in their edit summary. Q8: Why do we not call the protests riots?
A8: Because most reliable sources call them protests, not riots. Q9: Did he not die of a drug overdose?
A9: No, whilst fentanyl was a contributory factor, his death certificate lists his cause of death as "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression". |
I’m sorry, but you are incorrect in that assumption. When a medical examiner identifies a manner of death as “homicide”, they are not drawing a legal conclusion. Regardless of personal beliefs or emotions surrounding an event, a person is still “alleged” (innocent) to have committed a criminal act until they are proven guilty in a court of law - this is the very foundation of the justice system. Consider the most heinous crimes you’ve ever read about - were the accused not referred to as the “alleged” until proven guilty? ObjectivityistheKey ( talk) 02:07, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
Perfect edit. Thank you for compromising. ObjectivityistheKey ( talk) 14:14, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
"Decenter yourself and come to listen, learn, mourn, and witness. Remember you are here to support, not to be supported. Seek to contribute to the energy of the space, rather than drain it," reads another bullet point. "Bring your own processing to other white folks so that you will not harm BIPOC Black and Indigenous people of color."The instructions for white people also encourages visitors to "be mindful" of whether their "volume, pace, and movements are supporting or undermining" efforts to "decenter" themselves and urges them to not take pictures of people without their consent. [1] Reaper7 ( talk) 01:21, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
@ Minneemeeples: More then just Newsweek and New York post reported on this subject. Washington Examiner, Fox News, and The Sun just for a short list, also reported on this. All of these are reliable news sources. How quickly coverage of something ends, does not change the reports of credible sources. I will say that if it is added, it should be included only in the section of media coverage FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 23:24, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Minneemeeples: Fox actually had an article about it. Not just a tweet. You can not what news organizations are “partisan.” Bringing up the Holocaust is a bad example. And the context of who and why it was left there in order to for a news organization to report on it is not required. The reports were in articles not tabloid style manner. Please understand that What your describing is your POV. POV is not how people contribute to WP. It’s supposed to be neutral. If a reliable source , as such reports on it, it can be included FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 21:20, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Firefangledfeathers: I will retract my statement. But I would like to note, I believe you misinterpreted about Fox News. In the RSP you quoted , Fox News is considered a reliable source , as long as it’s not their political or talk show. Thank you for helping point me in the right direction FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 23:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I propose that
38th and Chicago be merged into this article. The intersection of 38th Street and Chicago Avenue is not independently notable, as it would not have received significant coverage for reasons other than the murder of George Floyd. See
WP:NGEO, which states: Geographical features must be notable on their own merits. They cannot inherit the notability of organizations, people, or events.
Edge3 (
talk) 19:22, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
I have started a discussion at Talk:George Floyd protests/Archive 2#RfC on Status of George Floyd protests regarding the current status of the George Floyd protests. Your comments are appreciated. Thanks, Anon0098 ( talk) 02:14, 17 May 2021 (UTC)
This wiki page seems to be contributed to by mainly one single person who has bias on the matter. While contribution is great, and the user should be commended for the hard work he has put into it, bias must be stamped out and an impartial/neutral tone must be taken as per Wikipedia’s own guidelines. Using the race of Derek Chauvin unnecessarily in this article gives it a bias tone and undermines the hard work that has been put into an important page.
Let’s discuss. From what I have seen based on the edit history, there is many contributors who have also spotted this impartiality, and it is always reverted by the same individual. Corona1112 ( talk) 15:01, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
You cannot use impartiality on another article as an excuse to bring impartiality onto this one. Please read WP:NEUTRAL with great care, and then tell me why you believe that keeping this word is not in violation of Wikipedia’s neutral policy. Corona1112 ( talk) 16:55, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
Please stop reverting the edit and discuss this here, and show where consensus was reached on the matter, and how it does not violate the neutral point of view policy Corona1112 ( talk) 23:18, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
@ Coron1112: @ Minneemeeples: @ Firefangledfeathers: Impartiality would be consistent with the addition of “white” to describe the police officer. WP requires us to be neutral. Even in the list of demands, it expresses demans “ Black Indigenous and People Of Color”. Therefore it would be neutral for an addition to represent more accurately why this demand was made. They were not making demands because of their own race. FactsNotNarratives ( talk) 23:06, 8 June 2021 (UTC)
https://www.fox9.com/news/2-injured-in-shooting-near-george-floyd-square-mpd-says https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2022/03/19/police-2-shot-near-george-floyd-square-saturday-evening/ Persesus ( talk) 05:43, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Can we use the end date please ? Persesus ( talk) 05:44, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
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