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I have included 2 citations to the George Georgatos article, as one (Indymedia) is the original apparently, while the other (Treaty Republic) has a better photo and caption and a newspaper clipping with the family referred to. I have included all of George Assang's father's names in order to show the variant Chinese english transliterations and anglizations. In other other words Au Sang (or Ah Sang) is probably a Cantonese name, with Sun Tai Lee/Sun Tye Lee representing the pronunciation of the Chinese characters in the Mandarin dialect/language. Brunswicknic ( talk) 10:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I can appreciate that you may dislike Indymedia's politics, but a factual, researched article seems just that. Nevertheless if you don't accept Indymedia what about Eureka Street, Biography.com, NDTV, CNN, Crikey.com.au, media-scholars.integrityshop.org ... www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=24468, www.biography.com/people/julian-assange-20688499, www.ndtv.com/article/.../assange-s-stepfather-on-his-childhood-71622, Julian Assange Step-father Interview. Mike Duffy CNN: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewwa-ySmUnI, www.crikey.com.au/.../rundle-on-the-assange-bio-not-a-manuscript-that-anyone-would-intend-to-publish/, http://media-scholars.integrityshop.org/Julian_Assange/item. As for the relevance, he uses his step-father's name, and therefore the name of his step-grandfather, etc. In the article disputed by you, but also in some of the other sources he refers to Brett Assange by the term "father". That seems to indicate that he felt the relationship has some degree of relevance to Julian Assange. George's son Brett has been publicly interviewed about Julian (CNN), wikipedia is full of "so-and-so had a child who had a child who is famous". It is an encyclopaedia and the fact that a famous person has strong connections to the Torres Strait Islander and Australian-Chinese communities, and to a relatively noteworthy media (singing and TV) person is noteworthy is it not? Or is this yet another case of "if it is not a US fictional TV programme, what relevance to Wikipedia is it"? Brunswicknic ( talk) 12:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
In the Indymedia article referred to above, it refers to a New Yorker interview with Julian Assange, this seems be the one here: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/06/07/no-secrets where Ah Sang is referred to. George Georgatos then refers to Australian Electoral Records and Ancestry.com. He refers to both Julian and Brett Assange discussing their grandparent/parent respectively George Assang, and their great-grandparent/grandparent George Ah Sang, in other sources, see above. Again Julian Assange refers to George Assange and George Ah Sang as ancestors in this material. As for indymedia, you quote a quote from its homepage reproduced in the Wikipedia article on Indymedia, here is the first paragraph of that Wikipedia article: "The Independent Media Center (also known as Indymedia or IMC) is a global participatory network of journalists that report on political and social issues. It originated during the Seattle anti-WTO protests worldwide in 1999 and remains closely associated with the global justice movement, which criticizes neo-liberalism and its associated institutions. Indymedia uses an open publishing and democratic media process that allows anybody to contribute". Sounds like a wiki organisation to me, and no where does this Wikipedia article say that that it's journalism is completely unreliable. I see lots of references to media organisations in Wikipedia articles, is it official Wikipedia policy saying this one is different? More importantly, I note that the George Georgatos article has not publicly criticised as being in error by it's subject or anyone else. So to conclude: Julian Assange (who is noteworthy enough to have a wikipedia article on him) is the stepson of Brett Assange, uses his surname and refers to him as father. Brett Assange is the son of George Assang, who has a wikipedia article about him. An article discussing George Assang's father has been published using Australian Electoral Records and genealogical material from Ancestry.com, as well as quoting Julian Assange interviews in the New Yorker and Lonely Planet.com. It has not been criticised as false in the 2 1/2 years it has been public, by Julian Assange, Brett Assange or anyone else. I think this is all strong enough for wikipedia. There are many Wikipedia articles naming the children, grand-children and son on of a person in the article. This is common practice for Wikipedia. I do think it is noteworthy that George Assang, the singer and actor of Torres Strait Islander and Chinese descent had a grandson who is famous worldwide. I am reverting your revert Brunswicknic ( talk) 13:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
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I have included 2 citations to the George Georgatos article, as one (Indymedia) is the original apparently, while the other (Treaty Republic) has a better photo and caption and a newspaper clipping with the family referred to. I have included all of George Assang's father's names in order to show the variant Chinese english transliterations and anglizations. In other other words Au Sang (or Ah Sang) is probably a Cantonese name, with Sun Tai Lee/Sun Tye Lee representing the pronunciation of the Chinese characters in the Mandarin dialect/language. Brunswicknic ( talk) 10:51, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I can appreciate that you may dislike Indymedia's politics, but a factual, researched article seems just that. Nevertheless if you don't accept Indymedia what about Eureka Street, Biography.com, NDTV, CNN, Crikey.com.au, media-scholars.integrityshop.org ... www.eurekastreet.com.au/article.aspx?aeid=24468, www.biography.com/people/julian-assange-20688499, www.ndtv.com/article/.../assange-s-stepfather-on-his-childhood-71622, Julian Assange Step-father Interview. Mike Duffy CNN: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewwa-ySmUnI, www.crikey.com.au/.../rundle-on-the-assange-bio-not-a-manuscript-that-anyone-would-intend-to-publish/, http://media-scholars.integrityshop.org/Julian_Assange/item. As for the relevance, he uses his step-father's name, and therefore the name of his step-grandfather, etc. In the article disputed by you, but also in some of the other sources he refers to Brett Assange by the term "father". That seems to indicate that he felt the relationship has some degree of relevance to Julian Assange. George's son Brett has been publicly interviewed about Julian (CNN), wikipedia is full of "so-and-so had a child who had a child who is famous". It is an encyclopaedia and the fact that a famous person has strong connections to the Torres Strait Islander and Australian-Chinese communities, and to a relatively noteworthy media (singing and TV) person is noteworthy is it not? Or is this yet another case of "if it is not a US fictional TV programme, what relevance to Wikipedia is it"? Brunswicknic ( talk) 12:18, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
In the Indymedia article referred to above, it refers to a New Yorker interview with Julian Assange, this seems be the one here: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2010/06/07/no-secrets where Ah Sang is referred to. George Georgatos then refers to Australian Electoral Records and Ancestry.com. He refers to both Julian and Brett Assange discussing their grandparent/parent respectively George Assang, and their great-grandparent/grandparent George Ah Sang, in other sources, see above. Again Julian Assange refers to George Assange and George Ah Sang as ancestors in this material. As for indymedia, you quote a quote from its homepage reproduced in the Wikipedia article on Indymedia, here is the first paragraph of that Wikipedia article: "The Independent Media Center (also known as Indymedia or IMC) is a global participatory network of journalists that report on political and social issues. It originated during the Seattle anti-WTO protests worldwide in 1999 and remains closely associated with the global justice movement, which criticizes neo-liberalism and its associated institutions. Indymedia uses an open publishing and democratic media process that allows anybody to contribute". Sounds like a wiki organisation to me, and no where does this Wikipedia article say that that it's journalism is completely unreliable. I see lots of references to media organisations in Wikipedia articles, is it official Wikipedia policy saying this one is different? More importantly, I note that the George Georgatos article has not publicly criticised as being in error by it's subject or anyone else. So to conclude: Julian Assange (who is noteworthy enough to have a wikipedia article on him) is the stepson of Brett Assange, uses his surname and refers to him as father. Brett Assange is the son of George Assang, who has a wikipedia article about him. An article discussing George Assang's father has been published using Australian Electoral Records and genealogical material from Ancestry.com, as well as quoting Julian Assange interviews in the New Yorker and Lonely Planet.com. It has not been criticised as false in the 2 1/2 years it has been public, by Julian Assange, Brett Assange or anyone else. I think this is all strong enough for wikipedia. There are many Wikipedia articles naming the children, grand-children and son on of a person in the article. This is common practice for Wikipedia. I do think it is noteworthy that George Assang, the singer and actor of Torres Strait Islander and Chinese descent had a grandson who is famous worldwide. I am reverting your revert Brunswicknic ( talk) 13:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)