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I took this from the Thomas/Berghof edition of A voyage round the world. Although I fully trust these authors: can somebody check the quote in Enzensberger's book? My university library doesn't have it. Kusma (討論) 22:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
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Any volunteers? Kusma (討論) 21:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
i was rading the article on georg(E!?!?!) Forster and i was entrigued, and found myself facinated in what was written about this magnificent man - i especially likes this bitof the text
he was on a assignment to travel in Russia on a research journey and investigate the situation of a German colony.
facinating
also this bit
Georg Forster joined his father in the expedition again and was appointed as a draughtsman to his father
facinating
also this bit
He described various social structures and religions that he encountered on the Society Islands,
facenating
also this bit
The journey was rich in scientific results. However, the relations between the Forsters and Captain Cook and his officers were often problematic
facenating
this is truly a remarcable man - i love you geog(E?!?!?) forster
Whay did someone change back to the statement that his father was a Lutheran pastor. He was not, he was a Calvinist pastor of Scottish roots in the Reformed Church in Mokry Dwor. There was no Lutheran church there but only a Reformed one.
Kazimierz
Why don't you try Paul Arndt, Geschichte... (History of the Reformed Church in Gdansk) as well as Aleksander Klemp, Portestanci w Dobrach prywatnych na pomorzu -that one is Polish. His father is listed as a pastor in Mokry Dwor which was one of four Calvinist churches in the north of Poland (2 in Gdansk, one in Mokry Dwor and one in Krokowa), the rest were Lutheran, perhaps hence the confusion. The fact that they went to Halle, which was a Calvinist bastion, underlines that point too. I wish I had the book with me, so I could provide you with a page number. Kazimierz
Calvinism is the mainstream of Reformed Protestantism. In fact they tend to by synonimous. Kazimierz
This diff spans more than 350 edits: mostly noise, unfortunately. Kusma (討論) 06:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Is he should be on "Biology, medicine and psychology" isn't it better to put him on "History", or something like that? 85.250.205.175 18:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Check section: A founder of modern travel literature Last sentence there seems like mistake or joke... "He also wrote a novel on his aventures in outer space. He orbitted earth for a then record of four days in his little cart-sized spaceship."
I'm new to commenting/editing on Wikipedia, so I hope this was the right way and right place to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.11.85.219 ( talk) 00:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I've come across several references to this Forster in English-language literature referring to him as George Forster (i.e. using the English spelling George rather than the German spelling of Georg). I found the following reference that may explain this: First Taxonomic Assessment of George Forster's Botanical Artwork at Gotha (Thuringia, Germany), Dan H. Nicolson, Taxon Vol. 47, No. 3 (Aug., 1998), pp. 581-592).
That source (from 1998) quotes another source (Hoare) from 1976, who said: "Johann Reinhold [...] chose the English form George for his eldest son". Nicolson also says earlier on that introductory page: "The son was named for a Yorkshire royalist ancestor, George Forster, who was dispossessed by the Cromwellian forces and fled to Prussia around 1642 [...]. Throughout his life J. G. A. Forster was known in the family as George, the form appearing in the parish records...". Also mentioned is the fact that Johann Forster 'resented' any attempt at the umlaut being added to the 'o' in his his surname.
So what I'm wondering is what this 'George' vs 'Georg' business means for this article? At a minimum, I think something on this needs adding to the article. Does the title and name used in the article need changing as well, or not? What do the published biographies have to say about this matter? Carcharoth ( talk) 00:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Listing here some sources and the name used. Lots more can be added.
The Australian Dictionary of Biography gives Johann George Adam Forster under 'Alternative Names', while the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography state that "He was invariably referred to in contemporary English sources as George Forster, a style which has occasionally led to his being confused with the contemporary traveller–writer of the same name, an East India Company servant." The front cover of the 2000 reprint of 'A Voyage Round The World' gives 'George' on the front cover, but it seems many libraries use Georg as the bibliographic name.
There is more at the bottom of this page (from an edited reprint of the father's book 'Observations made during a voyage round the world'): "Properly Johann George Adam Forster. His work in German generally appeared under the name Georg Forster, and this is how he has been referred to by German and most other scholars. He was christened George, but this is less important than the fact that he was speaking and writing almost exclusively in English in the period relevant here, and this makes it seems more appropriate..." Unfortunately the preview ends there, but the gist of the argument is apparent.
As he was fluent in both German and English, and published in both languages under both names, it would seem appropriate for the English-language Wikipedia article to be at 'George' and to refer to him as 'George' and for the German-language Wikipedia article to be at 'Georg' and refer to him as 'Georg' (except, obviously, when reporting titles and names used elsewhere such as in books and so on), or would that not work? Carcharoth ( talk) 14:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I really need to fix this properly. Baptised as "George" (using English forms of names was fairly common near Danzig in their time), wrote in English as "George". However, modern literature (also in English) typically uses "Georg". I think something like the footnote here needs to be added. But moving the article would cause a lot of pain for too little gain. — Kusma ( talk) 16:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
There is a collection of Forster drawings at the Natural History Museum in London, UK. At the moment, the main article mentions ethnographical collection in Gottingen (the Cook-Forster-Sammlung or Cook-Forster Collection), and the collection at the Pitt Rivers Museum in Oxford, but some of the other collections are only mentioned in the external links. The collection at the UK Natural History Museum is indirectly mentioned in the external links as Drawing of a Chinstrap Penguin, but I'm wondering if the material further down that page should be incorporated somewhere in the article? The most obvious bit is: "By the end of Cook's second voyage, George Forster had completed 271 zoological paintings, and 420 botanical paintings." But there is other information from that page that could be added as well (such as the current location of these drawings and early biographical information such as "In 1770, father and son moved to London"). As this is a featured article, I'm posting a note here first before making any changes or additions. Carcharoth ( talk) 22:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
The Kirghiz steppe lies in Central Asia, far away from the lower Volga (a strange error already found in the German Wikipedia). Now replaced by "the Kalmyk steppe", with cross ref to today's Kalmykia, which lies a bit to the south - but in the 18th century the Kalmyk horde still roamed quite close to Saratov guberniya, as can be seen on old maps (for instance, on [1] (in Russian)). Actually, the reference to the steppe here seems superfluous - surely the two Forsters spent their time in the Volga river settlements rather than in the steppe to the East. 83.76.130.1 ( talk) 14:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
This Featured article, promoted in 2006, has not been maintained to FA standards, and has a good deal of uncited text as well as MOS issues. Is anyone able to tune it up to avoid a Featured article review? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@Symposiarch - Please make yourself familiar with maritime traditions before you delete posts here. - When a ship is baptized in the name of a city, a country or a personality not it is simle advertising, even though it may look at the cruise ships for the layman so today. (Ie earns more money) Or are you of the opinion that the largest French shipping ~ is in this segment worldwide in third place ~ a single container carries more when on the bow and stern of the vessel name Georg Forster is ? - G. F. was an outstanding naturalist and world traveler who has traveled with the famous James Cook for years the world's oceans. Fits not it be excellent and it is evident that a well-known shipping company their newest, largest and most modern ship baptizing them in the name of Georg Forster and hence the name "the world bears"? Just to be documented in the GF-Wikipedia contribution and nothing else! - Just as an example, at the Wikipedia entries on the cities Solingen, Dresden, Marburg and Coburg was correctly identified and proceed accordingly. - Why did the post Georg Forster not above also equal to the special postage stamp with away? The stands rather for the word Advertising ~ in the case for the post which has thus probably sold more brands of collectors. -. Buonasera (talk) 16:33, 13 Jul 2015 (CEST)
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This article is mentioned at Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020. Although not very much changed since the FAR, it is still/again in need of a thorough cleaning, especially with respect to the sources used (many are dated and no longer the best we can do). The main sources were Ackerknecht (a ten-page 1955 article on Forster's scientific work, with some biographic information) Reintjes (a 1953 biography in German) and Saine (a 1972 biography in English that is sometimes described as a bit naive), all of them before the publication of most of the volumes of the critical Forster edition (which is still unfinished). Georg's father Reinhold was thoroughly studied by Michael Hoare, who published a biography in 1976 and edited the journals from the voyage with Cook in 1982, all of these in English. A monograph about GF by Jürgen Goldstein was translated into English in 2019, and a "history of the critical reception" was published in 2001. There are several other biographical works in German in the last 25 years, most notably Uhlig's 2004 scholarly biography. TLDR: This article needs to be updated to use more recent scholarship. What I'm trying to do / points to work on are:
I've made a start here (I hope we don't need footnotes on everything: date of birth, place of birth, and name of the subject all seemed to need explanations). While I'm at it, I'm changing the citations to {{ sfnp}}. There's also questions of date format and English variant -- British conventions suit the subject better, but the article has been written in mdy, possibly because I lived in the US when I helped write most of it, or because both Saine and Thomas/Berghof use mdy. Happy to hear any thoughts or suggestions for improvement (or even opinions on whether this needs to go to FAR now). Pinging some users involved in the FAR or who have commented here: @ GermanJoe, @ DrKay, @ SandyGeorgia (and @ Carcharoth, whose concern about the article title I hope to have finally addressed after ten years). — Kusma ( talk) 09:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps we should collect some views on reliability and scope of the sources used? I'll make a start with some comments.
Will collect/comment more as I look through books/articles. (Trying to get high quality, easily accessible, and English-language references for everything; sometimes can't do all at once). — Kusma ( talk) 14:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Some old versions of the article used to say that the Tischbein (main) image could have been by Anton Graff. Maybe people were confusing it with this picture? The von Greyerz family involved here are most likely the descendants of Georg Forster's second daughter, Clara/Claire, who married Gottlieb von Greyerz . — Kusma ( talk) 20:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
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I took this from the Thomas/Berghof edition of A voyage round the world. Although I fully trust these authors: can somebody check the quote in Enzensberger's book? My university library doesn't have it. Kusma (討論) 22:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
The following red links should be turned blue:
Any volunteers? Kusma (討論) 21:57, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
i was rading the article on georg(E!?!?!) Forster and i was entrigued, and found myself facinated in what was written about this magnificent man - i especially likes this bitof the text
he was on a assignment to travel in Russia on a research journey and investigate the situation of a German colony.
facinating
also this bit
Georg Forster joined his father in the expedition again and was appointed as a draughtsman to his father
facinating
also this bit
He described various social structures and religions that he encountered on the Society Islands,
facenating
also this bit
The journey was rich in scientific results. However, the relations between the Forsters and Captain Cook and his officers were often problematic
facenating
this is truly a remarcable man - i love you geog(E?!?!?) forster
Whay did someone change back to the statement that his father was a Lutheran pastor. He was not, he was a Calvinist pastor of Scottish roots in the Reformed Church in Mokry Dwor. There was no Lutheran church there but only a Reformed one.
Kazimierz
Why don't you try Paul Arndt, Geschichte... (History of the Reformed Church in Gdansk) as well as Aleksander Klemp, Portestanci w Dobrach prywatnych na pomorzu -that one is Polish. His father is listed as a pastor in Mokry Dwor which was one of four Calvinist churches in the north of Poland (2 in Gdansk, one in Mokry Dwor and one in Krokowa), the rest were Lutheran, perhaps hence the confusion. The fact that they went to Halle, which was a Calvinist bastion, underlines that point too. I wish I had the book with me, so I could provide you with a page number. Kazimierz
Calvinism is the mainstream of Reformed Protestantism. In fact they tend to by synonimous. Kazimierz
This diff spans more than 350 edits: mostly noise, unfortunately. Kusma (討論) 06:50, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
Is he should be on "Biology, medicine and psychology" isn't it better to put him on "History", or something like that? 85.250.205.175 18:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Check section: A founder of modern travel literature Last sentence there seems like mistake or joke... "He also wrote a novel on his aventures in outer space. He orbitted earth for a then record of four days in his little cart-sized spaceship."
I'm new to commenting/editing on Wikipedia, so I hope this was the right way and right place to do so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.11.85.219 ( talk) 00:25, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I've come across several references to this Forster in English-language literature referring to him as George Forster (i.e. using the English spelling George rather than the German spelling of Georg). I found the following reference that may explain this: First Taxonomic Assessment of George Forster's Botanical Artwork at Gotha (Thuringia, Germany), Dan H. Nicolson, Taxon Vol. 47, No. 3 (Aug., 1998), pp. 581-592).
That source (from 1998) quotes another source (Hoare) from 1976, who said: "Johann Reinhold [...] chose the English form George for his eldest son". Nicolson also says earlier on that introductory page: "The son was named for a Yorkshire royalist ancestor, George Forster, who was dispossessed by the Cromwellian forces and fled to Prussia around 1642 [...]. Throughout his life J. G. A. Forster was known in the family as George, the form appearing in the parish records...". Also mentioned is the fact that Johann Forster 'resented' any attempt at the umlaut being added to the 'o' in his his surname.
So what I'm wondering is what this 'George' vs 'Georg' business means for this article? At a minimum, I think something on this needs adding to the article. Does the title and name used in the article need changing as well, or not? What do the published biographies have to say about this matter? Carcharoth ( talk) 00:50, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
Listing here some sources and the name used. Lots more can be added.
The Australian Dictionary of Biography gives Johann George Adam Forster under 'Alternative Names', while the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography state that "He was invariably referred to in contemporary English sources as George Forster, a style which has occasionally led to his being confused with the contemporary traveller–writer of the same name, an East India Company servant." The front cover of the 2000 reprint of 'A Voyage Round The World' gives 'George' on the front cover, but it seems many libraries use Georg as the bibliographic name.
There is more at the bottom of this page (from an edited reprint of the father's book 'Observations made during a voyage round the world'): "Properly Johann George Adam Forster. His work in German generally appeared under the name Georg Forster, and this is how he has been referred to by German and most other scholars. He was christened George, but this is less important than the fact that he was speaking and writing almost exclusively in English in the period relevant here, and this makes it seems more appropriate..." Unfortunately the preview ends there, but the gist of the argument is apparent.
As he was fluent in both German and English, and published in both languages under both names, it would seem appropriate for the English-language Wikipedia article to be at 'George' and to refer to him as 'George' and for the German-language Wikipedia article to be at 'Georg' and refer to him as 'Georg' (except, obviously, when reporting titles and names used elsewhere such as in books and so on), or would that not work? Carcharoth ( talk) 14:15, 3 September 2011 (UTC)
I really need to fix this properly. Baptised as "George" (using English forms of names was fairly common near Danzig in their time), wrote in English as "George". However, modern literature (also in English) typically uses "Georg". I think something like the footnote here needs to be added. But moving the article would cause a lot of pain for too little gain. — Kusma ( talk) 16:15, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
There is a collection of Forster drawings at the Natural History Museum in London, UK. At the moment, the main article mentions ethnographical collection in Gottingen (the Cook-Forster-Sammlung or Cook-Forster Collection), and the collection at the Pitt Rivers Museum in Oxford, but some of the other collections are only mentioned in the external links. The collection at the UK Natural History Museum is indirectly mentioned in the external links as Drawing of a Chinstrap Penguin, but I'm wondering if the material further down that page should be incorporated somewhere in the article? The most obvious bit is: "By the end of Cook's second voyage, George Forster had completed 271 zoological paintings, and 420 botanical paintings." But there is other information from that page that could be added as well (such as the current location of these drawings and early biographical information such as "In 1770, father and son moved to London"). As this is a featured article, I'm posting a note here first before making any changes or additions. Carcharoth ( talk) 22:56, 2 September 2011 (UTC)
The Kirghiz steppe lies in Central Asia, far away from the lower Volga (a strange error already found in the German Wikipedia). Now replaced by "the Kalmyk steppe", with cross ref to today's Kalmykia, which lies a bit to the south - but in the 18th century the Kalmyk horde still roamed quite close to Saratov guberniya, as can be seen on old maps (for instance, on [1] (in Russian)). Actually, the reference to the steppe here seems superfluous - surely the two Forsters spent their time in the Volga river settlements rather than in the steppe to the East. 83.76.130.1 ( talk) 14:23, 19 December 2012 (UTC)
This Featured article, promoted in 2006, has not been maintained to FA standards, and has a good deal of uncited text as well as MOS issues. Is anyone able to tune it up to avoid a Featured article review? SandyGeorgia ( Talk) 00:27, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
@Symposiarch - Please make yourself familiar with maritime traditions before you delete posts here. - When a ship is baptized in the name of a city, a country or a personality not it is simle advertising, even though it may look at the cruise ships for the layman so today. (Ie earns more money) Or are you of the opinion that the largest French shipping ~ is in this segment worldwide in third place ~ a single container carries more when on the bow and stern of the vessel name Georg Forster is ? - G. F. was an outstanding naturalist and world traveler who has traveled with the famous James Cook for years the world's oceans. Fits not it be excellent and it is evident that a well-known shipping company their newest, largest and most modern ship baptizing them in the name of Georg Forster and hence the name "the world bears"? Just to be documented in the GF-Wikipedia contribution and nothing else! - Just as an example, at the Wikipedia entries on the cities Solingen, Dresden, Marburg and Coburg was correctly identified and proceed accordingly. - Why did the post Georg Forster not above also equal to the special postage stamp with away? The stands rather for the word Advertising ~ in the case for the post which has thus probably sold more brands of collectors. -. Buonasera (talk) 16:33, 13 Jul 2015 (CEST)
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This article is mentioned at Wikipedia:Unreviewed featured articles/2020. Although not very much changed since the FAR, it is still/again in need of a thorough cleaning, especially with respect to the sources used (many are dated and no longer the best we can do). The main sources were Ackerknecht (a ten-page 1955 article on Forster's scientific work, with some biographic information) Reintjes (a 1953 biography in German) and Saine (a 1972 biography in English that is sometimes described as a bit naive), all of them before the publication of most of the volumes of the critical Forster edition (which is still unfinished). Georg's father Reinhold was thoroughly studied by Michael Hoare, who published a biography in 1976 and edited the journals from the voyage with Cook in 1982, all of these in English. A monograph about GF by Jürgen Goldstein was translated into English in 2019, and a "history of the critical reception" was published in 2001. There are several other biographical works in German in the last 25 years, most notably Uhlig's 2004 scholarly biography. TLDR: This article needs to be updated to use more recent scholarship. What I'm trying to do / points to work on are:
I've made a start here (I hope we don't need footnotes on everything: date of birth, place of birth, and name of the subject all seemed to need explanations). While I'm at it, I'm changing the citations to {{ sfnp}}. There's also questions of date format and English variant -- British conventions suit the subject better, but the article has been written in mdy, possibly because I lived in the US when I helped write most of it, or because both Saine and Thomas/Berghof use mdy. Happy to hear any thoughts or suggestions for improvement (or even opinions on whether this needs to go to FAR now). Pinging some users involved in the FAR or who have commented here: @ GermanJoe, @ DrKay, @ SandyGeorgia (and @ Carcharoth, whose concern about the article title I hope to have finally addressed after ten years). — Kusma ( talk) 09:22, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps we should collect some views on reliability and scope of the sources used? I'll make a start with some comments.
Will collect/comment more as I look through books/articles. (Trying to get high quality, easily accessible, and English-language references for everything; sometimes can't do all at once). — Kusma ( talk) 14:31, 28 July 2021 (UTC)
Some old versions of the article used to say that the Tischbein (main) image could have been by Anton Graff. Maybe people were confusing it with this picture? The von Greyerz family involved here are most likely the descendants of Georg Forster's second daughter, Clara/Claire, who married Gottlieb von Greyerz . — Kusma ( talk) 20:41, 5 September 2021 (UTC)