Newcastle is not Geordie The accent isn't even similar. Go to shields and find out for yourself.
I was born in North Shields and was always told that the (genuine) Geordie accent extended from the north shore of the River Tyne (the Fish Quay and docks)to one mile inland, but I will accept that it may spread rather further than that to the North and West, to include Newcastle....but North Shields is the true Geordie accent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusader963 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The accent comes from the dockyard workers. These are in shields. Particularly given that this is a cheaper area, i.e. somewhere where dockyard workers can afford to live, unlike newcastle.
Note how strong the accent is in shields, particularly towards the north east of the town, an area where it in parts becomes indecipherable. If the accent was from newcastle, then simple liguistic rules imply that the strongest accents should be found there, which is not the case at all, indeed the newcastle accent is significantly refined, and the use of dialectual words is rare, indicating that it is not the seat of the said dialect.
I removed this, as was unclear what the author means: '... both due to their wanting to seem unique and the fact that many of them are supporters of the rival football club Sunderland'
People who fulfil the criteria for being a true Geordie, but support Sunderland FC must be a very small minority, right? AndrewMcQ 21:01, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not necessarily. I'm Tyneside born and bred but have always followed Sunderland as have my whole family for generations. The Geordie = can only be a NUFC fan claim is very recent and provably false.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.43.227.18 ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The correct definition of geordie historically is not someone from Newcastle but someone from the coal mining areas around the city with Geordie being derived from the George Stevenson lamp. True in modern times geordie has took on a new meaning of centering in Newcastle but this is not the correct definition. On SAFC- Most Sunderland fans are geordies. Sunderland is traditionally part of Co.Durham (where the geordies come from) and so more geordie then Newcastle even. 'Mackem' is just a subset of geordie. Football confuses all of these definitions of course with geordie taking on this meaning of being a Newcastle supporter however this is deeply unfair. -- Josquius 18:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I added South Shields to this becasue I have have found, as a native of that lovely towm, that I have often been accuses of sounding 'more Geordie than the Geordies'! I fully acept the comments about those from the North-East of the town though. my grans refers to themn as 'SkYet Enders', can anyone elaborate? I believe this come from the Tyne Pilotage situated at the Habroub Lights, where the hereditary pilots famously could not navigate on dyr land beyond the GPO!
Every one of the descriptions under Vocabulary applies to the accent I grew up speaking, but I grew up in south west Durham while my parents (who undoubtedly influenced my accent) are from Blyth, neither of which are remotely Tyneside, or north Durham pit villages, though both are old mining areas. You could make the argument the accent in both is Pitmatic, but it's not a label I grew up hearing. The Geordie article needs to serve as both a description of Geordie as specifically meant by people in the North East and as the core article about North Eastern accents in general, because that's the name people from outside the area will search for. The discussion under Geographical coverage should really be expanded to link to the Pitmatic and Northumbrian entries so that all of the named North Eastern accents are referenced.
This is complete shit, geordie is most strong in the BIKER area of newcastle people in shields havnt even got half an accent, my girlfriend is from there and all her friends :| they dont come close to geordie.
The Torm Geordie Applies Te Anyone Who Wants Te Belong Te The Geordie Community ... Whether it's cos they once lived in an area weor they were proud te be caal'd Geordies ... or whether they want te belong te that community ... It is not aboot whether yee are a posh Geordie Frem "Biker" or a Docker in Sooth Shields " It's aboot Community Man" adopted Geordies who divent have the accent are still welcum te be caal'd Geordies " Haway the lads"
There isn't an actual border marking the North East: "For many Northerners, Doncaster on the old A1 in South Yorkshire is the southern limit of the North; but for ‘Geordies’ the southern limit is Darlington on the Durham-Yorkshire border near the river Tees, if not actually Durham on the river Wear. For the Scots, however, the South begins at Newcastle on the river Tyne, if not actually at Berwick on the river Tweed" (Katie Wales, 2002: 51). and there is no actual border that decides who is "Geordie" and who is not. The general consensus among dialectologists is that "Geordie" is the regional dialect of the area around the River Tyne, from Newcastle, through Gateshead and Jarrow, to North and South Shields.
You may like to read this article: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-169869519.html
Dr. Michael Pearce's research has revealed South Shields to be a bit of a grey area between the Geordie and Mackem accents, but the people of South Shields, in general, speak Geordie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.66.70 ( talk) 00:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I grew up in Northumberland (not a Geordie then), but I always thought one definition (not the only one I'm sure) of a Geordie was someone born within the sound of the hooter of the Vickers works at Scotswood. Anybody confirm or deny that? 95.147.84.156 ( talk) 20:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I was born and raised in County Durham. I do not speak 'Geordie'. The people of County Durham and Darlington speak in a sufficiently different manner that they be excluded from the generalisation, "Geordie refers to a person originating from Tyneside and the former coal mining areas of northern County Durham". 80.229.14.246 12:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm from Derwentside and people always confuse my accent with geordie. There are a few weird islands in County Durham where people speak 'posh' and in the south of the county its more akin to yorkshire but these days most of it is one. Sure Durham is technically called Pitmatic but hardly anyone has heard of that word, its all said to be geordie. The issue is confused due to football however- Newcastle fans exagerate being geordie whilst Sunderland fans will tend to make up reasons why Durham isn't geordie. I am a sunderland fan but...In the grand scheme yes Durham is another kind of geordie-- Josquius 20:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Jarrow (well it was in Co Durham when I was born!) and can tell some subtle differences between the local accent and those from Newcastle and South Shields. I'd be hard pressed to list them, though, and I wouldn't say they were anywhere near enough to differentiate it as a distinct accent in its own right. Anyway, if the accent (or people) from Jarrow aren't Geordie, I'd be curious to know what they are described as (well, in terms suitable for polite company, at least!)
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Towns in the North of Couty Durham such as Chester-le-Street have a very similar dialect to Newcastle, and share many dialect words that are rarely used in Northumberland (fog=first for example). But drop a few miles South to Durham City and you'll hearing people talking about "raydin' bowks" (reading books) with the transition to a more Yorkshire accent becoming apparent. If I had to draw a border around Geordieland it would probably start at Chester-le Street in the South, extend North to Longbenton and encompass the towns along the Tyne to the coast. Even within this though you've got pockets of very strong dialect (Birtley, Byker, North Shields) so I'm sure others will disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipsey ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I have never heard the expression "farm yacker" before but "pit yacker" is a very common term for the inhabitants of South-East Northumberland especially the former mining communities around Ashington. More recently I've heard the term used (once) to describe someone from the Durham mining communities. Now I've never heard that before and have no back-up on how common that is however there was a large migration from Durham pits to Northumberland pits not long back and you can see this in the similarities in accent (e.g. wesh me clays for wash my clothes) and the number of Sunderland supporters from that area so its possible the name travelled and is equally applicable
As for "farm yacker" even though I haven't heard the impression the two terms give of farms and pits and nothing else has the ring of truth about it.
Feel free to slap me down.
I noticed a contradiction in the article. For example "The accent and pronunciation, like in Lowland Scots, reflect old Anglo-Saxon pronunciations, accents and usages." which is correct but then "Geordie also has a large amount of vocabulary not seen in other English dialects. Words still in common use today include "canny" for "pleasant", "gadgie" for "man", "hyem" for "home", "divn't" for "don't", "bairn" and "grandbairn" for "child" and "grandchild", "tab" for "cigarette" (c.f. tobacco), "hacky" for "dirty", and "gannin" for "going". " The second quoted section is incorrect about these words not being found elsewhere (reason being the first quoted section :) ) so for example Scottish English and Scots, which like Northern English also developed from the Northumbrian variety of Anglo Saxon, have "canny", "hame (for hyem)" "bairn" and "gang (for gannin)". -- Nantonos 19:55, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
What about Jonny Kennedy, the fellow who had dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa? A review I read of "The Boy Whose Skin Fell Off," a documentary shown on Channel 4 in England and the TLC cable network in the USA, says he's a Geordie, which probably explains why he sounded like a Scot to my (untrained) ear. -- MitchS 23:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Sting is from Wallsend, well known fact. He used to live in Station Road, Wallsend near to where the metro station is now in place.-- Geordiejon 11:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Sunderland fans at the old Fulwell End used to chant Mackems/Geordies depending on which area of the N-E you came from from at least the early 1980's.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.43.227.18 ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Why would supporting Sunderland mean you are no longer a Geordie? TI'm a Tyneside lad, but have always supported SAFC. I am not a Mackem, thats a Wearsider. What about NUFC fans who are from Sunderland (they do exist) are they Geordies or Mackems? Personally, football has nothing to do with it for me.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.43.227.18 ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
At the end of the article there is a line mentioning the fair that takes place on the town moor in Newcastle, for a start its name is the 'hoppings' not 'hoppin's' also, and more importantly, this fair, and all other fairs around the country have nothing to do what so ever with gypsies, the term you are looking for is showmen or show people, refering to them as gypsies in their presence will land you in bother, although some show families are of Romany descent, they are most certainly not classed as gypsies and these people tend to get very annoyed (and rightly so) when they are refered to as gypsies. This is all down to the public's perception of people owning a caravan they are automatically gypsies and seen more or less as scum for want of a better word. I suggest this article is altered, maybe the author could do some research into the subject of the English fairground before going ahead and assuming things, this way he/she wont be having bother from people like the showmens guild of Great Britain and the the fairground society of Great Britain etc.
As someone has just added to the page, Geordie is also a 70's rock band for which a (stub) article exists. Is a disambiguation page called for? IainP (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
Newcastle is not Geordie The accent isn't even similar. Go to shields and find out for yourself.
I was born in North Shields and was always told that the (genuine) Geordie accent extended from the north shore of the River Tyne (the Fish Quay and docks)to one mile inland, but I will accept that it may spread rather further than that to the North and West, to include Newcastle....but North Shields is the true Geordie accent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Crusader963 ( talk • contribs) 19:41, 2 May 2009 (UTC)
The accent comes from the dockyard workers. These are in shields. Particularly given that this is a cheaper area, i.e. somewhere where dockyard workers can afford to live, unlike newcastle.
Note how strong the accent is in shields, particularly towards the north east of the town, an area where it in parts becomes indecipherable. If the accent was from newcastle, then simple liguistic rules imply that the strongest accents should be found there, which is not the case at all, indeed the newcastle accent is significantly refined, and the use of dialectual words is rare, indicating that it is not the seat of the said dialect.
I removed this, as was unclear what the author means: '... both due to their wanting to seem unique and the fact that many of them are supporters of the rival football club Sunderland'
People who fulfil the criteria for being a true Geordie, but support Sunderland FC must be a very small minority, right? AndrewMcQ 21:01, 26 Mar 2005 (UTC)
Not necessarily. I'm Tyneside born and bred but have always followed Sunderland as have my whole family for generations. The Geordie = can only be a NUFC fan claim is very recent and provably false.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.43.227.18 ( talk • contribs) 06:28, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
The correct definition of geordie historically is not someone from Newcastle but someone from the coal mining areas around the city with Geordie being derived from the George Stevenson lamp. True in modern times geordie has took on a new meaning of centering in Newcastle but this is not the correct definition. On SAFC- Most Sunderland fans are geordies. Sunderland is traditionally part of Co.Durham (where the geordies come from) and so more geordie then Newcastle even. 'Mackem' is just a subset of geordie. Football confuses all of these definitions of course with geordie taking on this meaning of being a Newcastle supporter however this is deeply unfair. -- Josquius 18:10, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
I added South Shields to this becasue I have have found, as a native of that lovely towm, that I have often been accuses of sounding 'more Geordie than the Geordies'! I fully acept the comments about those from the North-East of the town though. my grans refers to themn as 'SkYet Enders', can anyone elaborate? I believe this come from the Tyne Pilotage situated at the Habroub Lights, where the hereditary pilots famously could not navigate on dyr land beyond the GPO!
Every one of the descriptions under Vocabulary applies to the accent I grew up speaking, but I grew up in south west Durham while my parents (who undoubtedly influenced my accent) are from Blyth, neither of which are remotely Tyneside, or north Durham pit villages, though both are old mining areas. You could make the argument the accent in both is Pitmatic, but it's not a label I grew up hearing. The Geordie article needs to serve as both a description of Geordie as specifically meant by people in the North East and as the core article about North Eastern accents in general, because that's the name people from outside the area will search for. The discussion under Geographical coverage should really be expanded to link to the Pitmatic and Northumbrian entries so that all of the named North Eastern accents are referenced.
This is complete shit, geordie is most strong in the BIKER area of newcastle people in shields havnt even got half an accent, my girlfriend is from there and all her friends :| they dont come close to geordie.
The Torm Geordie Applies Te Anyone Who Wants Te Belong Te The Geordie Community ... Whether it's cos they once lived in an area weor they were proud te be caal'd Geordies ... or whether they want te belong te that community ... It is not aboot whether yee are a posh Geordie Frem "Biker" or a Docker in Sooth Shields " It's aboot Community Man" adopted Geordies who divent have the accent are still welcum te be caal'd Geordies " Haway the lads"
There isn't an actual border marking the North East: "For many Northerners, Doncaster on the old A1 in South Yorkshire is the southern limit of the North; but for ‘Geordies’ the southern limit is Darlington on the Durham-Yorkshire border near the river Tees, if not actually Durham on the river Wear. For the Scots, however, the South begins at Newcastle on the river Tyne, if not actually at Berwick on the river Tweed" (Katie Wales, 2002: 51). and there is no actual border that decides who is "Geordie" and who is not. The general consensus among dialectologists is that "Geordie" is the regional dialect of the area around the River Tyne, from Newcastle, through Gateshead and Jarrow, to North and South Shields.
You may like to read this article: http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G1-169869519.html
Dr. Michael Pearce's research has revealed South Shields to be a bit of a grey area between the Geordie and Mackem accents, but the people of South Shields, in general, speak Geordie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.202.66.70 ( talk) 00:08, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
I grew up in Northumberland (not a Geordie then), but I always thought one definition (not the only one I'm sure) of a Geordie was someone born within the sound of the hooter of the Vickers works at Scotswood. Anybody confirm or deny that? 95.147.84.156 ( talk) 20:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
I was born and raised in County Durham. I do not speak 'Geordie'. The people of County Durham and Darlington speak in a sufficiently different manner that they be excluded from the generalisation, "Geordie refers to a person originating from Tyneside and the former coal mining areas of northern County Durham". 80.229.14.246 12:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I'm from Derwentside and people always confuse my accent with geordie. There are a few weird islands in County Durham where people speak 'posh' and in the south of the county its more akin to yorkshire but these days most of it is one. Sure Durham is technically called Pitmatic but hardly anyone has heard of that word, its all said to be geordie. The issue is confused due to football however- Newcastle fans exagerate being geordie whilst Sunderland fans will tend to make up reasons why Durham isn't geordie. I am a sunderland fan but...In the grand scheme yes Durham is another kind of geordie-- Josquius 20:33, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
I'm from Jarrow (well it was in Co Durham when I was born!) and can tell some subtle differences between the local accent and those from Newcastle and South Shields. I'd be hard pressed to list them, though, and I wouldn't say they were anywhere near enough to differentiate it as a distinct accent in its own right. Anyway, if the accent (or people) from Jarrow aren't Geordie, I'd be curious to know what they are described as (well, in terms suitable for polite company, at least!)
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21:57, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Towns in the North of Couty Durham such as Chester-le-Street have a very similar dialect to Newcastle, and share many dialect words that are rarely used in Northumberland (fog=first for example). But drop a few miles South to Durham City and you'll hearing people talking about "raydin' bowks" (reading books) with the transition to a more Yorkshire accent becoming apparent. If I had to draw a border around Geordieland it would probably start at Chester-le Street in the South, extend North to Longbenton and encompass the towns along the Tyne to the coast. Even within this though you've got pockets of very strong dialect (Birtley, Byker, North Shields) so I'm sure others will disagree. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Skipsey ( talk • contribs) 16:33, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I have never heard the expression "farm yacker" before but "pit yacker" is a very common term for the inhabitants of South-East Northumberland especially the former mining communities around Ashington. More recently I've heard the term used (once) to describe someone from the Durham mining communities. Now I've never heard that before and have no back-up on how common that is however there was a large migration from Durham pits to Northumberland pits not long back and you can see this in the similarities in accent (e.g. wesh me clays for wash my clothes) and the number of Sunderland supporters from that area so its possible the name travelled and is equally applicable
As for "farm yacker" even though I haven't heard the impression the two terms give of farms and pits and nothing else has the ring of truth about it.
Feel free to slap me down.
I noticed a contradiction in the article. For example "The accent and pronunciation, like in Lowland Scots, reflect old Anglo-Saxon pronunciations, accents and usages." which is correct but then "Geordie also has a large amount of vocabulary not seen in other English dialects. Words still in common use today include "canny" for "pleasant", "gadgie" for "man", "hyem" for "home", "divn't" for "don't", "bairn" and "grandbairn" for "child" and "grandchild", "tab" for "cigarette" (c.f. tobacco), "hacky" for "dirty", and "gannin" for "going". " The second quoted section is incorrect about these words not being found elsewhere (reason being the first quoted section :) ) so for example Scottish English and Scots, which like Northern English also developed from the Northumbrian variety of Anglo Saxon, have "canny", "hame (for hyem)" "bairn" and "gang (for gannin)". -- Nantonos 19:55, 16 July 2005 (UTC)
What about Jonny Kennedy, the fellow who had dystrophic epidermolysis bullosa? A review I read of "The Boy Whose Skin Fell Off," a documentary shown on Channel 4 in England and the TLC cable network in the USA, says he's a Geordie, which probably explains why he sounded like a Scot to my (untrained) ear. -- MitchS 23:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
Sting is from Wallsend, well known fact. He used to live in Station Road, Wallsend near to where the metro station is now in place.-- Geordiejon 11:29, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
Sunderland fans at the old Fulwell End used to chant Mackems/Geordies depending on which area of the N-E you came from from at least the early 1980's.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.43.227.18 ( talk • contribs) 06:30, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Why would supporting Sunderland mean you are no longer a Geordie? TI'm a Tyneside lad, but have always supported SAFC. I am not a Mackem, thats a Wearsider. What about NUFC fans who are from Sunderland (they do exist) are they Geordies or Mackems? Personally, football has nothing to do with it for me.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.43.227.18 ( talk • contribs) 06:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
At the end of the article there is a line mentioning the fair that takes place on the town moor in Newcastle, for a start its name is the 'hoppings' not 'hoppin's' also, and more importantly, this fair, and all other fairs around the country have nothing to do what so ever with gypsies, the term you are looking for is showmen or show people, refering to them as gypsies in their presence will land you in bother, although some show families are of Romany descent, they are most certainly not classed as gypsies and these people tend to get very annoyed (and rightly so) when they are refered to as gypsies. This is all down to the public's perception of people owning a caravan they are automatically gypsies and seen more or less as scum for want of a better word. I suggest this article is altered, maybe the author could do some research into the subject of the English fairground before going ahead and assuming things, this way he/she wont be having bother from people like the showmens guild of Great Britain and the the fairground society of Great Britain etc.
As someone has just added to the page, Geordie is also a 70's rock band for which a (stub) article exists. Is a disambiguation page called for? IainP (talk) 12:14, 24 November 2005 (UTC)