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Are 'platforms' the translation for 'plate' ? It seems likely to me, but looking at the cyrillic script on the ukrainian page I can clearly make out the word 'platforme' so literal translation is obviously pretty good, but not sure about the translation in context, it might be that plate or craton is a better translation? Can someone with a bit of knowledge of the region look at the page and in their head substitute the word platfrom for plate/craton and see if either of those makes sense.
Anyway I think we could probably remove a chunk of the current article - anything that is unclear, and then just leave this template (below) on this page until the articles are comparable in content.
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There is a german book about the geology of russia and the chapters of the book are listed on the publishers page. This might be helpful for organizing this article into sections. Plus we get an idea of which topics are still missing. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 21:03, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
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I just found another book here. It's coming out in 2013. It has the following chapters: -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 17:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
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Why are several sections gathered under the heading of "Sea of Okhotsk"? There is not a single reference to the sea in the text. RockMagnetist ( talk) 17:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
We could use geographical terms and then move west to east. These are the 8 classical geographic parts of russia:
Although I would favor geologic terms for the headlines. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 18:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I did some research on the Siberian craton and rewrote the section. About half of the terms give no search results and might be misspelled. Can someone with a trained eye look them over. Maybe also the original Russian and Ukrainian versions?
Old Text:
Siberian platform has epirhyacian age. Under platform stand Aldan Shield, Yenisei and Lena-range, among the major structural elements of which - Aldan and Anabar anticline and Viluiskaya ( Sakha) Tunguska (2 rivers) syncline, the Angara- Lena Trough, Lena- Anabar, Angara- Yenisey Vilyuisk Khatanga deflection Olenyok, Turuhan- Norilsk and Peleduyskoe? uplift, Nyuyskaya?, Berezovsky?, Irkutsk, Kan, Lindenskaya?, Ust- Aldan, Chulman, Tokkinskaya? depression. Known geologically for the Siberian Traps, mineral resources here are very rich.
Thanks. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 15:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
I translated the geographic regions picture and uploaded it to commons. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 10:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
And here is the first draft of the geologic regions. Definitely needs some more expertise. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 10:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I made another even more detailed map which I hope is acurate. All three are SVGs so it's no big problem to move the text around. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 20:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I just put the more detailed map into the article but I think it still needs work, I think ideally it should (only) label each of the things we have in the contents list
1 East European craton
1.1 Timan Ridge
1.2 Timan-Pechora Basin
2 Ural orogeny
3 West Siberian basin
4 Siberian craton
5 Verhoyansk-Chukotka collision zone
5.1 Verkhoyansk-Kolyma orogeny
5.2 Novosibirsk-Chukotka orogeny
6 Okhotsk-Chukotka volcanic belt
7 Pacific rim orogenies
7.1 Kurile islands arc
7.2 West Kamchatka orogeny
7.3 Sikhote-Alin orogeny
7.4 Koryak orogeny
7.5 Sakhalin Cenozoic orogeny
8 Geology of the Russian arctic
8.1 Kara terrane
I think Roderick Murchison (1792–1871), Edouard de Verneuil (1805–1873) and Count Alexander von Keyserling (1815–1891), shouldn't be cited. -- Chris.urs-o ( talk) 07:10, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This seems to be mostly gibberish, I can't make sensible sentences out of it - anyone want to try or shall I just chop it out for now?
Koryak orogeny is divided into a very complex system of folded flaky-slip-cover and structure. Incision in the Western zones of geosynclinal thickness presented siliceous volcanic and carbonate-terrigenous (Ordovician - Cretaceous Aptian stage) rocks, unconformably overlain by molasse complex of marine and continental sediments. All Paleozoic and Mesozoic basins have been stored for the oceanic crust, represented ophiolites.
EdwardLane ( talk) 13:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Well here's my attempt The Koryak fold and thrust belt consists of Lower Palaeozoic to Cenozoic terranes. Including early Carboniferous metamorphic terranes, comprised of folds, domes and shear zones with related high-pressure/low-temperature metamorphism. Latest Jurassic to early Cretaceous (early Albian) thrusting was accompanied by dextral strike-slip faulting, and this formed imbricate fans of thrusts and folds with southeast vergence, creating a broken formation and serpentinite mélange, some of the rocks were metamorphosed to blueschist, these structures are now overlapped by the Upper Albian sedimentary rocks with an angular unconformity. A late Cretaceous to Cenozoic deformational event characterized by significant sinistral strike-slip displacement at higher crustal levels resulted in a new set of structures and rotation of pre-existing structures. The latest Jurassic to early Cretaceous (early Albian) thrusting, and late Cretaceous to Cenozoic deformational event correspond to assumed proto-Pacific plate motions based on palaeomagnetic data. obviously citing that link
Not sure if this info is retricted to describing just the western half of the koryak belt ? Also not sure if that correctly corresponds to the section header. I'll pop back later see if I can figure it out. EdwardLane ( talk) 09:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Looking around the Category:Geology of Russia I found Central Asian Orogenic Belt which looks like it probably deserves a mention here? EdwardLane ( talk) 09:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Medeis, good job tweaking wording. EdwardLane ( talk) 10:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
This is the old text of the Ural orogeny section. I hope I included all the points made in these very confusing sentences:
The structure of the Ural-Mongolian orogeny epipaleozoic separating the two ancient platforms highlights areas rifeyskoi, Baikal, Salair, Caledonian and Hercynian orogeny. Yenisei-Sayan-Baikal region and Riphean Baikal orogeny frames the Siberian platform.
I came to the conclusion that the text lists things that are around the Ural and/or compose the Ural + Siberian basin = Ural-Siberian platform. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 13:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Just found the article
Main Uralian Fault - should probably be referenced somewhere in the urals section - but I feel a bit out of my depth at the moment.
EdwardLane (
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09:43, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
There is no template for regional geology yet. I tried to make a infobox with a general template for this article. I think it would be best to gather feedback and suggestions on the Wikiproject Geology talk page. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 17:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
A couple of sections were holding up the DYK process, so I have transferred them here. Once citations are found, they can be restored. RockMagnetist ( talk) 17:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
EdwardLane ( talk) 00:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm putting west Kamchatka back into the article - it appears to have sufficient references EdwardLane ( talk) 10:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
The Sikhote-Alin orogeny took place during the Permian and Triassic when a number of microcontinents collided with the eastern margin of Russia. [1] The Sikhote-Alin orogeny is bounded by the Bureya and Khankaysky massifs which consist of several meridional zones; the western of which are superimposed on the Precambrian continental foundation, and the eastern on oceanic crust of Devonion-Permian age. Shallow Cambrian limestones are known in the western zone, on the eastern edge of which, during the Devonian there lay a volcanic belt. Carboniferous and Permian limestone and volcanic rocks are represented, with the eastern zones composed of thick layers of terrigenous (eroded from the land) and tuffaceous (originating as volcanic ash) silica-bearing geosynclinal sediments of the Triassic and Jurassic.
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I have compiled some things that might make usable material for this page. see here. Hopefully it helps. Al Climbs ( talk) 11:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
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Are 'platforms' the translation for 'plate' ? It seems likely to me, but looking at the cyrillic script on the ukrainian page I can clearly make out the word 'platforme' so literal translation is obviously pretty good, but not sure about the translation in context, it might be that plate or craton is a better translation? Can someone with a bit of knowledge of the region look at the page and in their head substitute the word platfrom for plate/craton and see if either of those makes sense.
Anyway I think we could probably remove a chunk of the current article - anything that is unclear, and then just leave this template (below) on this page until the articles are comparable in content.
Expand Ukrainian|Геологія_Росії|date=oct 2012no longer just a translation
EdwardLane (
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08:05, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
There is a german book about the geology of russia and the chapters of the book are listed on the publishers page. This might be helpful for organizing this article into sections. Plus we get an idea of which topics are still missing. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 21:03, 11 October 2012 (UTC)
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I just found another book here. It's coming out in 2013. It has the following chapters: -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 17:56, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
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Why are several sections gathered under the heading of "Sea of Okhotsk"? There is not a single reference to the sea in the text. RockMagnetist ( talk) 17:47, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
We could use geographical terms and then move west to east. These are the 8 classical geographic parts of russia:
Although I would favor geologic terms for the headlines. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 18:52, 12 October 2012 (UTC)
I did some research on the Siberian craton and rewrote the section. About half of the terms give no search results and might be misspelled. Can someone with a trained eye look them over. Maybe also the original Russian and Ukrainian versions?
Old Text:
Siberian platform has epirhyacian age. Under platform stand Aldan Shield, Yenisei and Lena-range, among the major structural elements of which - Aldan and Anabar anticline and Viluiskaya ( Sakha) Tunguska (2 rivers) syncline, the Angara- Lena Trough, Lena- Anabar, Angara- Yenisey Vilyuisk Khatanga deflection Olenyok, Turuhan- Norilsk and Peleduyskoe? uplift, Nyuyskaya?, Berezovsky?, Irkutsk, Kan, Lindenskaya?, Ust- Aldan, Chulman, Tokkinskaya? depression. Known geologically for the Siberian Traps, mineral resources here are very rich.
Thanks. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 15:43, 13 October 2012 (UTC)
I translated the geographic regions picture and uploaded it to commons. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 10:20, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
And here is the first draft of the geologic regions. Definitely needs some more expertise. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 10:44, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I made another even more detailed map which I hope is acurate. All three are SVGs so it's no big problem to move the text around. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 20:07, 14 October 2012 (UTC)
I just put the more detailed map into the article but I think it still needs work, I think ideally it should (only) label each of the things we have in the contents list
1 East European craton
1.1 Timan Ridge
1.2 Timan-Pechora Basin
2 Ural orogeny
3 West Siberian basin
4 Siberian craton
5 Verhoyansk-Chukotka collision zone
5.1 Verkhoyansk-Kolyma orogeny
5.2 Novosibirsk-Chukotka orogeny
6 Okhotsk-Chukotka volcanic belt
7 Pacific rim orogenies
7.1 Kurile islands arc
7.2 West Kamchatka orogeny
7.3 Sikhote-Alin orogeny
7.4 Koryak orogeny
7.5 Sakhalin Cenozoic orogeny
8 Geology of the Russian arctic
8.1 Kara terrane
I think Roderick Murchison (1792–1871), Edouard de Verneuil (1805–1873) and Count Alexander von Keyserling (1815–1891), shouldn't be cited. -- Chris.urs-o ( talk) 07:10, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
This seems to be mostly gibberish, I can't make sensible sentences out of it - anyone want to try or shall I just chop it out for now?
Koryak orogeny is divided into a very complex system of folded flaky-slip-cover and structure. Incision in the Western zones of geosynclinal thickness presented siliceous volcanic and carbonate-terrigenous (Ordovician - Cretaceous Aptian stage) rocks, unconformably overlain by molasse complex of marine and continental sediments. All Paleozoic and Mesozoic basins have been stored for the oceanic crust, represented ophiolites.
EdwardLane ( talk) 13:37, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Well here's my attempt The Koryak fold and thrust belt consists of Lower Palaeozoic to Cenozoic terranes. Including early Carboniferous metamorphic terranes, comprised of folds, domes and shear zones with related high-pressure/low-temperature metamorphism. Latest Jurassic to early Cretaceous (early Albian) thrusting was accompanied by dextral strike-slip faulting, and this formed imbricate fans of thrusts and folds with southeast vergence, creating a broken formation and serpentinite mélange, some of the rocks were metamorphosed to blueschist, these structures are now overlapped by the Upper Albian sedimentary rocks with an angular unconformity. A late Cretaceous to Cenozoic deformational event characterized by significant sinistral strike-slip displacement at higher crustal levels resulted in a new set of structures and rotation of pre-existing structures. The latest Jurassic to early Cretaceous (early Albian) thrusting, and late Cretaceous to Cenozoic deformational event correspond to assumed proto-Pacific plate motions based on palaeomagnetic data. obviously citing that link
Not sure if this info is retricted to describing just the western half of the koryak belt ? Also not sure if that correctly corresponds to the section header. I'll pop back later see if I can figure it out. EdwardLane ( talk) 09:35, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Looking around the Category:Geology of Russia I found Central Asian Orogenic Belt which looks like it probably deserves a mention here? EdwardLane ( talk) 09:49, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Medeis, good job tweaking wording. EdwardLane ( talk) 10:44, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
This is the old text of the Ural orogeny section. I hope I included all the points made in these very confusing sentences:
The structure of the Ural-Mongolian orogeny epipaleozoic separating the two ancient platforms highlights areas rifeyskoi, Baikal, Salair, Caledonian and Hercynian orogeny. Yenisei-Sayan-Baikal region and Riphean Baikal orogeny frames the Siberian platform.
I came to the conclusion that the text lists things that are around the Ural and/or compose the Ural + Siberian basin = Ural-Siberian platform. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 13:49, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
Just found the article
Main Uralian Fault - should probably be referenced somewhere in the urals section - but I feel a bit out of my depth at the moment.
EdwardLane (
talk)
09:43, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
There is no template for regional geology yet. I tried to make a infobox with a general template for this article. I think it would be best to gather feedback and suggestions on the Wikiproject Geology talk page. -- Tobias1984 ( talk) 17:24, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
A couple of sections were holding up the DYK process, so I have transferred them here. Once citations are found, they can be restored. RockMagnetist ( talk) 17:02, 5 November 2012 (UTC)
EdwardLane ( talk) 00:37, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm putting west Kamchatka back into the article - it appears to have sufficient references EdwardLane ( talk) 10:47, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
The Sikhote-Alin orogeny took place during the Permian and Triassic when a number of microcontinents collided with the eastern margin of Russia. [1] The Sikhote-Alin orogeny is bounded by the Bureya and Khankaysky massifs which consist of several meridional zones; the western of which are superimposed on the Precambrian continental foundation, and the eastern on oceanic crust of Devonion-Permian age. Shallow Cambrian limestones are known in the western zone, on the eastern edge of which, during the Devonian there lay a volcanic belt. Carboniferous and Permian limestone and volcanic rocks are represented, with the eastern zones composed of thick layers of terrigenous (eroded from the land) and tuffaceous (originating as volcanic ash) silica-bearing geosynclinal sediments of the Triassic and Jurassic.
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I have compiled some things that might make usable material for this page. see here. Hopefully it helps. Al Climbs ( talk) 11:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
This page is an archive of past discussions. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page. |