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I am Wikifying this article by sections. If you feel I have erred in either style or substance (for instance, if my links change the meaning of a sentence), please correct whatever you find. However, please note that if I leapt to an errant conclusion based on the context, it is likely that other readers will do the same; I recommend changing the wording and not just the link.
As I find things that need attention by anyone with subject knowledge (which is definitely NOT me), I'll post them here. To wit:
Topo Section: Need to create separate articles or stubs for Mount Herman (done), Mount Meron and Cape Carmel. I did not create them because, unless they have content, they will be
VfD'ed instantly for lack of hits. There may be alternative names for these features that could be linked, or other ways to phrase the article if the features are
not notable.
Kevin/Last1in 18:43, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Climate Section: The context of the phrase, "...and the subtropical humidity of the Levant or eastern Mediterranean...," makes it hard to wikify, since the usage of Levant here does not mesh cleanly with Levant. Is there another word or phrase that could be used to identify the area of "subtropical humidity"? Kevin/Last1in 19:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Much has already been said. I think that the article is valid if fixed up properly. Currently, it seems more geography oriented but could have more history/bible references inserted to explain why the term settlement is the literal translation of the Hebrew 'hitnachlut' which does refer to the settling of any area (not only in 'disputed territories'). I reverted the redirect since the compromise of moving the contents to Geography of Israel was not even performed yet. I also added a merge template to make the move a bit more official and binding and copied this section to the destination talk page. -- Shuki 17:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
After I started the human geography section with the text from the other article and some data that was already there, who picks up the challenge and continues expending this part of the article? Most of the economic geography is missing, as is population geography, transportation, and more. gidonb 17:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Could someone knowledgeable check the average temperatures added by the IP, and convert the corresponding degrees Fahrenheit? Cheers, Tewfik Talk 04:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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This article has been listed for over a month with no action. I am printing a copy out for review and will hopefully pass or fail it soon. Daniel Case ( talk) 14:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
When I first gave this the once-over, I was impressed, as a former geography major. However, upon printing it out and reading through, I knew by the time I got done with the intro that it had serious issues.
The major one is the seriously flawed prose. There's repetitious wording, awkward phrasing, inconsistent use of abbreviations for units of measure, use of the wrong unit of measure for the situation (reservoir capacity is given in m³ and gallons, not cubic kilometers and feet), inconsistent use of British and American English, run-on sentences ... it's got all that. It will take more than a few fixes.
I also came to realize the article is incomplete ... we could have sections on the economic geography of Israel, the effect of the country's geography on its history (not an easy patch of land to defend).
I'll go through it later and copyedit, but the additional information will have to come from someone familiar with the subject. Daniel Case ( talk) 13:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Gee, I fail it and an edit war breaks out. And that was another thing I was afraid of ... while this article did a good job trying to be apolitical about a very politicized subject, there were places it couldn't avoid that and had to deal with the issues better than it did. One of those places was, indeed, the status of the West Bank, and I would also point to Golan Heights ... the article somewhat contradictorily refers to it as a "de facto annexation per Israeli law". If a law is passed, it's de jure. And, reading the Golan Heights Law article, I see where the contradiction arose. Since Israel has indicated (according to Golan Heights) its willingness to return the land to Syria if, among other things, Syria agrees to pretty much all Israel's terms, including not using strategically valuable high ground to launch attacks on Israel, I don't think the article should be so glib in describing it that way. Especially when the Heights, if counted as part of Israel, have its highest mountain (But where do Israeli peakbaggers go to say they've bagged their country's highest peak? That might be indicative).
We really ought to have a Territorial evolution of Israel article to deal with this, and hatnote it from here.
I also noticed that the intro, prior to this edit war, was suspiciously similar to the intro of the onetime FA Geography of India. However that cleaned it up some. Daniel Case ( talk) 21:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
"Before June 1967, the area composing Israel (resulting from the armistice lines of 1949 and 1950) was approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which included 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water.[2] Thus Israel was roughly the size of the state of New Jersey, stretching 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south.[2] Its width ranged from 114 kilometers (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 kilometers (9 mi).[2] In the June 1967 Six-Day War, Israel captured territories totaling an additional 7,099 square kilometers (2,741 sq mi).[2] These territories include the West Bank, 5,879 square kilometers (2,270 sq mi); East Jerusalem (annexed, according Israeli law), 70 square kilometers (27 sq mi); and the Golan Heights (de facto annexation), 1,150 square kilometers (444 sq mi)."
The current area of Israel is relevant in a geography article, the rest of this paragraph doesn't seem to be. I have searched for similar examples of history lectures in other "geography of" articles but failed to find anything resembling it. Case in point: Geography of the USA, another country whose borders have changed greatly over time. No comparisons of total areas before and after the Mexican Cession, the Alaska purchase etc. As Daniel Case suggests above, maybe the best solution is a Territorial evolution of Israel article, along the lines of the article Territorial acquisitions of the United States. MeteorMaker ( talk) 21:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
To the west of Israel is the Mediterranean Sea which makes up the majority of Israel's 273 kilometers (170 mi) coastline[2] and the Gaza strip.
MeteorMaker ( talk) 12:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)The area composing Israel is approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which includes 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water. Thus Israel is roughly the size of the state of New Jersey, stretching 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south. Many Israelis consider the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights to be parts of Israel. When noted, a particular geographical feature is in one of these territories.
"Israel's area is approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which include 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water. [1] Israel stretches 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south, and its width ranges from 114 kilometers (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 kilometers (9 mi). [1] Israel also partially controls territories captured in the 1967 Six-Day War, totaling an additional 7,099 square kilometers (2,741 sq mi). [1] These territories include the West Bank, 5,879 square kilometers (2,270 sq mi), which is partially administered by Palestinian National Authority; East Jerusalem, 70 square kilometers (27 sq mi), which was annexed according to Israeli law; and the Golan Heights, 1,150 square kilometers (444 sq mi), under Israeli civilian law, but not annexed."
"Israel's area is approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which includes 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water. [1] Israel stretches 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south, and its width ranges from 114 kilometers (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 kilometers (9 mi). [1] Israel also partially controls the West Bank, 5,879 square kilometers (2,270 sq mi) and the Golan Heights, 1,150 square kilometers (444 sq mi). When noted, a particular geographical feature is in one of these territories."
Hopefully we can solve this one in the same cooperative spirit as the issue above. User:Nickhh has suggested deleting Mt Hermon from the list of geographical features in this article, and there seems to be some substance in his suggestion: The coordinates given in the Mount Hermon article [1] place it inside the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Zone, which is an area not under Israeli control. The southern slopes are inside the Israel-annexed zone though. Again according to the Mt Hermon article, an adjacent unnamed peak at 2,236 m is the highest elevation in Israel, not the 2,814 m Mt Hermon proper. I have updated the article accordingly. MeteorMaker ( talk) 22:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
it is not illegally occupying the Golan Heights. it used to belong to Syria and now it belongs to Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.0.147 ( talk) 16:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
The atlas suggests that there is a fairly low-elevation route from the ocean to the Dead Sea, [2] but the resolution isn't very clear and in any case erosion issues might be more relevant. In case this is a familiar topic to someone I'll ask: is there any ground for concern that eventual loss of ice in Greenland or Antarctica could flood the entire Dead Sea basin? (Conversely, would such a flood consume enough volume to offer any significant relief to the other cities/countries inundated by rising sea level?) Wnt ( talk) 20:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking for info about how Israel compares to British Palestine, Roman Palestine, the Kingdoms of Jerusalem, Judah & Israel as well as pre-Hebrew Canaan. Also, are those all the incarnations? Sceptik ( talk) 04:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Since its not part of Israel proper: [4] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 10:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Areas under israeli occupation are not part of Israel. [5] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 00:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
All countries in the world and the entire international community say it is in Syria and that its occupied by Israel. No country except Israel say its in Israel, so according to Wikipedia rules due weight, we must follow the vast majority viewpoint and not the extreme minority, and that is that its "occupied". The same thing with the total area and land area of Israel, it is against npov to have a region that is internationally recognized as in Syria in the total area and land area numbers of another country - Israel. See: Due and undue weight. So we can not here imply that the region is in Israel because that's not reality and its a violation against Wikipedia rules npov. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The U.S. Library of Congress says that Israels area is 20,700 square kilometers. [6] This is before the occupation began in 1967, which is the internationally recognized borders, so the infobox should reflect that. We can have both numbers as they have done in the Israel article. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
With the revelation that Sipio is a sock of Amoruso, who is topic banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict, his pov edits against the international view where he has added occupied lands in the numbers of Israels area has been reverted, and been replaced with neutrality following the international view. I have also removed Mount Hermon and its photo from the "Selected elevations" list, since the mountain is internationally recognized as in Syria, and not in Israel at all. Also removed the 500px-JRiver en svg.png image uploaded by Amoruso since it displaced the West Bank and Gaza strip as part of Israel, clearly in violation of npov and also in violation of his topic ban. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 17:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Supreme Deliciousness take a look at the source
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html it says "22,072", every article use this as their source, you are not smarter than them.
and about the image, dont you dare touch the image, it says "hula valley and mount hermon" hula valley is in israel and there is no doubt about it, if there is mount hermon behind this, its not youre business. —Preceding
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Given the above argument, which has actually left the article without any area being displayed, I have tried to look things up in politically independent sources and find:
and
Both require a subscription to reach. They don't pretend to give details to as many figures as the CIA, but have the advantage of being politically independent and therefore do not advance information that is convenient to an organ of a government and its foreign relations aims.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 12:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
IP is most likely topic banned Amouroso, who also told you to help him out here: [7] CIA source although reliable, contains occupied territories, most likely annexed EJ and GH but not WB and Gaza. The internationally recognized 1967 borders/numbers are the neutral one. And btw, it was topic banned Amouroso who before with his sock changed the area numbers without any discussion or agreement for the change: [8] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 17:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm gonna change the numbers back to without the numbers for the occupied territories, as that was the original status quo and there is objection for the change, and it was changed by a topic banned user. So if you want to change it, please get consensus for the change first.
Here is a map: [10], it shows that the mountain is in Syria and Lebanon and you can clearly see that its not in Israel. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Hope&Act3!. The U.S. Library of Congress gives 20,700 square kilometers for Israels 1967 borders. These are the internationally (including the Unites States) recognized borders. Do you know what that means? Its means that all countries on earth see these as the borders of Israel, and no country including the United States accepts Israels occupation of Golan and the West bank as part of Israel. (Please read: Due and undue weight) Same thing with Mount Hermon, the south of it is in Golan, not in Israel. Now I showed you this map [11], now if you have a problem with your computer so you cant view the map, I cant help you with that. If you want you can ask an admin to view the map for you and the admin can tell you if the mountain is in Israel or not. Nableezy also posted another map above from the CIA, give that image a try and see if you can view it, it also shows that mount Hermon isn't in Israel. What do you mean "what's about that red link?" ? Its a red link, there is no image. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 22:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
@SD: I'll try to explain again clearly to you. - all countries on earth see these as the borders of Israel,
not quite, as I wrote above: (4) 'And as we all know the 1967 borders are the internationally recognized borders,' uncorrect statement! if by WE you mean you and me, you probably believe that but I for one only know that some would like these to be recognized as the final borders . Check Borders of Israel for a detailed exposé (extract: When the tide of battle turned against the Arab forces, they agreed to a ceasefire in the 1949 Armistice Agreements, popularly in Israel referred as the Green Line. These ceasefire lines were expressly declared in the Armistice Agreements as not being final borders.) In other words Israel's recognized borders are not to be confused with the armistice green line which is not a border
if this armistice line was the 'already recognized borders of Israel' all these politicians would be wasting our money spending so much on so called 'peace talks'. This green line is only a starting point for discussion, don't pretend you don't know that by now, and every body knows that there will be some landswaps -if they ever manage to agree on something while they are presently unable to even to agree to talk to each other...- so this will never be the 'recognized borders of Israel' and anyway we are to state what is not what will be according to so-and-so
- no country including the United States accepts Israels occupation of Golan and the West bank as part of Israel. what the US or your uncle G. accepts has nothing to do here they don't rule in wp where we deal only with reality not with wishful thinking of any kind and I wd be surprised if there was an actual official US declaration that the Golan or Jerusalem are not in Israel whatever they consider should be if they did we wd say so: the US... as an opinion -wp is an encyclopedia, remember? not a site describing a fantasy land-, FACT: Mt Hermon is in the Israeli governed part of the Golan not levitating in a no man's land. Another pov can be mentioned if relevant but cannot supersede the reality or we wd be just philosophying: caressing this and that thought,
- your map -which by the way is copyrighted and should not be used here- shows that Mt Hermon is in the Golan, I think we all knew that already! don't try to bring up any other map, if it shows that this mount is not IN Israel then it's either outdated or a fictitious map just as you can find maps which show between the river and the sea only the Palestine dream pov. -N.B.: my computer is fine and I can read maps while I believe that you cannot, and no I don't need anybody tells me if Mt Hermon is in Israel or not since I can visit it and check by myself-
- once again (copied from above): SD gave as reference an out of date data Before June 1967, the area composing Israel (resulting from the armistice lines of 1949 and 1950) was about 20,700 square kilometers which he picked up, neglecting the sequel The area added to Israel after the June 1967 War which does specify 'added to israel' so that means that Israel after 1967 is equal to area before 1967 plus the added area -doesn't say Israel exists only in the pre 1967 reality, just straight and plain: added to Israel (nothing about recognised borders probably because Israel was not recognized by the Arab states already before 1967 let alone her borders!) if you understand English as I thought but worth checking; SD's ref number of choice is 20,700 plus 7,477 = 28,177 square kilometers,
for consistency's sake since you stick to that source you have to use its numbers not the ones you prefer
- the red link means there was sth previously, what happened to it?
- @Nab.: so the US do not say that Mt Hermon is in Israel nor that it is in Syria or anywhere else, so? do they say where it is levitating? neither. Israel says it is in Israel and I believe that since I can drive from my home in Jerusalem (Israel) to Ramat haGolan (Israel) without crossing any roadblock or border, without a passport and a visa, that's called a 'reality check'. Maybe it's practicing some kind of religion that you keep repeating your mantra 'it's not in Israel' but by that you can convince only the believers, until a political decision is made to change that, the Golan and Jerusalem are in Israel, this is concrete geography not an hagglers market negotiation, it's also about taxes, judiciary authority, police and army control, health and education, housing, banks and commerce, currency and language, etc. about a full fledged real state. A religiously obstinate denial is subjective and out of sync. Simply put: you are trying to flatten the Earth.
I am probably overdoing it in the patience range it's because I want to make sure that you understand the difference between facts and fantasy, at least nobody can say I didn't try. And please do take into consideration that it will be less tedious if you read the previous posts before adding any new one and then we could move on. So now that we are on the same page, let's keep out of fiction writing and back to the article: the area is 28,177 square kilometers and Mt Hermon is in the Golan which is in Israel for the time being, OK? Hope&Act3! ( talk) 10:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
@SD: You have no consensus for your pov edits. If you do not have any consensus you can not change the numbers! but still you did that many times - additionally you cheated on the numbers... you have no consensus to dishonestly edit the numbers! OK? I'll change to the correct numbers from your source
@Nab: even the Israeli government does not claim well check again. in a state of belligerent occupation check that too, it's the quietest border of Israel! that's the reason why the Israelis want to keep it that way you see? so, according to you, the fact that the Golan (2/3 of it) is in Israel is proof that it is not in Israel? like you go to file a complaint against your neighbour who stole your TV set and the police officer asks: is it in your neighbour's house? and you answer: no! surely not! it's mine so it's in my home!... so as the Golan is Syrian and it has been captured by Israel, it is nevertheless in Syria not in Israel 'kuz it is Syrian... right? hummm sounds very un-Cartesian to me... sure that's a basic point that I can't accept a tortuous demonstration demonstrating an insane position. I accept only facts (may be you could get an account in Second Life virtual land?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hope&Act3! ( talk • contribs) 16:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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link) p. 60 Although East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been brought directly under Israeli law, by acts that amount to annexation, both of these areas continue to be viewed by the international community as occupied, and their status as regards the applicability of international rules is in most respects identical to that of the West Bank and Gaza.I havn't read this whole thread, but commenting on the last post, I think a differentiation needs to bared in mind. The Golan is legally part of Syria. But it is physically part of Israel. (A tourist will not be able to enter the Golan from Syria.) So it is in some form "in Israel" and part of its geography. Chesdovi ( talk) 23:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The source cited for the size of Israel being 28,177 km2 does not once say that the size of Israel is 28,177 km2. The source, which is taken from this book gives sizes for Israel and "territories occupied" and "annexed territories". The same book says the following in the beginning of the section on geography of Israel, [13]:
Size: About 20,700 square kilometers. Occupied territories compromise additional 7,477 square kilometers: West Bank, 5,879; Gaza Strip, 278; East Jerusalem, annexed in July 1980, 70; and Golan Heights, annexed in December 1981, 1,150
So not only does this source not say the total size of Israel 28,177 km2 as Hope&Act3 has been contending, it in fact says flat out that the size is 20,700 km2 and that occupied territories account for an additional 7,477 km2. It lists those occupied territories as being the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights. This is not only original research, it is introducing blatant political misinformation into encyclopedia articles. These numbers should be reverted now. nableezy - 19:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I have now corrected the information with this source, Hope&Act3, stop your edit warring, you have no consensus for your change. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
The - 1,368 ft. elevation in the Judean desert, is it in the West bank? -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
This revert violates multiple policies and guidelines. To begin with, there are an abundance of sources that clearly say that the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights were occupied in 1967 and remain occupied to this day. The usage of "disputed territory" is POV, it reflects the extreme minority view that these territories are not occupied and disregards the overwhelming majority of sources that say that it is. This is the chosen language of the right wing of the Israeli political spectrum, and it is not in compliance with NPOV to use it in the encyclopedia's narrative voice. Additionally, the repeated usage of the terms Judea and Samaria when referring to a territory violates WP:WESTBANK. This edit should be reverted. nableezy - 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The section on Selected elevations lists a few places outside of Israel. One of the entries Mount Hermon, located in the Golan. As this article is supposedly about the geography of Israel, and not of Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories, it is necessary to stipulate that this elevation is in the occupied territories. Currently it simply says it is in the "Israeli controlled Golan Heights", whereas the correct term, as evidenced by the title of this article is "Israeli-occupied". Also, the Mount of Olives misleadingly says that it is located in Jerusalem, full stop. The Mount of Olives is also located outside of Israel, being in East Jerusalem, part of what is internationally recognized as occupied Palestinian territories. By removing the fact that this place is actually in occupied East Jerusalem, Wikipedia is tacitly endorsing the expansionist Israeli POV that "greater Jerusalem" is one unit that is part of Israel. This is an extreme minority viewpoint that Wikipedia cannot portray as fact. I am tagging the section until this is resolved. nableezy - 14:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Gilabrand, in this edit [14], you re ad Mount Hermon and East Jerusalem to the Selected elevations section section with the edit summary "geography is about a physical place - take your politics somewhere else", what does this edit summary mean? Yes geography is about a physical place, this article being about Israel, neither Mount Hermon or East Jerusalem are in that place, so that was the reason for its removal, how does your edit summary justify its addition? how is this politics?, this is facts. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 14:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hertz, you have removed that Israeli occupied territories are Israeli occupied and they are therefore presented in the article as part of Israel. Despite the discussion about this above. This is not neutral and is factually inaccurate. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
This issue could be resolved by moving all mention of locations in West Bank or Golan to a separate section called "Occupied territories". The article as it stands today is simply not neutral as it adopts the Israeli POV of Golan being part of Israel. A disclaimer in a separate section is not good enough as the reader should not be expected to have read the article top-to-bottom. -- Frederico1234 ( talk) 06:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
OK to remove the factual inaccuracy tag? The table under "location and boundaries" seems to me to be properly sourced and attentive to the political dispute. I'll give it a day or two more. Shilton ( talk) 18:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
This claim is false. Palestine as of May 1948 was defined as the mandated territory. -- Frederico1234 ( talk) 09:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article have "Political geography" section, administrative divisions are outside the scope of "Geography of" articles. Look at the "Geography of" articles in the Asia navbox at the bottom of the article. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 04:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
An incident occurred recently at template:Location map Israel, when user Sepsis II modified a long-standing version of Israeli map into "1949 borders" version without any discussion, suspiciously naming it File:Neutral Israel location map.svg instead of File:Israel location map.svg. Further, upon resulting edit-warring, an administrator protected that template, but perhaps mistakenly, without restoring the stable version prior to Sepsis II edits. Interestingly, there has already been a comprehensive discussion at Module_talk:Location_map/data/Syria, with an accepted solution regarding Syrian and Israeli map issues, but some editors apparently fail to acknowledge it. An administrator raised the issue at ANI, but there was not attention. There is a discussion going on to return to previous status quo before alleged system gaming by Sepsis II, but the undiscussed change shouldn't have happened in the first place. I invite editors to discuss the incident at ANI thread. GreyShark ( dibra) 18:37, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
It says in the article that Israel "is bounded to the north by Lebanon, the northeast by Syria, the east by Jordan and the West Bank, and to the southwest by Egypt, with this border also being the border between Asia and Africa." The border between Asia and Africa part is not correct. Israel shares no borders with Africa. The border in the southeast is with the Asian part of Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, which is according to Wikipedia "the only part of Egyptian territory located in Asia as opposed to Africa, effectively serving as a land bridge between two continents." It is widely accepted that the border between Asia and Africa lies inside Egypt. Even the reference that follows that claim is not saying the border between Israel and Egypt is also the border between Asia and Africa. This claim contrasts many other pages and maps on Wikipedia in which Sinai is always is Asia and never in Africa. This claim should be removed. -- Abtalion ( talk) 08:00, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
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There is a wideranging use of insonsistent terminology across many geographic articles connected to Israel, notably the use of 'hill' to refer to mountains, and capitalisation of topographic features where the standard is only to capitalise Geographic names.
The reason for bringing this up is that it is irrational, elevation being determined since ancient times by the terrain presenting obstacles to logistics of trade often requiring goods to be distributed from the coast to inland areas. These days it is even more impractical since even children now have use of GPS-enabled devices which are always callibrated to sea level.
As an example, the 'walk' from the coast to Jerusalem is in fact a 53km climb to an altitude of over 770m, and is not literally for the faint hearted. Calling the various summits in Jerusalem 'hills' is therefore misinformation from both, historical and scientific perspectives. Please see what I suspect will turn into an edit conflict in the Mount Zion article. Crock81 ( talk) 21:56, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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The koppen climate map is inaccurate, for example it shows parts of the Judean desert with a mediterranean climate (quite bizzare) and Tiberias as mediterranean while it is semi-arid (understandable), this map is more accurate (it includes the west bank and golan heights which can be edited away, the global koppen climate map from which the map here is taken shows the entirety of the west bank as mediterranean as well, while a simple check of the table at [Jericho] shows otherwise))
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Which countries have maritime border with Israel in Gulf of Eilat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.185.56.57 ( talk) 12:59, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Which sector is the mgar in Israel 2405:204:22A1:B14F:0:0:244A:28A1 ( talk) 18:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
The Golan Heights as part of Israel are recognized by the US. I suggest it be changed to "not widely recognized" Helpfulguy101 ( talk) 03:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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As a person who lives in central Israel, it looks to me because of evaporation that the center is actually semi arid. The only vegetation here is a really tiny brown and burned grasses דולב חולב ( talk) 23:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
“Israel has a Mediterranean climate with long, hot, rainless summers and relatively short, cool, rainy winters ( Köppen climate classification Csa).”
so first of all, only 40% of Israel has a Mediterranean climate. 60% has a hot desert climate.
second: the winters are really mild and not cool. דולב חולב ( talk) 16:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Another interesting point, is that Israel has the most southerly area in the northern hemisphere featuring a Mediterranean climate. דולב חולב ( talk) 19:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
I think it’s a bit misleading. there’s only one snow caped mountain (Mount Hermon), that covered with snow only in January, February and he’s in a disputed area. דולב חולב ( talk) 21:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)
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I am Wikifying this article by sections. If you feel I have erred in either style or substance (for instance, if my links change the meaning of a sentence), please correct whatever you find. However, please note that if I leapt to an errant conclusion based on the context, it is likely that other readers will do the same; I recommend changing the wording and not just the link.
As I find things that need attention by anyone with subject knowledge (which is definitely NOT me), I'll post them here. To wit:
Topo Section: Need to create separate articles or stubs for Mount Herman (done), Mount Meron and Cape Carmel. I did not create them because, unless they have content, they will be
VfD'ed instantly for lack of hits. There may be alternative names for these features that could be linked, or other ways to phrase the article if the features are
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Climate Section: The context of the phrase, "...and the subtropical humidity of the Levant or eastern Mediterranean...," makes it hard to wikify, since the usage of Levant here does not mesh cleanly with Levant. Is there another word or phrase that could be used to identify the area of "subtropical humidity"? Kevin/Last1in 19:56, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
Much has already been said. I think that the article is valid if fixed up properly. Currently, it seems more geography oriented but could have more history/bible references inserted to explain why the term settlement is the literal translation of the Hebrew 'hitnachlut' which does refer to the settling of any area (not only in 'disputed territories'). I reverted the redirect since the compromise of moving the contents to Geography of Israel was not even performed yet. I also added a merge template to make the move a bit more official and binding and copied this section to the destination talk page. -- Shuki 17:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
After I started the human geography section with the text from the other article and some data that was already there, who picks up the challenge and continues expending this part of the article? Most of the economic geography is missing, as is population geography, transportation, and more. gidonb 17:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Could someone knowledgeable check the average temperatures added by the IP, and convert the corresponding degrees Fahrenheit? Cheers, Tewfik Talk 04:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
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This article has been listed for over a month with no action. I am printing a copy out for review and will hopefully pass or fail it soon. Daniel Case ( talk) 14:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
When I first gave this the once-over, I was impressed, as a former geography major. However, upon printing it out and reading through, I knew by the time I got done with the intro that it had serious issues.
The major one is the seriously flawed prose. There's repetitious wording, awkward phrasing, inconsistent use of abbreviations for units of measure, use of the wrong unit of measure for the situation (reservoir capacity is given in m³ and gallons, not cubic kilometers and feet), inconsistent use of British and American English, run-on sentences ... it's got all that. It will take more than a few fixes.
I also came to realize the article is incomplete ... we could have sections on the economic geography of Israel, the effect of the country's geography on its history (not an easy patch of land to defend).
I'll go through it later and copyedit, but the additional information will have to come from someone familiar with the subject. Daniel Case ( talk) 13:26, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
Gee, I fail it and an edit war breaks out. And that was another thing I was afraid of ... while this article did a good job trying to be apolitical about a very politicized subject, there were places it couldn't avoid that and had to deal with the issues better than it did. One of those places was, indeed, the status of the West Bank, and I would also point to Golan Heights ... the article somewhat contradictorily refers to it as a "de facto annexation per Israeli law". If a law is passed, it's de jure. And, reading the Golan Heights Law article, I see where the contradiction arose. Since Israel has indicated (according to Golan Heights) its willingness to return the land to Syria if, among other things, Syria agrees to pretty much all Israel's terms, including not using strategically valuable high ground to launch attacks on Israel, I don't think the article should be so glib in describing it that way. Especially when the Heights, if counted as part of Israel, have its highest mountain (But where do Israeli peakbaggers go to say they've bagged their country's highest peak? That might be indicative).
We really ought to have a Territorial evolution of Israel article to deal with this, and hatnote it from here.
I also noticed that the intro, prior to this edit war, was suspiciously similar to the intro of the onetime FA Geography of India. However that cleaned it up some. Daniel Case ( talk) 21:15, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
"Before June 1967, the area composing Israel (resulting from the armistice lines of 1949 and 1950) was approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which included 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water.[2] Thus Israel was roughly the size of the state of New Jersey, stretching 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south.[2] Its width ranged from 114 kilometers (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 kilometers (9 mi).[2] In the June 1967 Six-Day War, Israel captured territories totaling an additional 7,099 square kilometers (2,741 sq mi).[2] These territories include the West Bank, 5,879 square kilometers (2,270 sq mi); East Jerusalem (annexed, according Israeli law), 70 square kilometers (27 sq mi); and the Golan Heights (de facto annexation), 1,150 square kilometers (444 sq mi)."
The current area of Israel is relevant in a geography article, the rest of this paragraph doesn't seem to be. I have searched for similar examples of history lectures in other "geography of" articles but failed to find anything resembling it. Case in point: Geography of the USA, another country whose borders have changed greatly over time. No comparisons of total areas before and after the Mexican Cession, the Alaska purchase etc. As Daniel Case suggests above, maybe the best solution is a Territorial evolution of Israel article, along the lines of the article Territorial acquisitions of the United States. MeteorMaker ( talk) 21:52, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
To the west of Israel is the Mediterranean Sea which makes up the majority of Israel's 273 kilometers (170 mi) coastline[2] and the Gaza strip.
MeteorMaker ( talk) 12:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)The area composing Israel is approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which includes 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water. Thus Israel is roughly the size of the state of New Jersey, stretching 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south. Many Israelis consider the West Bank, Gaza and the Golan Heights to be parts of Israel. When noted, a particular geographical feature is in one of these territories.
"Israel's area is approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which include 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water. [1] Israel stretches 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south, and its width ranges from 114 kilometers (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 kilometers (9 mi). [1] Israel also partially controls territories captured in the 1967 Six-Day War, totaling an additional 7,099 square kilometers (2,741 sq mi). [1] These territories include the West Bank, 5,879 square kilometers (2,270 sq mi), which is partially administered by Palestinian National Authority; East Jerusalem, 70 square kilometers (27 sq mi), which was annexed according to Israeli law; and the Golan Heights, 1,150 square kilometers (444 sq mi), under Israeli civilian law, but not annexed."
"Israel's area is approximately 20,700 square kilometers (7,992 sq mi), which includes 445 square kilometers (172 sq mi) of inland water. [1] Israel stretches 424 kilometers (263 mi) from north to south, and its width ranges from 114 kilometers (71 mi) to, at its narrowest point, 15 kilometers (9 mi). [1] Israel also partially controls the West Bank, 5,879 square kilometers (2,270 sq mi) and the Golan Heights, 1,150 square kilometers (444 sq mi). When noted, a particular geographical feature is in one of these territories."
Hopefully we can solve this one in the same cooperative spirit as the issue above. User:Nickhh has suggested deleting Mt Hermon from the list of geographical features in this article, and there seems to be some substance in his suggestion: The coordinates given in the Mount Hermon article [1] place it inside the United Nations Disengagement Observer Force Zone, which is an area not under Israeli control. The southern slopes are inside the Israel-annexed zone though. Again according to the Mt Hermon article, an adjacent unnamed peak at 2,236 m is the highest elevation in Israel, not the 2,814 m Mt Hermon proper. I have updated the article accordingly. MeteorMaker ( talk) 22:18, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
it is not illegally occupying the Golan Heights. it used to belong to Syria and now it belongs to Israel. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.0.147 ( talk) 16:30, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
The atlas suggests that there is a fairly low-elevation route from the ocean to the Dead Sea, [2] but the resolution isn't very clear and in any case erosion issues might be more relevant. In case this is a familiar topic to someone I'll ask: is there any ground for concern that eventual loss of ice in Greenland or Antarctica could flood the entire Dead Sea basin? (Conversely, would such a flood consume enough volume to offer any significant relief to the other cities/countries inundated by rising sea level?) Wnt ( talk) 20:09, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm looking for info about how Israel compares to British Palestine, Roman Palestine, the Kingdoms of Jerusalem, Judah & Israel as well as pre-Hebrew Canaan. Also, are those all the incarnations? Sceptik ( talk) 04:30, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
Since its not part of Israel proper: [4] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 10:55, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
Areas under israeli occupation are not part of Israel. [5] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 00:22, 25 April 2010 (UTC)
All countries in the world and the entire international community say it is in Syria and that its occupied by Israel. No country except Israel say its in Israel, so according to Wikipedia rules due weight, we must follow the vast majority viewpoint and not the extreme minority, and that is that its "occupied". The same thing with the total area and land area of Israel, it is against npov to have a region that is internationally recognized as in Syria in the total area and land area numbers of another country - Israel. See: Due and undue weight. So we can not here imply that the region is in Israel because that's not reality and its a violation against Wikipedia rules npov. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:11, 1 July 2010 (UTC)
The U.S. Library of Congress says that Israels area is 20,700 square kilometers. [6] This is before the occupation began in 1967, which is the internationally recognized borders, so the infobox should reflect that. We can have both numbers as they have done in the Israel article. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:39, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
With the revelation that Sipio is a sock of Amoruso, who is topic banned from the Arab-Israeli conflict, his pov edits against the international view where he has added occupied lands in the numbers of Israels area has been reverted, and been replaced with neutrality following the international view. I have also removed Mount Hermon and its photo from the "Selected elevations" list, since the mountain is internationally recognized as in Syria, and not in Israel at all. Also removed the 500px-JRiver en svg.png image uploaded by Amoruso since it displaced the West Bank and Gaza strip as part of Israel, clearly in violation of npov and also in violation of his topic ban. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 17:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
Supreme Deliciousness take a look at the source
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/is.html it says "22,072", every article use this as their source, you are not smarter than them.
and about the image, dont you dare touch the image, it says "hula valley and mount hermon" hula valley is in israel and there is no doubt about it, if there is mount hermon behind this, its not youre business. —Preceding
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Given the above argument, which has actually left the article without any area being displayed, I have tried to look things up in politically independent sources and find:
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Both require a subscription to reach. They don't pretend to give details to as many figures as the CIA, but have the advantage of being politically independent and therefore do not advance information that is convenient to an organ of a government and its foreign relations aims.-- Peter cohen ( talk) 12:32, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
IP is most likely topic banned Amouroso, who also told you to help him out here: [7] CIA source although reliable, contains occupied territories, most likely annexed EJ and GH but not WB and Gaza. The internationally recognized 1967 borders/numbers are the neutral one. And btw, it was topic banned Amouroso who before with his sock changed the area numbers without any discussion or agreement for the change: [8] -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 17:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
I'm gonna change the numbers back to without the numbers for the occupied territories, as that was the original status quo and there is objection for the change, and it was changed by a topic banned user. So if you want to change it, please get consensus for the change first.
Here is a map: [10], it shows that the mountain is in Syria and Lebanon and you can clearly see that its not in Israel. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:16, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
Hope&Act3!. The U.S. Library of Congress gives 20,700 square kilometers for Israels 1967 borders. These are the internationally (including the Unites States) recognized borders. Do you know what that means? Its means that all countries on earth see these as the borders of Israel, and no country including the United States accepts Israels occupation of Golan and the West bank as part of Israel. (Please read: Due and undue weight) Same thing with Mount Hermon, the south of it is in Golan, not in Israel. Now I showed you this map [11], now if you have a problem with your computer so you cant view the map, I cant help you with that. If you want you can ask an admin to view the map for you and the admin can tell you if the mountain is in Israel or not. Nableezy also posted another map above from the CIA, give that image a try and see if you can view it, it also shows that mount Hermon isn't in Israel. What do you mean "what's about that red link?" ? Its a red link, there is no image. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 22:33, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
@SD: I'll try to explain again clearly to you. - all countries on earth see these as the borders of Israel,
not quite, as I wrote above: (4) 'And as we all know the 1967 borders are the internationally recognized borders,' uncorrect statement! if by WE you mean you and me, you probably believe that but I for one only know that some would like these to be recognized as the final borders . Check Borders of Israel for a detailed exposé (extract: When the tide of battle turned against the Arab forces, they agreed to a ceasefire in the 1949 Armistice Agreements, popularly in Israel referred as the Green Line. These ceasefire lines were expressly declared in the Armistice Agreements as not being final borders.) In other words Israel's recognized borders are not to be confused with the armistice green line which is not a border
if this armistice line was the 'already recognized borders of Israel' all these politicians would be wasting our money spending so much on so called 'peace talks'. This green line is only a starting point for discussion, don't pretend you don't know that by now, and every body knows that there will be some landswaps -if they ever manage to agree on something while they are presently unable to even to agree to talk to each other...- so this will never be the 'recognized borders of Israel' and anyway we are to state what is not what will be according to so-and-so
- no country including the United States accepts Israels occupation of Golan and the West bank as part of Israel. what the US or your uncle G. accepts has nothing to do here they don't rule in wp where we deal only with reality not with wishful thinking of any kind and I wd be surprised if there was an actual official US declaration that the Golan or Jerusalem are not in Israel whatever they consider should be if they did we wd say so: the US... as an opinion -wp is an encyclopedia, remember? not a site describing a fantasy land-, FACT: Mt Hermon is in the Israeli governed part of the Golan not levitating in a no man's land. Another pov can be mentioned if relevant but cannot supersede the reality or we wd be just philosophying: caressing this and that thought,
- your map -which by the way is copyrighted and should not be used here- shows that Mt Hermon is in the Golan, I think we all knew that already! don't try to bring up any other map, if it shows that this mount is not IN Israel then it's either outdated or a fictitious map just as you can find maps which show between the river and the sea only the Palestine dream pov. -N.B.: my computer is fine and I can read maps while I believe that you cannot, and no I don't need anybody tells me if Mt Hermon is in Israel or not since I can visit it and check by myself-
- once again (copied from above): SD gave as reference an out of date data Before June 1967, the area composing Israel (resulting from the armistice lines of 1949 and 1950) was about 20,700 square kilometers which he picked up, neglecting the sequel The area added to Israel after the June 1967 War which does specify 'added to israel' so that means that Israel after 1967 is equal to area before 1967 plus the added area -doesn't say Israel exists only in the pre 1967 reality, just straight and plain: added to Israel (nothing about recognised borders probably because Israel was not recognized by the Arab states already before 1967 let alone her borders!) if you understand English as I thought but worth checking; SD's ref number of choice is 20,700 plus 7,477 = 28,177 square kilometers,
for consistency's sake since you stick to that source you have to use its numbers not the ones you prefer
- the red link means there was sth previously, what happened to it?
- @Nab.: so the US do not say that Mt Hermon is in Israel nor that it is in Syria or anywhere else, so? do they say where it is levitating? neither. Israel says it is in Israel and I believe that since I can drive from my home in Jerusalem (Israel) to Ramat haGolan (Israel) without crossing any roadblock or border, without a passport and a visa, that's called a 'reality check'. Maybe it's practicing some kind of religion that you keep repeating your mantra 'it's not in Israel' but by that you can convince only the believers, until a political decision is made to change that, the Golan and Jerusalem are in Israel, this is concrete geography not an hagglers market negotiation, it's also about taxes, judiciary authority, police and army control, health and education, housing, banks and commerce, currency and language, etc. about a full fledged real state. A religiously obstinate denial is subjective and out of sync. Simply put: you are trying to flatten the Earth.
I am probably overdoing it in the patience range it's because I want to make sure that you understand the difference between facts and fantasy, at least nobody can say I didn't try. And please do take into consideration that it will be less tedious if you read the previous posts before adding any new one and then we could move on. So now that we are on the same page, let's keep out of fiction writing and back to the article: the area is 28,177 square kilometers and Mt Hermon is in the Golan which is in Israel for the time being, OK? Hope&Act3! ( talk) 10:41, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
@SD: You have no consensus for your pov edits. If you do not have any consensus you can not change the numbers! but still you did that many times - additionally you cheated on the numbers... you have no consensus to dishonestly edit the numbers! OK? I'll change to the correct numbers from your source
@Nab: even the Israeli government does not claim well check again. in a state of belligerent occupation check that too, it's the quietest border of Israel! that's the reason why the Israelis want to keep it that way you see? so, according to you, the fact that the Golan (2/3 of it) is in Israel is proof that it is not in Israel? like you go to file a complaint against your neighbour who stole your TV set and the police officer asks: is it in your neighbour's house? and you answer: no! surely not! it's mine so it's in my home!... so as the Golan is Syrian and it has been captured by Israel, it is nevertheless in Syria not in Israel 'kuz it is Syrian... right? hummm sounds very un-Cartesian to me... sure that's a basic point that I can't accept a tortuous demonstration demonstrating an insane position. I accept only facts (may be you could get an account in Second Life virtual land?) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hope&Act3! ( talk • contribs) 16:17, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
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link) p. 60 Although East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights have been brought directly under Israeli law, by acts that amount to annexation, both of these areas continue to be viewed by the international community as occupied, and their status as regards the applicability of international rules is in most respects identical to that of the West Bank and Gaza.I havn't read this whole thread, but commenting on the last post, I think a differentiation needs to bared in mind. The Golan is legally part of Syria. But it is physically part of Israel. (A tourist will not be able to enter the Golan from Syria.) So it is in some form "in Israel" and part of its geography. Chesdovi ( talk) 23:18, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
The source cited for the size of Israel being 28,177 km2 does not once say that the size of Israel is 28,177 km2. The source, which is taken from this book gives sizes for Israel and "territories occupied" and "annexed territories". The same book says the following in the beginning of the section on geography of Israel, [13]:
Size: About 20,700 square kilometers. Occupied territories compromise additional 7,477 square kilometers: West Bank, 5,879; Gaza Strip, 278; East Jerusalem, annexed in July 1980, 70; and Golan Heights, annexed in December 1981, 1,150
So not only does this source not say the total size of Israel 28,177 km2 as Hope&Act3 has been contending, it in fact says flat out that the size is 20,700 km2 and that occupied territories account for an additional 7,477 km2. It lists those occupied territories as being the West Bank, East Jerusalem, Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights. This is not only original research, it is introducing blatant political misinformation into encyclopedia articles. These numbers should be reverted now. nableezy - 19:48, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
I have now corrected the information with this source, Hope&Act3, stop your edit warring, you have no consensus for your change. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:23, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
The - 1,368 ft. elevation in the Judean desert, is it in the West bank? -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 15:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
This revert violates multiple policies and guidelines. To begin with, there are an abundance of sources that clearly say that the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights were occupied in 1967 and remain occupied to this day. The usage of "disputed territory" is POV, it reflects the extreme minority view that these territories are not occupied and disregards the overwhelming majority of sources that say that it is. This is the chosen language of the right wing of the Israeli political spectrum, and it is not in compliance with NPOV to use it in the encyclopedia's narrative voice. Additionally, the repeated usage of the terms Judea and Samaria when referring to a territory violates WP:WESTBANK. This edit should be reverted. nableezy - 19:50, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
The section on Selected elevations lists a few places outside of Israel. One of the entries Mount Hermon, located in the Golan. As this article is supposedly about the geography of Israel, and not of Israel and the Israeli-occupied territories, it is necessary to stipulate that this elevation is in the occupied territories. Currently it simply says it is in the "Israeli controlled Golan Heights", whereas the correct term, as evidenced by the title of this article is "Israeli-occupied". Also, the Mount of Olives misleadingly says that it is located in Jerusalem, full stop. The Mount of Olives is also located outside of Israel, being in East Jerusalem, part of what is internationally recognized as occupied Palestinian territories. By removing the fact that this place is actually in occupied East Jerusalem, Wikipedia is tacitly endorsing the expansionist Israeli POV that "greater Jerusalem" is one unit that is part of Israel. This is an extreme minority viewpoint that Wikipedia cannot portray as fact. I am tagging the section until this is resolved. nableezy - 14:35, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Gilabrand, in this edit [14], you re ad Mount Hermon and East Jerusalem to the Selected elevations section section with the edit summary "geography is about a physical place - take your politics somewhere else", what does this edit summary mean? Yes geography is about a physical place, this article being about Israel, neither Mount Hermon or East Jerusalem are in that place, so that was the reason for its removal, how does your edit summary justify its addition? how is this politics?, this is facts. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 14:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Hertz, you have removed that Israeli occupied territories are Israeli occupied and they are therefore presented in the article as part of Israel. Despite the discussion about this above. This is not neutral and is factually inaccurate. -- Supreme Deliciousness ( talk) 21:18, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
This issue could be resolved by moving all mention of locations in West Bank or Golan to a separate section called "Occupied territories". The article as it stands today is simply not neutral as it adopts the Israeli POV of Golan being part of Israel. A disclaimer in a separate section is not good enough as the reader should not be expected to have read the article top-to-bottom. -- Frederico1234 ( talk) 06:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
OK to remove the factual inaccuracy tag? The table under "location and boundaries" seems to me to be properly sourced and attentive to the political dispute. I'll give it a day or two more. Shilton ( talk) 18:14, 9 October 2012 (UTC)
This claim is false. Palestine as of May 1948 was defined as the mandated territory. -- Frederico1234 ( talk) 09:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Why does this article have "Political geography" section, administrative divisions are outside the scope of "Geography of" articles. Look at the "Geography of" articles in the Asia navbox at the bottom of the article. Emmette Hernandez Coleman ( talk) 04:56, 20 January 2013 (UTC)
An incident occurred recently at template:Location map Israel, when user Sepsis II modified a long-standing version of Israeli map into "1949 borders" version without any discussion, suspiciously naming it File:Neutral Israel location map.svg instead of File:Israel location map.svg. Further, upon resulting edit-warring, an administrator protected that template, but perhaps mistakenly, without restoring the stable version prior to Sepsis II edits. Interestingly, there has already been a comprehensive discussion at Module_talk:Location_map/data/Syria, with an accepted solution regarding Syrian and Israeli map issues, but some editors apparently fail to acknowledge it. An administrator raised the issue at ANI, but there was not attention. There is a discussion going on to return to previous status quo before alleged system gaming by Sepsis II, but the undiscussed change shouldn't have happened in the first place. I invite editors to discuss the incident at ANI thread. GreyShark ( dibra) 18:37, 30 April 2014 (UTC)
It says in the article that Israel "is bounded to the north by Lebanon, the northeast by Syria, the east by Jordan and the West Bank, and to the southwest by Egypt, with this border also being the border between Asia and Africa." The border between Asia and Africa part is not correct. Israel shares no borders with Africa. The border in the southeast is with the Asian part of Egypt, the Sinai Peninsula, which is according to Wikipedia "the only part of Egyptian territory located in Asia as opposed to Africa, effectively serving as a land bridge between two continents." It is widely accepted that the border between Asia and Africa lies inside Egypt. Even the reference that follows that claim is not saying the border between Israel and Egypt is also the border between Asia and Africa. This claim contrasts many other pages and maps on Wikipedia in which Sinai is always is Asia and never in Africa. This claim should be removed. -- Abtalion ( talk) 08:00, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Geography of Israel's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
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There is a wideranging use of insonsistent terminology across many geographic articles connected to Israel, notably the use of 'hill' to refer to mountains, and capitalisation of topographic features where the standard is only to capitalise Geographic names.
The reason for bringing this up is that it is irrational, elevation being determined since ancient times by the terrain presenting obstacles to logistics of trade often requiring goods to be distributed from the coast to inland areas. These days it is even more impractical since even children now have use of GPS-enabled devices which are always callibrated to sea level.
As an example, the 'walk' from the coast to Jerusalem is in fact a 53km climb to an altitude of over 770m, and is not literally for the faint hearted. Calling the various summits in Jerusalem 'hills' is therefore misinformation from both, historical and scientific perspectives. Please see what I suspect will turn into an edit conflict in the Mount Zion article. Crock81 ( talk) 21:56, 8 October 2016 (UTC)
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Change "Ranked 147th" to "Ranked 150th" Wow323 Talk• Stalk• Sign 18:46, 26 December 2018 (UTC)
The koppen climate map is inaccurate, for example it shows parts of the Judean desert with a mediterranean climate (quite bizzare) and Tiberias as mediterranean while it is semi-arid (understandable), this map is more accurate (it includes the west bank and golan heights which can be edited away, the global koppen climate map from which the map here is taken shows the entirety of the west bank as mediterranean as well, while a simple check of the table at [Jericho] shows otherwise))
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Area: (1/3 of Srilanka) 46.31.101.31 ( talk) 11:15, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
Which countries have maritime border with Israel in Gulf of Eilat? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.185.56.57 ( talk) 12:59, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Which sector is the mgar in Israel 2405:204:22A1:B14F:0:0:244A:28A1 ( talk) 18:44, 21 April 2022 (UTC)
The Golan Heights as part of Israel are recognized by the US. I suggest it be changed to "not widely recognized" Helpfulguy101 ( talk) 03:00, 9 March 2023 (UTC)
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As a person who lives in central Israel, it looks to me because of evaporation that the center is actually semi arid. The only vegetation here is a really tiny brown and burned grasses דולב חולב ( talk) 23:40, 17 January 2024 (UTC)
“Israel has a Mediterranean climate with long, hot, rainless summers and relatively short, cool, rainy winters ( Köppen climate classification Csa).”
so first of all, only 40% of Israel has a Mediterranean climate. 60% has a hot desert climate.
second: the winters are really mild and not cool. דולב חולב ( talk) 16:26, 21 January 2024 (UTC)
Another interesting point, is that Israel has the most southerly area in the northern hemisphere featuring a Mediterranean climate. דולב חולב ( talk) 19:12, 25 January 2024 (UTC)
I think it’s a bit misleading. there’s only one snow caped mountain (Mount Hermon), that covered with snow only in January, February and he’s in a disputed area. דולב חולב ( talk) 21:48, 23 April 2024 (UTC)