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In the introduction, what is meant by "both languages"? I assume this once made sense, but edits have moved it out of context. -- Allanlewis ( talk) 16:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hi all,
Just thought I'd pose the question here and leave it to editors, rather than just going in and changing things myself, but what is Wikipedia style in regards to cultural considerations in its content? In Australian Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander cultures, it is often the case that reference to persons by their first names and (since the arrival of Europeans) through photographs is an offense, due to traditional beliefs and practices.
If possible, would it be possible to temporarily remove photos of Yunupingu's face from the article and remove his first name, either using initials or substituting for one of the common grieving names such as Kumantjayi? I believe his family has asked for this specifically, and many local media outlets in Australia are complying out of respect. I appreciate as an encyclopaedia particularly the name bit may be tricky, but perhaps even just leaving the page meta 'title' as is and changing all the references in the actual copy would be respectful, perhaps marking use with an appropriate footnote, a la:
"After the death of an Australian Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander person, it is common for family to request that the person's first name and any images not be used for a period of time. Out of respect for Australian First Peoples cultures and for the family of Dr G Yunupingu, throughout this article the subject of this article will be referred to as Kumantjayi Yunupingu, G Yunupingu or Dr Yunupingu for a period of time."
Even removing some of the current use of his first name in the article and instead just using his surname would be good, as would removing the images or cropping them so his face is not shown.
Also, his doctorate is honorary, but he has been consistently referred to as Dr in all Australian media, perhaps partially to distinguish him from other relatives also in Yothu Yindi. I'll leave that up to Wikipedia editors to decide on style.
-- Nubbins01 ( talk) 08:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
There is the Content disclaimer: Articles may contain audio, visual, or written representations of people or events which may be protected by some cultures..
The inclusion of this issue in the content disclaimer is the position I support. If the content offends or is objectionable, the reader can choose not to view the offending or objectionable content. This places the onus on the reader to take their own steps to manage their offence and objection, rather than editors. Requiring Wikipedia and its editors to "respect" (i.e. follow) specific cultural mores is not appropriate and frankly unworkable for a global encyclopedia. The same principle is applied with other cultures such as Hirohito for example.
Note: Respect is in "scare quotes" not because I am dismissive of the cultural practice. The opposite is true, I respect the practice and those who choose to follow it; in the same way I respect the religious beliefs of anyone. Respecting those beliefs is not the same as adopting them myself, however. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 04:33, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
I have expanded the following note to objectively clarify the distinction between usual practice for honorary doctorates, and the unconventional usage (already mentioned in the article) adopted by some in this case.
Avoiding the use of a deceased person's first name is part of grieving practice amongst many Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. Use of the title "Dr." is apparently based on the
honorary doctorate conferred in 2012 by
The University of Sydney
[1]. However, most universities, including The University of Sydney
[2]
[3], do not endorse the use of "Dr." as a title for holders of honorary doctorates; this is also reflected in the obituary published in the New York Times, which refers to him as Mr. Yunupingu
[4].
—DIV (
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talk) 12:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC))
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I note in the lead section of this article, that it is listed that Dr. G. Yunupingu sung in his native languages, but also in English. It is not noted in the article, but Dr. Yunupingu did not actually speak any English whatsoever, and learned all of the English lyrics he sung, parrot fashion. Where would you add information like this in the existing article context? Would it go in one of the sections which is already present, or would it be added in a "Trivia" section? Dane| Geld 20:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Natg 19 ( talk) 01:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
– Move to the common name; as "Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu" is his birth name. See his official website here, his official Spotify, and a Google Search yielding numerous references to him with this name for evidence. Quite frankly, I'm surprised this page has existed at the incorrect name for so long. Sean Stephens ( talk) 13:34, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
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In the introduction, what is meant by "both languages"? I assume this once made sense, but edits have moved it out of context. -- Allanlewis ( talk) 16:47, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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Hi all,
Just thought I'd pose the question here and leave it to editors, rather than just going in and changing things myself, but what is Wikipedia style in regards to cultural considerations in its content? In Australian Aboriginal and Torres Straight Islander cultures, it is often the case that reference to persons by their first names and (since the arrival of Europeans) through photographs is an offense, due to traditional beliefs and practices.
If possible, would it be possible to temporarily remove photos of Yunupingu's face from the article and remove his first name, either using initials or substituting for one of the common grieving names such as Kumantjayi? I believe his family has asked for this specifically, and many local media outlets in Australia are complying out of respect. I appreciate as an encyclopaedia particularly the name bit may be tricky, but perhaps even just leaving the page meta 'title' as is and changing all the references in the actual copy would be respectful, perhaps marking use with an appropriate footnote, a la:
"After the death of an Australian Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander person, it is common for family to request that the person's first name and any images not be used for a period of time. Out of respect for Australian First Peoples cultures and for the family of Dr G Yunupingu, throughout this article the subject of this article will be referred to as Kumantjayi Yunupingu, G Yunupingu or Dr Yunupingu for a period of time."
Even removing some of the current use of his first name in the article and instead just using his surname would be good, as would removing the images or cropping them so his face is not shown.
Also, his doctorate is honorary, but he has been consistently referred to as Dr in all Australian media, perhaps partially to distinguish him from other relatives also in Yothu Yindi. I'll leave that up to Wikipedia editors to decide on style.
-- Nubbins01 ( talk) 08:26, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
There is the Content disclaimer: Articles may contain audio, visual, or written representations of people or events which may be protected by some cultures..
The inclusion of this issue in the content disclaimer is the position I support. If the content offends or is objectionable, the reader can choose not to view the offending or objectionable content. This places the onus on the reader to take their own steps to manage their offence and objection, rather than editors. Requiring Wikipedia and its editors to "respect" (i.e. follow) specific cultural mores is not appropriate and frankly unworkable for a global encyclopedia. The same principle is applied with other cultures such as Hirohito for example.
Note: Respect is in "scare quotes" not because I am dismissive of the cultural practice. The opposite is true, I respect the practice and those who choose to follow it; in the same way I respect the religious beliefs of anyone. Respecting those beliefs is not the same as adopting them myself, however. -- Mattinbgn ( talk) 04:33, 27 July 2017 (UTC)
I have expanded the following note to objectively clarify the distinction between usual practice for honorary doctorates, and the unconventional usage (already mentioned in the article) adopted by some in this case.
Avoiding the use of a deceased person's first name is part of grieving practice amongst many Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities. Use of the title "Dr." is apparently based on the
honorary doctorate conferred in 2012 by
The University of Sydney
[1]. However, most universities, including The University of Sydney
[2]
[3], do not endorse the use of "Dr." as a title for holders of honorary doctorates; this is also reflected in the obituary published in the New York Times, which refers to him as Mr. Yunupingu
[4].
—DIV (
120.17.43.127 (
talk) 12:03, 18 August 2017 (UTC))
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I note in the lead section of this article, that it is listed that Dr. G. Yunupingu sung in his native languages, but also in English. It is not noted in the article, but Dr. Yunupingu did not actually speak any English whatsoever, and learned all of the English lyrics he sung, parrot fashion. Where would you add information like this in the existing article context? Would it go in one of the sections which is already present, or would it be added in a "Trivia" section? Dane| Geld 20:27, 10 July 2019 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved. Natg 19 ( talk) 01:22, 25 July 2021 (UTC)
– Move to the common name; as "Geoffrey Gurrumul Yunupingu" is his birth name. See his official website here, his official Spotify, and a Google Search yielding numerous references to him with this name for evidence. Quite frankly, I'm surprised this page has existed at the incorrect name for so long. Sean Stephens ( talk) 13:34, 2 July 2021 (UTC)