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D.O.B=March 11, 1930 -- Randolph 04:08, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A page on the The Tyranny of Distance would be worthwhile (currently a disambig page).
Some text in The Tyranny of Distance (album) should be edited and moved/copied to the appropriate page.-- Singkong2005 02:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The balance of this article is POV in itself. His early career needs fleshing out. His contribution to Tasmanian history, and considerable energies in many directions came well before any of the points in this article so far, it does him a disservice. 139.168.235.1 15:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This article as it stands is a complete distortion of his career and needs to be rewritten (yes, yes, I should do it myself.). Adam 13:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, to say that Blainey is most famous for his anti-immigration rhetoric is dishonest at best. Previous authors have seen it fit to include unreferenced or verifiable information and anecdotes that have no place in an encyclopaedia. I would recommend a complete re-write. So I'll get cracking. Cheerio. Lord Gallahad 05:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Although commentators have linked Hanson's speech and Blainey, a transcript for her maiden speech contains no direct reference to Blainey - see http://www.paulinehanson.com.au/Maiden_Speech.htm . Many Google references link Hanson and Blainey in the same breath but I don't see a ref from Hanson linking herself in any way with Blainey. For example within her site, his name does not appear [1]-- Golden Wattle talk 19:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
A cursory search of Geoffrey Blainey in Google will show that most mainstream commentators, including the Australian Parliament have linked him to radical right-wing politics Aust. Parliament Research Paper. Yet references to this obvious part of his life are being often deleted from information about his career. Wikipedia has never been about censorship in cases where reliable sources support the information.
I contend this information should be included, "He has been a controversial figure too, and according to the Australian parliament is most often associated with radical right-wing politics Parliament Research Paper. Blainey has also been accused of being anti-Asian immigration to Australia, leading to claims of racism. He has been closely aligned with the government of John Howard in Australia, with the Prime Minister shadowing Blainey's conservative views on some issues, especially the view that Australian history has been hijacked by social liberals."
This is not partisan information, but reflects historical facts, as supported by the Australian Parliament. The information is really beyond dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathdefying ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I have come to this discussion late, but I see no reason the information about Blainey being part of the radical right should not be included. To quote from the Australian Parliament [2] report: "Leading historians such as the late Professor Manning Clark and Professor Geoffrey Blainey have become strongly identified with the partisan politics of the liberal left and the radical right respectively." To say this is a "crock of shit" is simply untrue. It is there in black and white. Blainey does not days hide his close association with the right wing fringe. If Wikipedia is to hold any relevance, it should be honest enough to portray history truthfully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.185.178 ( talk) 08:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
"Thats a crock of shit and you know it." A good edit is one that is not based on emotion. It would seem you are so keen to defend Geoffrey Blainey you cannot look at the evidence.
Blainey has been clearly connected to the radical right throughout his career. The Australian parliamentary library no less says he is is a member of "radical right". There is no room for negotiations on this and no confusion. Blainey is a right winger of the most radical kind. He has been his entire career.
You should seek to put aside your personal bias and accept that the great historian cannot, himself, undo history on this point.
Your dismissal of the evidence is akin to denying Lenin was of the left, or that Mussolini was on the extreme right. I would urge you to try and give up your personal agendas for the sake of a legitimate history of this important Australian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathdefying ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Referring to Manning Clark, who became something of a Communist fellow traveler (interestingly he was something of a Nazi sympathizer, or at least apologist until they invaded Denmark and Norway in 1940) as "liberal left" and Blainey as "extreme right" shows more where on the ideological spectrum the person saying it stands. If you're at the south pole, Tasmania and New Zealand, or even Patagonia are the "far north"! Blainey is certainly more conservative than Clark, or Macintyre. But this doesn't make him part of the "extreme right". This really came about after the immigration controversy in 1984, and it was because anyone in public life who questioned either the proportion of Asian immigration or immigration in general was written off as "racist" and "extreme right wing" (hint hint, they're akin to Nazis). Certainly the controversy caused Blainey to be come something of a cause celebre amongst the far right of Australian politics, but there is no evidence to show that he was so involved 'throughout his career' as alleged above. Furthermore the link provided does not say that he is either. It DOES quote him as criticizing the "black armband approach" (he also criticized the "three cheers" approach), and Howard being influenced by him. Just because Hanson was known to be against mass Asian immigration doesn't make her an "associate" of Blainey, and him part of the "extreme right". The ALP, under its far from right wing leader Arthur Calwell (who was more left wing than Whitlam) opposed Asian immigration until less than 20 years prior to Blainey's speech. Does that make Labor part of the "extreme right"? Whitlam himself didn't want to bring in these "yellow blats" from Vietnam as the South fell in 1975. I guess he must be extreme right wing too.
I've taken the liberty of removing some of the clearer POV stuff. If you're going to accuse someone of contributing to bullying of asian children, lets at least have a source for it. Michaeles 05:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates and tables for short stories, poems and/or book reviews. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. Feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 06:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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D.O.B=March 11, 1930 -- Randolph 04:08, 31 Mar 2005 (UTC)
A page on the The Tyranny of Distance would be worthwhile (currently a disambig page).
Some text in The Tyranny of Distance (album) should be edited and moved/copied to the appropriate page.-- Singkong2005 02:50, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
The balance of this article is POV in itself. His early career needs fleshing out. His contribution to Tasmanian history, and considerable energies in many directions came well before any of the points in this article so far, it does him a disservice. 139.168.235.1 15:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
This article as it stands is a complete distortion of his career and needs to be rewritten (yes, yes, I should do it myself.). Adam 13:34, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
I agree, to say that Blainey is most famous for his anti-immigration rhetoric is dishonest at best. Previous authors have seen it fit to include unreferenced or verifiable information and anecdotes that have no place in an encyclopaedia. I would recommend a complete re-write. So I'll get cracking. Cheerio. Lord Gallahad 05:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
Although commentators have linked Hanson's speech and Blainey, a transcript for her maiden speech contains no direct reference to Blainey - see http://www.paulinehanson.com.au/Maiden_Speech.htm . Many Google references link Hanson and Blainey in the same breath but I don't see a ref from Hanson linking herself in any way with Blainey. For example within her site, his name does not appear [1]-- Golden Wattle talk 19:15, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
A cursory search of Geoffrey Blainey in Google will show that most mainstream commentators, including the Australian Parliament have linked him to radical right-wing politics Aust. Parliament Research Paper. Yet references to this obvious part of his life are being often deleted from information about his career. Wikipedia has never been about censorship in cases where reliable sources support the information.
I contend this information should be included, "He has been a controversial figure too, and according to the Australian parliament is most often associated with radical right-wing politics Parliament Research Paper. Blainey has also been accused of being anti-Asian immigration to Australia, leading to claims of racism. He has been closely aligned with the government of John Howard in Australia, with the Prime Minister shadowing Blainey's conservative views on some issues, especially the view that Australian history has been hijacked by social liberals."
This is not partisan information, but reflects historical facts, as supported by the Australian Parliament. The information is really beyond dispute. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathdefying ( talk • contribs) 03:27, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
I have come to this discussion late, but I see no reason the information about Blainey being part of the radical right should not be included. To quote from the Australian Parliament [2] report: "Leading historians such as the late Professor Manning Clark and Professor Geoffrey Blainey have become strongly identified with the partisan politics of the liberal left and the radical right respectively." To say this is a "crock of shit" is simply untrue. It is there in black and white. Blainey does not days hide his close association with the right wing fringe. If Wikipedia is to hold any relevance, it should be honest enough to portray history truthfully. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.153.185.178 ( talk) 08:23, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
"Thats a crock of shit and you know it." A good edit is one that is not based on emotion. It would seem you are so keen to defend Geoffrey Blainey you cannot look at the evidence.
Blainey has been clearly connected to the radical right throughout his career. The Australian parliamentary library no less says he is is a member of "radical right". There is no room for negotiations on this and no confusion. Blainey is a right winger of the most radical kind. He has been his entire career.
You should seek to put aside your personal bias and accept that the great historian cannot, himself, undo history on this point.
Your dismissal of the evidence is akin to denying Lenin was of the left, or that Mussolini was on the extreme right. I would urge you to try and give up your personal agendas for the sake of a legitimate history of this important Australian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathdefying ( talk • contribs) 03:37, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Referring to Manning Clark, who became something of a Communist fellow traveler (interestingly he was something of a Nazi sympathizer, or at least apologist until they invaded Denmark and Norway in 1940) as "liberal left" and Blainey as "extreme right" shows more where on the ideological spectrum the person saying it stands. If you're at the south pole, Tasmania and New Zealand, or even Patagonia are the "far north"! Blainey is certainly more conservative than Clark, or Macintyre. But this doesn't make him part of the "extreme right". This really came about after the immigration controversy in 1984, and it was because anyone in public life who questioned either the proportion of Asian immigration or immigration in general was written off as "racist" and "extreme right wing" (hint hint, they're akin to Nazis). Certainly the controversy caused Blainey to be come something of a cause celebre amongst the far right of Australian politics, but there is no evidence to show that he was so involved 'throughout his career' as alleged above. Furthermore the link provided does not say that he is either. It DOES quote him as criticizing the "black armband approach" (he also criticized the "three cheers" approach), and Howard being influenced by him. Just because Hanson was known to be against mass Asian immigration doesn't make her an "associate" of Blainey, and him part of the "extreme right". The ALP, under its far from right wing leader Arthur Calwell (who was more left wing than Whitlam) opposed Asian immigration until less than 20 years prior to Blainey's speech. Does that make Labor part of the "extreme right"? Whitlam himself didn't want to bring in these "yellow blats" from Vietnam as the South fell in 1975. I guess he must be extreme right wing too.
I've taken the liberty of removing some of the clearer POV stuff. If you're going to accuse someone of contributing to bullying of asian children, lets at least have a source for it. Michaeles 05:17, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates and tables for short stories, poems and/or book reviews. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. Feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 06:52, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
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