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Okay. First, if anybody who's been to The Geniocracy Project's website [1] and thinks their manifesto adds something to the discussion, feel free to put it back: just erring on the side of caution. Second, is anybody really taking this idea seriously other than the Raelians? If so, could there be some references added? If not, could this article possibly be deleted, or otherwise appropriately tagged? As usual, I don't know whether to top-post or bottom-post in *this* discussion. Thanks. Johndodd 20:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't understand Geniocracy as an alternative form of democracy.
It is said that the only people who can vote are those who have an intellectual potential (IP, not the traditionnal IQ or intellectual quotient) above 10 % of the population's average IP: assuming a normal distribution of the IPs among the population, this geniocratic rule denies the 3/4 (75 %) of the population to vote. In the same way, by requiring an IP above 50 % more than the average IP, geniocracy deprieves more than 99 % of the population of the right to run for election. Can we call such a system a democratic one ?
Well you have got two sides here. One could claim that its democratic in the same way as the antique greece was at some point. Only free men where classified as "the people" and so "the people" had the right to vote and it was democracy.
I would say that its an oligarchy, where most political power rests with a small segment of society. Is an oligarchy democratic?, i cant say..., Felix
A number of the people on the geniocracy forum are not in fact Raelians. So there is some interest in the idea outside of the movement. One trend that I have noticed is that Geniocracy, as a political model, is sometimes more accessable to non-Raelians since it's something that they consider more tangible.
As for the argument of democracy, it does boil down to semantics. It is recognised that common parlance of the term democracy is almost synonymous with universal franchise. However, it should also be recognised that universal franchise is not the only quality to be identified with the concept. As a compromise we use further definitions such as "selective democracy", rather than "universal democracy".
Angelus Michaels
The immigration rallies walk outs and strikes that are schuduled to take place all across the United States today May 1, 2006 are a sign that the ideals of geniocracy are being embraced by the massses. Do not make the mistake of thinking that marxists and other lefitsts are for democratic one world government, they would actually call that U.S. imperialism. If Mexico for example, was governed by the same laws as the US and borders were not around anymore allowing everyone who wants to travel anywhere, leftists would continue calling for nationalist solutions. Geniocracy would aim to work within the Democratic structure in order to improve the situation for all people through humanitarian technological means. Once there is a Democratic world revolution the current problem of racism will eventually disappear and pave the way for all people to unite and fight for revolutionary changes in society.
Roman Shusterman No Police State Coalition
So other than propaganda do you have anything to contribute? Lostsocks 23:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is this part of the religion WikiProject? It should be in politics. -- 68.151.33.139 06:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Something tells me an article about the world being run by geniuses shouldn't say they should be above the "average mean." It's a repeating redundancy in its complete entirety. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.161.227 ( talk) 21:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Have there been any serious proposals for rule by the smart that doesn't involve pie in the sky world governmen? Any organizations that use it? It sounds great to me. User:Stargate70 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.101.15 ( talk) 05:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The main cause of the Schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims was the battle between Meritocracy (Sunni) and Nepotism (Shia). Look up their respective articles on Wikipedia for more info.
I would also like to add that this article discusses Geniocracy merely from Rael's point of view, and not a secular point of view. Arguably, there haven't been any books or papers on the subject by secular philosophers and political theorists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.73.138 ( talk) 22:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be Plato's Philosopher kings re-labelled for a bit of ego boosting. Should this be merged as a minor section of Republic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.223.213 ( talk) 22:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
So that this Wikipedia entry is unbiased, and the concept itself can be more robust, a 'Criticism" section is necessary. -- Afam1986 ( talk) 05:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)
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Okay. First, if anybody who's been to The Geniocracy Project's website [1] and thinks their manifesto adds something to the discussion, feel free to put it back: just erring on the side of caution. Second, is anybody really taking this idea seriously other than the Raelians? If so, could there be some references added? If not, could this article possibly be deleted, or otherwise appropriately tagged? As usual, I don't know whether to top-post or bottom-post in *this* discussion. Thanks. Johndodd 20:40, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
I don't understand Geniocracy as an alternative form of democracy.
It is said that the only people who can vote are those who have an intellectual potential (IP, not the traditionnal IQ or intellectual quotient) above 10 % of the population's average IP: assuming a normal distribution of the IPs among the population, this geniocratic rule denies the 3/4 (75 %) of the population to vote. In the same way, by requiring an IP above 50 % more than the average IP, geniocracy deprieves more than 99 % of the population of the right to run for election. Can we call such a system a democratic one ?
Well you have got two sides here. One could claim that its democratic in the same way as the antique greece was at some point. Only free men where classified as "the people" and so "the people" had the right to vote and it was democracy.
I would say that its an oligarchy, where most political power rests with a small segment of society. Is an oligarchy democratic?, i cant say..., Felix
A number of the people on the geniocracy forum are not in fact Raelians. So there is some interest in the idea outside of the movement. One trend that I have noticed is that Geniocracy, as a political model, is sometimes more accessable to non-Raelians since it's something that they consider more tangible.
As for the argument of democracy, it does boil down to semantics. It is recognised that common parlance of the term democracy is almost synonymous with universal franchise. However, it should also be recognised that universal franchise is not the only quality to be identified with the concept. As a compromise we use further definitions such as "selective democracy", rather than "universal democracy".
Angelus Michaels
The immigration rallies walk outs and strikes that are schuduled to take place all across the United States today May 1, 2006 are a sign that the ideals of geniocracy are being embraced by the massses. Do not make the mistake of thinking that marxists and other lefitsts are for democratic one world government, they would actually call that U.S. imperialism. If Mexico for example, was governed by the same laws as the US and borders were not around anymore allowing everyone who wants to travel anywhere, leftists would continue calling for nationalist solutions. Geniocracy would aim to work within the Democratic structure in order to improve the situation for all people through humanitarian technological means. Once there is a Democratic world revolution the current problem of racism will eventually disappear and pave the way for all people to unite and fight for revolutionary changes in society.
Roman Shusterman No Police State Coalition
So other than propaganda do you have anything to contribute? Lostsocks 23:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Why is this part of the religion WikiProject? It should be in politics. -- 68.151.33.139 06:05, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
Something tells me an article about the world being run by geniuses shouldn't say they should be above the "average mean." It's a repeating redundancy in its complete entirety. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.192.161.227 ( talk) 21:39, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Have there been any serious proposals for rule by the smart that doesn't involve pie in the sky world governmen? Any organizations that use it? It sounds great to me. User:Stargate70 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.86.101.15 ( talk) 05:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
The main cause of the Schism between Sunni and Shia Muslims was the battle between Meritocracy (Sunni) and Nepotism (Shia). Look up their respective articles on Wikipedia for more info.
I would also like to add that this article discusses Geniocracy merely from Rael's point of view, and not a secular point of view. Arguably, there haven't been any books or papers on the subject by secular philosophers and political theorists. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.205.73.138 ( talk) 22:02, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be Plato's Philosopher kings re-labelled for a bit of ego boosting. Should this be merged as a minor section of Republic? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.223.213 ( talk) 22:15, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
So that this Wikipedia entry is unbiased, and the concept itself can be more robust, a 'Criticism" section is necessary. -- Afam1986 ( talk) 05:02, 24 March 2019 (UTC)