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Here was the discussion. Sr13 09:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to focus slightly too much on Christian perspectives over others. A small amount of cleanup could fix this. -- Alynna 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I note someone removed the reference to the discussion of the Unborn Child Protection bill in the NSW parliament. If you wish to delete sourced material, please discuss this on the talk page first.
If you would like to argue that abortion is not a gender issue, I'm very happy to think that through with you, gather sources and document what we find in the article. You may very well persuade me, in which case we can work together to do the hard work of removing discussions of abortion from other gender related articles.
Perhaps it's the combination of gender with religion that means abortion is no longer relevant. That seems a little odd, but if Child Protection is a community issue, Unborn Child Protection is too, so I can see a point in that. We need to give wider coverage to the idea in a larger article and this one can simply refer to it. Please point us to where the discussion is already documented, if it doesn't yet exist, we can write it up. Cheers. Alastair Haines ( talk) 08:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The 1st section looks very much like it, arguing for interpretations of scriptures. Peter jackson ( talk) 14:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Pierre Chaunu also contends that the very recognition of women as full fledge human beings depends on moral and ethical categories that derive ultimately from the Bible. He points out, for example, in his book Foi et histoire (Faith
and History, 1980), that it is only in those cultures where the biblical text and Christianity have had some long term influence, that the status of women has gradually improved from that of property and progenitor to that of a full human being, equal to man. In cultures where the biblical text has not had any significant impact, women are regarded as property whose main purpose is to produce children. In such cultures, women are married as soon as they are able to procreate, they have little or no access to formal education, and they are allowed little self-determination. The main reason behind this social transformation is fundamentally linked to a statement found in Genesis 1:27: “God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” This text affirms the intrinsic dignity of both men and women regardless of their gender or social status. This is in stark contrast to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia where the value of human beings was primarily determined on the basis of their social standing. |
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— Pierre Gilbert, "How the Bible Shapes Our World" |
I note that a modern spiritual movement, with about 2 million members, is cited as the largest with a woman as founder. This may be true, however, it crossed my mind that Ellen White is considered a prophet by Seventh Day Adventists (SDA), and they number 15 million or so, with a hundred years of history. Ellen is also considered to be one of the founders of SDA. Interestingly, I suspect SDA is explicitly patriarchal, at least in traditional forms of its church government. Alastair Haines ( talk) 02:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Background: This section has been inserted by Alastair Haines, and removed by me (Alynna Kasmira) several times. In Alastair's latest addition of the section (reverting my removal of it) he says "attempt consensus on talk page". Since he has not attempted consensus on the talk page, I must assume he wishes me to attempt consensus on the talk page.
I do not think this section belongs in this article. If detailed analysis of Hebrew in Genesis belonged anywhere, it would go in Gender and Judaism. It is far too specific for this article, which is written in summary style. -- Alynna ( talk) 01:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Role of women in religion has had a merge tag for months, but no discussion has taken place yet. So, here's my rationale in support of the merge: that article is currently a list of links to articles concerning women in religion. Most of those links would fit into this article. Anything about women and religion falls under "gender and religion". -- Alynna ( talk) 01:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Please, could we work together on this section?
I see you repeatedly adding your analysis of Genesis 1 to the top and relegating everything else to "other accounts". I then have to re-merge the sections. It's annoying. Genesis 1 is one, arguably the most notable one, of the accounts where men and women have equal standing. Anything about it should go in that paragraph. It is one of many creation myths. It is one of several very well-known creation myths.
Also, the term "creation myth" is NPOV. That's why you'll find the article creation myth at that title instead of at "creation story" or "creation narrative". It's not an insult to call them myths. It's just what scholars call them.
Finally, your opinions about the article are not more important than mine. Just because you wrote the analysis of Genesis 1 a long time ago doesn't mean it has a right to be in the article. And seriously, if you can't make it fit in with the other text instead of in its own section, maybe it's too long. -- Alynna ( talk) 16:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
The Feminism and religion section has too many questioned items. Unsourced items need to be improved with additional citations or deleted. Without reliable sources, it appears to be either a synthesis or original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telpardec ( talk • contribs) 16:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I didn't mean secular religious leadership, but that some religions ban females from taking non-religious leadership roles liking by CEO's or headteachers. 89.242.141.6 ( talk) 19:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved with consensus ( non-admin closure) — Andy W. ( talk) 01:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Sex differences in religion → Gender and religion – This article was originally titled "Gender and religion", but was moved (without discussion) to "Sex differences in religion" in order to conform with all the "Sex differences in..." articles. The problem is that all the other "Sex differences in..." articles are about differences between men and women with regard to a particular topic, such as Sex differences in memory, Sex differences in schizophrenia, etc. This article has nothing to do with differences between men and women. It's about how the topic of gender is handled in various religions. The original title was much more appropriate, IMO. Kaldari ( talk) 19:55, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I added this section because I feel for a page about gender and religion, it should also include both non-binary identities (which I intend to add if there is sufficient research on the subject) as well as transgender people. I have contributed information about Paganism/Neo-Paganism, but I would love to see other religions touched on as well-- I'm just trying to focus on adding Paganism to the article as a whole at the moment. Please let me know if you see any issues with this addition. Kaede Sonin ( talk) 04:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I intend on adding another new section for the relation of culture to religious practice and adding information about Greco-Roman Paganism within that section. It will include specific deities of importance to women such as Aphrodite and Demeter as well as the perpetration of gender roles (i.e. forced marriages for women and the association of women with fertility and submission) through certain rituals and practices. My main source for this includes Her Share of the Blessings by Kraemer which is a culmination of various scholarly sources about worship within Greco-Roman Paganism, Christianity, and Judaism. Kaede Sonin ( talk) 05:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
This article was in bad shape. I have cleaned it up a bit, and I would say it has now reached mediocrity. There is some poorly sourced material, and there is a good deal of unsourced material. SunCrow ( talk) 00:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
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Here was the discussion. Sr13 09:01, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
This article seems to focus slightly too much on Christian perspectives over others. A small amount of cleanup could fix this. -- Alynna 14:35, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I note someone removed the reference to the discussion of the Unborn Child Protection bill in the NSW parliament. If you wish to delete sourced material, please discuss this on the talk page first.
If you would like to argue that abortion is not a gender issue, I'm very happy to think that through with you, gather sources and document what we find in the article. You may very well persuade me, in which case we can work together to do the hard work of removing discussions of abortion from other gender related articles.
Perhaps it's the combination of gender with religion that means abortion is no longer relevant. That seems a little odd, but if Child Protection is a community issue, Unborn Child Protection is too, so I can see a point in that. We need to give wider coverage to the idea in a larger article and this one can simply refer to it. Please point us to where the discussion is already documented, if it doesn't yet exist, we can write it up. Cheers. Alastair Haines ( talk) 08:40, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
The 1st section looks very much like it, arguing for interpretations of scriptures. Peter jackson ( talk) 14:51, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
“ | Pierre Chaunu also contends that the very recognition of women as full fledge human beings depends on moral and ethical categories that derive ultimately from the Bible. He points out, for example, in his book Foi et histoire (Faith
and History, 1980), that it is only in those cultures where the biblical text and Christianity have had some long term influence, that the status of women has gradually improved from that of property and progenitor to that of a full human being, equal to man. In cultures where the biblical text has not had any significant impact, women are regarded as property whose main purpose is to produce children. In such cultures, women are married as soon as they are able to procreate, they have little or no access to formal education, and they are allowed little self-determination. The main reason behind this social transformation is fundamentally linked to a statement found in Genesis 1:27: “God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.” This text affirms the intrinsic dignity of both men and women regardless of their gender or social status. This is in stark contrast to ancient Egypt and Mesopotamia where the value of human beings was primarily determined on the basis of their social standing. |
” |
— Pierre Gilbert, "How the Bible Shapes Our World" |
I note that a modern spiritual movement, with about 2 million members, is cited as the largest with a woman as founder. This may be true, however, it crossed my mind that Ellen White is considered a prophet by Seventh Day Adventists (SDA), and they number 15 million or so, with a hundred years of history. Ellen is also considered to be one of the founders of SDA. Interestingly, I suspect SDA is explicitly patriarchal, at least in traditional forms of its church government. Alastair Haines ( talk) 02:40, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Background: This section has been inserted by Alastair Haines, and removed by me (Alynna Kasmira) several times. In Alastair's latest addition of the section (reverting my removal of it) he says "attempt consensus on talk page". Since he has not attempted consensus on the talk page, I must assume he wishes me to attempt consensus on the talk page.
I do not think this section belongs in this article. If detailed analysis of Hebrew in Genesis belonged anywhere, it would go in Gender and Judaism. It is far too specific for this article, which is written in summary style. -- Alynna ( talk) 01:24, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Role of women in religion has had a merge tag for months, but no discussion has taken place yet. So, here's my rationale in support of the merge: that article is currently a list of links to articles concerning women in religion. Most of those links would fit into this article. Anything about women and religion falls under "gender and religion". -- Alynna ( talk) 01:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Please, could we work together on this section?
I see you repeatedly adding your analysis of Genesis 1 to the top and relegating everything else to "other accounts". I then have to re-merge the sections. It's annoying. Genesis 1 is one, arguably the most notable one, of the accounts where men and women have equal standing. Anything about it should go in that paragraph. It is one of many creation myths. It is one of several very well-known creation myths.
Also, the term "creation myth" is NPOV. That's why you'll find the article creation myth at that title instead of at "creation story" or "creation narrative". It's not an insult to call them myths. It's just what scholars call them.
Finally, your opinions about the article are not more important than mine. Just because you wrote the analysis of Genesis 1 a long time ago doesn't mean it has a right to be in the article. And seriously, if you can't make it fit in with the other text instead of in its own section, maybe it's too long. -- Alynna ( talk) 16:02, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
The Feminism and religion section has too many questioned items. Unsourced items need to be improved with additional citations or deleted. Without reliable sources, it appears to be either a synthesis or original research. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Telpardec ( talk • contribs) 16:32, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
I didn't mean secular religious leadership, but that some religions ban females from taking non-religious leadership roles liking by CEO's or headteachers. 89.242.141.6 ( talk) 19:33, 7 April 2016 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved with consensus ( non-admin closure) — Andy W. ( talk) 01:19, 10 November 2016 (UTC)
Sex differences in religion → Gender and religion – This article was originally titled "Gender and religion", but was moved (without discussion) to "Sex differences in religion" in order to conform with all the "Sex differences in..." articles. The problem is that all the other "Sex differences in..." articles are about differences between men and women with regard to a particular topic, such as Sex differences in memory, Sex differences in schizophrenia, etc. This article has nothing to do with differences between men and women. It's about how the topic of gender is handled in various religions. The original title was much more appropriate, IMO. Kaldari ( talk) 19:55, 1 November 2016 (UTC)
I added this section because I feel for a page about gender and religion, it should also include both non-binary identities (which I intend to add if there is sufficient research on the subject) as well as transgender people. I have contributed information about Paganism/Neo-Paganism, but I would love to see other religions touched on as well-- I'm just trying to focus on adding Paganism to the article as a whole at the moment. Please let me know if you see any issues with this addition. Kaede Sonin ( talk) 04:52, 27 September 2018 (UTC)
I intend on adding another new section for the relation of culture to religious practice and adding information about Greco-Roman Paganism within that section. It will include specific deities of importance to women such as Aphrodite and Demeter as well as the perpetration of gender roles (i.e. forced marriages for women and the association of women with fertility and submission) through certain rituals and practices. My main source for this includes Her Share of the Blessings by Kraemer which is a culmination of various scholarly sources about worship within Greco-Roman Paganism, Christianity, and Judaism. Kaede Sonin ( talk) 05:30, 11 October 2018 (UTC)
This article was in bad shape. I have cleaned it up a bit, and I would say it has now reached mediocrity. There is some poorly sourced material, and there is a good deal of unsourced material. SunCrow ( talk) 00:35, 14 October 2019 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 20 August 2022 and 9 December 2022. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): AL43521 ( article contribs). Peer reviewers: AriBerry501.
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