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I think this page should include something on when Gebra Maskal Lalibela's reign was. There is only one date in the text (1210) and that may not be from his reign. Also the names should be re-investigated as the Europeans seemed to struggle with them i.e Ngoni became Nguni which makes it hard to connect the Amangoni people to the whole of this new Nguni history. The name BEGWENA is derived from Ba-ko-ena meaning they are with him/her in Sotho. Although they are far apart the peoples of the african continent have a language that is similar if you are well versed in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.21.176.70 ( talk) 12:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
On march 19 2017 21:12 Revionism took place on this page that deviates from the accepted norm.
Here is the diff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Lalibela_(Emperor_of_Ethiopia)&diff=771150046&oldid=771135271
There are no credible sources provided that links the Churches of Lalibela to the Late Aksumite period. 2A02:A466:1107:1:8561:3D64:FBBE:D5BD ( talk) 08:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@ The Supermind: Noticing your last edit [1] copying the dates from the lede to the infobox. Please note my commend directly above. My point is that the source does not support those dates. The dates were inserted into the article with this edit [2] which adds two sources. The Taddesse Tamrat source [3] on page 56 (I'm guessing "56n" means footnote on that page) does not mention dates for his reign, nor his birth. I have scanned prior to page 56 and up through page 62+. I have been unable to locate a source for the other citation. It would be nice to know where those dates came from. Platonk ( talk) 05:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Regarding my edits, here are sources off the top of my head for the more recent scholarship on the possible late Aksumite origin of the Lalibela churches:
Hope this is helpful, and my apologies for having not included them previously.-- Varavour ( talk) 19:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
I found an online version of the Taddesse Tamrat book and updated the citation so readers can find it at Open Library. I tried to verify the page numbers that were already mentioned in this article, but I was unable to decipher it well enough. (History is not my forté.) Lalibela is mentioned in the index with all the page numbers, and I was able to verify some of the content concepts, but updating the page numbers was beyond my ability today. If anyone else would like to tackle it, please do. Platonk ( talk) 10:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
The original statement in Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) § Biography section says that "...which his mother took as a sign of his future reign as Emperor of Ethiopia." I cannot understand whether emperorship is permitted in Zagwe dynasty, indeed it is a kingdom. Please share decisive comments regarding this issue here. Regards!
...And I founded that Britannica gives his title and all Zagwe's monarchs "emperor". The Supermind ( talk) 16:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) be
renamed and moved to
Lalibela (King of Zagwe dynasty).
result: Move logs:
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Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) → Lalibela (King of Zagwe dynasty) – I've so confused whether the title been Emperor or King, but some editors applied for king of Zagwe dynasty because the title "Emperor" officially began since Solomonic dynasty in 1270. Therefore we can say Yekuno Amlak as Emperor. The Supermind ( talk) 16:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Lalibela history 196.188.33.72 ( talk) 17:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Gebrehiwot chekole: the source Hassen is verified, and refers to Sergew Hable Selassie page 265. i got this source thanks to the efforts of WP:WRE back in 2021, see diff [ [9]]. I'll come back later to with a quote to supplement Hassen source with Sergew Hable Selassie. I also have Tadesse Tamrat book, and will also verify your addition [ [10]]. Dawit S Gondaria ( talk) 09:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Lalibela, faced with continued persecution by Harbe, allied himself with the Amhara. His intention was to wage war against Harbe and to ensure their support, he promised them key positions if he succeeded in occupying the throne. Delighted with this promise, the Amhara agreed to join forces with him. Harbe, for his part, rallied behind him the seven clans of the Agaw people. In the ensuing battle Lalibela was victorious and claimed power. [2] Dawit S Gondaria ( talk) 16:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
References
Dawit S Gondaria ( talk) 09:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
This
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A fact from Gebre Meskel Lalibela appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 17 October 2005. The text of the entry was as follows:
|
WikiProject Biography Summer 2007 Assessment Drive
The article may be improved by following the WikiProject Biography 11 easy steps to producing at least a B article. -- Yamara 08:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
I think this page should include something on when Gebra Maskal Lalibela's reign was. There is only one date in the text (1210) and that may not be from his reign. Also the names should be re-investigated as the Europeans seemed to struggle with them i.e Ngoni became Nguni which makes it hard to connect the Amangoni people to the whole of this new Nguni history. The name BEGWENA is derived from Ba-ko-ena meaning they are with him/her in Sotho. Although they are far apart the peoples of the african continent have a language that is similar if you are well versed in it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.21.176.70 ( talk) 12:42, 29 October 2019 (UTC)
On march 19 2017 21:12 Revionism took place on this page that deviates from the accepted norm.
Here is the diff:
https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Lalibela_(Emperor_of_Ethiopia)&diff=771150046&oldid=771135271
There are no credible sources provided that links the Churches of Lalibela to the Late Aksumite period. 2A02:A466:1107:1:8561:3D64:FBBE:D5BD ( talk) 08:24, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
@ The Supermind: Noticing your last edit [1] copying the dates from the lede to the infobox. Please note my commend directly above. My point is that the source does not support those dates. The dates were inserted into the article with this edit [2] which adds two sources. The Taddesse Tamrat source [3] on page 56 (I'm guessing "56n" means footnote on that page) does not mention dates for his reign, nor his birth. I have scanned prior to page 56 and up through page 62+. I have been unable to locate a source for the other citation. It would be nice to know where those dates came from. Platonk ( talk) 05:48, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Regarding my edits, here are sources off the top of my head for the more recent scholarship on the possible late Aksumite origin of the Lalibela churches:
Hope this is helpful, and my apologies for having not included them previously.-- Varavour ( talk) 19:39, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
I found an online version of the Taddesse Tamrat book and updated the citation so readers can find it at Open Library. I tried to verify the page numbers that were already mentioned in this article, but I was unable to decipher it well enough. (History is not my forté.) Lalibela is mentioned in the index with all the page numbers, and I was able to verify some of the content concepts, but updating the page numbers was beyond my ability today. If anyone else would like to tackle it, please do. Platonk ( talk) 10:16, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
The original statement in Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) § Biography section says that "...which his mother took as a sign of his future reign as Emperor of Ethiopia." I cannot understand whether emperorship is permitted in Zagwe dynasty, indeed it is a kingdom. Please share decisive comments regarding this issue here. Regards!
...And I founded that Britannica gives his title and all Zagwe's monarchs "emperor". The Supermind ( talk) 16:42, 11 January 2022 (UTC)
It was proposed in this section that
Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) be
renamed and moved to
Lalibela (King of Zagwe dynasty).
result: Move logs:
current title ·
target title
This is template {{
subst:Requested move/end}} |
Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia) → Lalibela (King of Zagwe dynasty) – I've so confused whether the title been Emperor or King, but some editors applied for king of Zagwe dynasty because the title "Emperor" officially began since Solomonic dynasty in 1270. Therefore we can say Yekuno Amlak as Emperor. The Supermind ( talk) 16:54, 28 March 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ ( talk) 06:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
Lalibela history 196.188.33.72 ( talk) 17:24, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
@ Gebrehiwot chekole: the source Hassen is verified, and refers to Sergew Hable Selassie page 265. i got this source thanks to the efforts of WP:WRE back in 2021, see diff [ [9]]. I'll come back later to with a quote to supplement Hassen source with Sergew Hable Selassie. I also have Tadesse Tamrat book, and will also verify your addition [ [10]]. Dawit S Gondaria ( talk) 09:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
Lalibela, faced with continued persecution by Harbe, allied himself with the Amhara. His intention was to wage war against Harbe and to ensure their support, he promised them key positions if he succeeded in occupying the throne. Delighted with this promise, the Amhara agreed to join forces with him. Harbe, for his part, rallied behind him the seven clans of the Agaw people. In the ensuing battle Lalibela was victorious and claimed power. [2] Dawit S Gondaria ( talk) 16:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)
References
Dawit S Gondaria ( talk) 09:38, 21 January 2023 (UTC)