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Hello Vami_IV. Yesterday, you left a message "This exact draft just failed at draft, and would fail GNG. Draftspace exists for a reason, and this article was already a redirect for a reason." and returned the article to the previous state. But I would like to make an appeal for the changes that i made.
First, I assume the failed draft you are talking about was the draft that I made on Gawr Gura somewhere in the middle of December. That was a completely different draft that I made from scratch and wrote, and researched on my own. It didn't have a good structure, and was lacking the very important secondary sources it needed. And understandably it was declined, but the newer one I made on 3 January 2021 was a translation of an already existing article from the JP wikipedia page of Gawr Gura. It had all the right structures, and most importantly plenty of secondary sources. So this is actually a completely different draft from the previous draft I made.
Second, I may be naive in challenging a wikipedia expert especially since I'm pretty new to the scene but, I would like to disagree on the claims that this topic wouldn't pass the General notability guidelines. Plenty of reliable secondary sources have reported on this subject such as crunchyroll, and even WIRED magazine has given some coverage too. Vtubers have now already hit the mainstream media, and even Mr.Beast's 2020 youtube rewind also gave some runtime to show a vtuber. So I think people who would want to know about vtubers would like to know about the fastest growing vtuber yet.
Third, I'm still new here, can you help me with how the draftspace works? What will happen to the redirect article if i make a new draft and it gets accepted? Can you even make a draftspace of an article that already exists?
Lastly, Perhaps the reason on why the article was already a redirect was because nobody wanted to go through the hassle of making a new article and just made it redirect because it was easier. Or maybe the subject wasn't notable enough during that time. I checked the history on when the redirect was made, and it was only 1 month after Gawr Gura was announced. It has now been more than 3 months, and I thik that this subject should be notable enough to make an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Too Much Distractions ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Oops i forgot to mention an user u gotta sign on the same line
User:Vami_IV
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I think most of the issues in these tags have been solved. The existing sources confirm notability (there is also some systemic bias involved, because things that are well-known through the internet exclusively are usually underserved by traditionally reliable sources. It doesn't really seem to have a fan's perspective, and the discussion made little specific guidance. The only thing I'm wondering about is "intricate detail" and "reliable sources". For example, the "A" thing, I'm not sure about that. It's objectively well known online, but that doesn't necessarily translate into Wikipedia coverage easily. I can't speak or read Japanese so I'm unsure about the source for it. In addition, Hololive has lots of little quirks like this and I don't know if wr should cover them all. Maybe it would be best to reduce this section to a single sentence. Nicknames should probably go too.-- Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 21:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Sparkl:, what do you think is like a fan wiki? I personally don't see that, it's more of an overdetail thing I thought.-- Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 07:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Question: Did she really buy her clothes in Japan? Her official bio doesn't really have a specific location. 136.158.27.90 ( talk) 08:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Can anybody get a source for the exact sound of the “a”? It’s stated in the article to be an open central unrounded vowel, but it sounds a little more fronted to me. It even sounds a little like [ʔaʔ] to me.
But never mind that, is the exact sound of the “a” even relevant? 213.220.123.4 ( talk) 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Can someone make create a page about senzawa? TheMaggster ( talk) 03:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | This article contains a translation of がうる・ぐら from ja.wikipedia. |
Hello Vami_IV. Yesterday, you left a message "This exact draft just failed at draft, and would fail GNG. Draftspace exists for a reason, and this article was already a redirect for a reason." and returned the article to the previous state. But I would like to make an appeal for the changes that i made.
First, I assume the failed draft you are talking about was the draft that I made on Gawr Gura somewhere in the middle of December. That was a completely different draft that I made from scratch and wrote, and researched on my own. It didn't have a good structure, and was lacking the very important secondary sources it needed. And understandably it was declined, but the newer one I made on 3 January 2021 was a translation of an already existing article from the JP wikipedia page of Gawr Gura. It had all the right structures, and most importantly plenty of secondary sources. So this is actually a completely different draft from the previous draft I made.
Second, I may be naive in challenging a wikipedia expert especially since I'm pretty new to the scene but, I would like to disagree on the claims that this topic wouldn't pass the General notability guidelines. Plenty of reliable secondary sources have reported on this subject such as crunchyroll, and even WIRED magazine has given some coverage too. Vtubers have now already hit the mainstream media, and even Mr.Beast's 2020 youtube rewind also gave some runtime to show a vtuber. So I think people who would want to know about vtubers would like to know about the fastest growing vtuber yet.
Third, I'm still new here, can you help me with how the draftspace works? What will happen to the redirect article if i make a new draft and it gets accepted? Can you even make a draftspace of an article that already exists?
Lastly, Perhaps the reason on why the article was already a redirect was because nobody wanted to go through the hassle of making a new article and just made it redirect because it was easier. Or maybe the subject wasn't notable enough during that time. I checked the history on when the redirect was made, and it was only 1 month after Gawr Gura was announced. It has now been more than 3 months, and I thik that this subject should be notable enough to make an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Too Much Distractions ( talk • contribs) 04:29, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Oops i forgot to mention an user u gotta sign on the same line
User:Vami_IV
Too Much Distractions (
talk)
16:42, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I think most of the issues in these tags have been solved. The existing sources confirm notability (there is also some systemic bias involved, because things that are well-known through the internet exclusively are usually underserved by traditionally reliable sources. It doesn't really seem to have a fan's perspective, and the discussion made little specific guidance. The only thing I'm wondering about is "intricate detail" and "reliable sources". For example, the "A" thing, I'm not sure about that. It's objectively well known online, but that doesn't necessarily translate into Wikipedia coverage easily. I can't speak or read Japanese so I'm unsure about the source for it. In addition, Hololive has lots of little quirks like this and I don't know if wr should cover them all. Maybe it would be best to reduce this section to a single sentence. Nicknames should probably go too.-- Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 21:02, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
@ Sparkl:, what do you think is like a fan wiki? I personally don't see that, it's more of an overdetail thing I thought.-- Yellow Diamond Δ Direct Line to the Diamonds 07:12, 18 May 2022 (UTC)
Question: Did she really buy her clothes in Japan? Her official bio doesn't really have a specific location. 136.158.27.90 ( talk) 08:52, 3 June 2022 (UTC)
Can anybody get a source for the exact sound of the “a”? It’s stated in the article to be an open central unrounded vowel, but it sounds a little more fronted to me. It even sounds a little like [ʔaʔ] to me.
But never mind that, is the exact sound of the “a” even relevant? 213.220.123.4 ( talk) 12:29, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Can someone make create a page about senzawa? TheMaggster ( talk) 03:08, 19 May 2023 (UTC)