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That's according to animal planet. Here's the video:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.130.141.70 ( talk) 06:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
All the information on websites about gaur size is bullshit!!! Gaur bull 600 - 1000 kg, cow 450 - 800 kg. Give me a break!!! No water buffalo 1.7m tall weighs less than 1000 kg, and they lack the muscular and deep massive body of the gaur. These sites are more than willing to say a gaur can weigh "up to" a ton, and water buffalo: 1200 kg, and they call themselves wild cattle experts. It's an insult to the gaur. All of those sites have serious problems, never do their homework. Men, even a banteng bull 1.6m already weighs 800 kg, and they expect people to believe a 1.9m gaur weighed the same???
I'm removing the addition "The gaur is the third largest of all wild cattle, after the Yak, and the Cape Buffalo; however, it is bigger even than the Wild Asiatic Water Buffalo and Bison." As far as I know the Water Buffalo & the Gaur are the only two wild cattle to average at a weight in excess of 1,500 lb. (Unsigned comment by User:Sandhillcrane)
I was born in Sabah, North Borneo and i grew up hearing stories from my dad and grandpa telling me of this beast that is bigger and more aggressive than a water buffalo but looks like a cow that every now and then someone shoots one on a hunting trip (My family are native of Borneo and it is tradition to hunt deer and wild boar). I had never seen one and i never knew what its name in english is. But i have only known it as "Tambadau". If this is the same animal then it definately does exist. For i have seen with my own eyes its fresh tracks and huge droppings that are definately not water buffallo tracks.
One story from a friend was when he went hunting in the jungle by himself he came across a whole pack/herd of these animals known to us as Tambadau and he was undetected by the pack. Because he was unexperienced and young he aimed with his shotgun loaded with a buck shot and shot one of the Tambadau that was laying on the ground directly in the face (he should have aimed for the breast/armpit area under the leg). The Tambadau got up and charged towards him, then started bashing its head into nearby hill-wall trying to get the buck shot pellets out. My friend dropped his gun and ran and never saw the beast again.
I really wonder if this is the animal we call Tambadau. It meets all the descriptions.
-- Jandela 16:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
There are no gaurs in Borneo, but banteng does exist there.
Belsavis 6 Apr 2009 —Preceding
undated comment added
10:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC).
Can a biologist please have a look at this article? -- JeLuF 10:45 Oct 6, 2002 (UTC)
I gather that Bos Gavaeus is another obsolete name? I created a redirect, but don't dare to mention the name here. dab (ᛏ) 08:19, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I can believe that gaur have eaten chickens.
And I can believe that gaur have killed farmers.
But I refuse to believe that gaur have eaten humans. DS 22:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm doing a high school research report on what people consider being a "cow.” Many people in my interview said that a "cow" has horns, are big and moo. I know a Gaur has horns, are big and looks like what most North Americans consider a "cow" but does it make a "mooing" noise? Yes, they do make a mooing noise. I live in a town called Masenagudi where you see gaur in numbers of 20 or more at all times. They make a moo like noise, loud snorting noise which is blaring and another yelp like noise calling out to the herd or a mating partner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.122.251 ( talk) 07:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who knows add it to the page?
The 2nd picture added to the end of the page is not a guar, but a banteng bull. A gaur is not that small, and lacks the white patches on its rumps. True, the image labels gaur, but many people can tell that it's a banteng bull. So, any idea?
The article had made claims of average weights to 1500 kg and a record weight of 1700 kg from Vietnam in 2003. I was not able to find sources for these extremes and added sourced average weights that are somewhat lower. Can anyone find references for the previous claims? Rmhermen 13:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Good questions. Some china website has information on the weight of 1500 kg. About the 1700kg, that inf was written on this web site: www.vnexpress.net. But unluckily, this inf is in Vietnamese, so I'm quite unsure if it's worthwhile mentioning the site at all. But the 1500kg inf is in English, quite a relief. just type in google: gaur + 1500 kg, and u will get to the site. One more thing: 1500kg is not an average, but rather a quite heavy weight for the gaur.
Is there any backing for this "name"? Is it just me, or does this scream "vandal!" Very sorry if it really is a local name. 66.42.173.205 22:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC) It is a local name for wild bison in tamil. Another name is Kattuerumu.
Can someone please check to see if gaurs actually shun otters, as stated in the Ecology and Behavior section, or if that needs to be corrected?
Actually shun here only means the gaur, on seeing an otter underwater, just moves elsewhere( gaur sometimes goes into river to bath), perhaps it doesn't like the presence of the otter nearby, the same for elephant on seeing a water buffalo in the vicinity. Nothing sensational here, but the word.
This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Tiger and gaur face to face, contemplating each other. What are they thinking? What will they do?
http://www.indianaturewatch.net/displayimage.php?id=5352 // —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.88.245.41 ( talk) 08:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
Southeast asian gaur is larger than indian gaur, which is already very large.
I seriously doubt this information about Indian gaur being smaller than the south east asian gaur. Normally for all large mammals (eg. tigers, elephants, sambars etc) the Indian subspecies are larger than their south east asian counterparts. It seems unlikely that gaurs would be any different. Please submit proof about this claim
The largest of all wild cattles and the largest of all domestic cattles, which one is larger? Anyone knows?
There is NO EVIDENCE of tiger killing a fully grown Gaur!
A huge bull Gaur outweights a huge bull holsen fresian.
Tiger's can kill a fully grown bull if they manage to grab a hold of the neck, but the chances of being able to is remote. A lioness can kill a fully grown bull cape buffalo if it manages to block its windpipe.
Actually, Bubalus arnee can defend iteself from tigers more effectively than Gaurs can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.77.55 ( talk) 00:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC) Based on what kind of info and source of info have you arrived at this conclusion??
Does anyone know the sources for the subspecies in this article? I would like to include them in the german wiki.-- Altaileopard 17:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC) There are a lot of sites talking about gaur subspecies, you just use the keywords to search. But about their size, none of them mention, save for a printed journal published by the Bombay national history society of India, which states that southeast asian gaur > indian gaur > seladang.
Altaileopard, I don't see why you remove the externernal link articles. they are very reliable sources. Therefore, if no one disagrees, I'll put it back.
Please check for a RAR(Rapid action Report) called "Dog and Bull". It is about the mithun in Arunchal Pradesh(Eastern most province in india) and Dhole(wild dogs). It talks about the Human-Dhole conflict in Arunachal Pradesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.122.251 ( talk) 07:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Recently, this article was edited to list the giraffe as one of the few land animals larger than the gaur. But if this is correct, this chart also must be edited : Largest_living_things#Table_of_heaviest_terrestrial_animals, so let's get to the bottom of this, because we can't contradict ourselves. Chrisrus ( talk) 04:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
talk:Chrisrus|talk]]) 01:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Prudhvi,i am currently working at keystone foundation(NGO based in kotagiri)on Gaur-Human conflict. A part of my job is to take photographs of gaur in an urban environment(Kotagiri is a town in the NILGIRIS). Though i cannot share all of my findings at the moment as it is an ongoing project, i would be able to share some pictures and as soon as our findings can go public,Wikipedia will be informed. I forgot to mention that i work for the conservation group in keystone. So, our info and pictures and news are all primary as i personally gather them and verify them. So, how can i help??
Cite your source:
BhagyaMani ( talk) 19:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey BhagyaMani
"Endangered animals of Thailand," by Humphrey, 1990, states the relevant sweat gland distribution information.
The rest was from ( http://www.integratedconservationresearch.org/ICRIFiles/rainforestbeef.htm) and may not be correct since it cites no articles. However, the sweat gland stuff is true, and as a graduate student in Biology I wouldn't be surprised if they digest native plants quite well in comparison to European cows. We should probably (and unfortunately) take out "may offer a viable alternative to slash/burn agriculture in these regions" since that's an opinion. Though use of slash/burn agriculture and human-intiated annual burning during dry season are both common throughout much of Southeast Asia to create grassland for cows (and of course open space for the cultivation of common agricultural annuals). Also the current domesticated version, the Gayal, is mostly restricted to use by the Lhoba culture and prob. represents a cross between the two species, thus likely not displaying the same characteristics.
Also I think when I clicked the "talk" next to your name Wikipedia might have signed me in briefly AS YOU, though I can't be sure. Successfully Edited the page "USER:BhagyaMani" so....
Jgreeter (
talk)
01:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Checked the ref'ed source for the following statement:
But did not find this claimed source text. Therefore, moved this paragraph here for the time being, the more so as the subspecies classification, based largely on differences in coloration and size, is no longer widely recognized -- see Gaur#Taxonomy. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 21:14, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The linked reference clearly states that Noah, the cloned gaur, died of common dysentery "likely unrelated to cloning." However, the page states the dysentery was "most likely related to cloning," in conflict with the linked source. I have updated the page to correct this. -- Kdice ( talk) 20:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Ujjwal234goel proposed to merge articles about two different species. Why? Does he perhaps know about taxonomic findings that previous authors overlooked ? -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 17:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I oppose because gaur and gayal are two discrete species and have been recognised as distinct for more than 100 years, corroborated by genetic analysis carried out in 2007. Hence, they warrant their own articles, in which case merging should be avoided even though articles might be short. See Wikipedia:Merging should be avoided if: 3. The topics are discrete subjects -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 09:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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Are those Chinese records of 1500kg credible enough?
Several sources I found say 1225kg is the weight of a record bull (see list below).
The third one (The Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society) even questions this; "The question of weight is discussed at pages 10 and 11. In view of the ascertained weight of the largest-ever bull seen by Morris in his South India area having seen 2,071 lb. (J.B.N.H.S., 47: 153) It would seem that the 'weight-clean 2,700 lb.' for a Cochin China bull can be reasonably questioned?"
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That's according to animal planet. Here's the video:
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 138.130.141.70 ( talk) 06:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
All the information on websites about gaur size is bullshit!!! Gaur bull 600 - 1000 kg, cow 450 - 800 kg. Give me a break!!! No water buffalo 1.7m tall weighs less than 1000 kg, and they lack the muscular and deep massive body of the gaur. These sites are more than willing to say a gaur can weigh "up to" a ton, and water buffalo: 1200 kg, and they call themselves wild cattle experts. It's an insult to the gaur. All of those sites have serious problems, never do their homework. Men, even a banteng bull 1.6m already weighs 800 kg, and they expect people to believe a 1.9m gaur weighed the same???
I'm removing the addition "The gaur is the third largest of all wild cattle, after the Yak, and the Cape Buffalo; however, it is bigger even than the Wild Asiatic Water Buffalo and Bison." As far as I know the Water Buffalo & the Gaur are the only two wild cattle to average at a weight in excess of 1,500 lb. (Unsigned comment by User:Sandhillcrane)
I was born in Sabah, North Borneo and i grew up hearing stories from my dad and grandpa telling me of this beast that is bigger and more aggressive than a water buffalo but looks like a cow that every now and then someone shoots one on a hunting trip (My family are native of Borneo and it is tradition to hunt deer and wild boar). I had never seen one and i never knew what its name in english is. But i have only known it as "Tambadau". If this is the same animal then it definately does exist. For i have seen with my own eyes its fresh tracks and huge droppings that are definately not water buffallo tracks.
One story from a friend was when he went hunting in the jungle by himself he came across a whole pack/herd of these animals known to us as Tambadau and he was undetected by the pack. Because he was unexperienced and young he aimed with his shotgun loaded with a buck shot and shot one of the Tambadau that was laying on the ground directly in the face (he should have aimed for the breast/armpit area under the leg). The Tambadau got up and charged towards him, then started bashing its head into nearby hill-wall trying to get the buck shot pellets out. My friend dropped his gun and ran and never saw the beast again.
I really wonder if this is the animal we call Tambadau. It meets all the descriptions.
-- Jandela 16:27, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
There are no gaurs in Borneo, but banteng does exist there.
Belsavis 6 Apr 2009 —Preceding
undated comment added
10:44, 6 April 2009 (UTC).
Can a biologist please have a look at this article? -- JeLuF 10:45 Oct 6, 2002 (UTC)
I gather that Bos Gavaeus is another obsolete name? I created a redirect, but don't dare to mention the name here. dab (ᛏ) 08:19, 17 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Okay, I can believe that gaur have eaten chickens.
And I can believe that gaur have killed farmers.
But I refuse to believe that gaur have eaten humans. DS 22:21, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm doing a high school research report on what people consider being a "cow.” Many people in my interview said that a "cow" has horns, are big and moo. I know a Gaur has horns, are big and looks like what most North Americans consider a "cow" but does it make a "mooing" noise? Yes, they do make a mooing noise. I live in a town called Masenagudi where you see gaur in numbers of 20 or more at all times. They make a moo like noise, loud snorting noise which is blaring and another yelp like noise calling out to the herd or a mating partner. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.122.251 ( talk) 07:32, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Can someone who knows add it to the page?
The 2nd picture added to the end of the page is not a guar, but a banteng bull. A gaur is not that small, and lacks the white patches on its rumps. True, the image labels gaur, but many people can tell that it's a banteng bull. So, any idea?
The article had made claims of average weights to 1500 kg and a record weight of 1700 kg from Vietnam in 2003. I was not able to find sources for these extremes and added sourced average weights that are somewhat lower. Can anyone find references for the previous claims? Rmhermen 13:14, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
Good questions. Some china website has information on the weight of 1500 kg. About the 1700kg, that inf was written on this web site: www.vnexpress.net. But unluckily, this inf is in Vietnamese, so I'm quite unsure if it's worthwhile mentioning the site at all. But the 1500kg inf is in English, quite a relief. just type in google: gaur + 1500 kg, and u will get to the site. One more thing: 1500kg is not an average, but rather a quite heavy weight for the gaur.
Is there any backing for this "name"? Is it just me, or does this scream "vandal!" Very sorry if it really is a local name. 66.42.173.205 22:28, 10 October 2006 (UTC) It is a local name for wild bison in tamil. Another name is Kattuerumu.
Can someone please check to see if gaurs actually shun otters, as stated in the Ecology and Behavior section, or if that needs to be corrected?
Actually shun here only means the gaur, on seeing an otter underwater, just moves elsewhere( gaur sometimes goes into river to bath), perhaps it doesn't like the presence of the otter nearby, the same for elephant on seeing a water buffalo in the vicinity. Nothing sensational here, but the word.
This is truly a once-in-a-lifetime moment. Tiger and gaur face to face, contemplating each other. What are they thinking? What will they do?
http://www.indianaturewatch.net/displayimage.php?id=5352 // —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.88.245.41 ( talk) 08:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC).
Southeast asian gaur is larger than indian gaur, which is already very large.
I seriously doubt this information about Indian gaur being smaller than the south east asian gaur. Normally for all large mammals (eg. tigers, elephants, sambars etc) the Indian subspecies are larger than their south east asian counterparts. It seems unlikely that gaurs would be any different. Please submit proof about this claim
The largest of all wild cattles and the largest of all domestic cattles, which one is larger? Anyone knows?
There is NO EVIDENCE of tiger killing a fully grown Gaur!
A huge bull Gaur outweights a huge bull holsen fresian.
Tiger's can kill a fully grown bull if they manage to grab a hold of the neck, but the chances of being able to is remote. A lioness can kill a fully grown bull cape buffalo if it manages to block its windpipe.
Actually, Bubalus arnee can defend iteself from tigers more effectively than Gaurs can. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.109.77.55 ( talk) 00:27, 6 March 2008 (UTC) Based on what kind of info and source of info have you arrived at this conclusion??
Does anyone know the sources for the subspecies in this article? I would like to include them in the german wiki.-- Altaileopard 17:13, 21 May 2007 (UTC) There are a lot of sites talking about gaur subspecies, you just use the keywords to search. But about their size, none of them mention, save for a printed journal published by the Bombay national history society of India, which states that southeast asian gaur > indian gaur > seladang.
Altaileopard, I don't see why you remove the externernal link articles. they are very reliable sources. Therefore, if no one disagrees, I'll put it back.
Please check for a RAR(Rapid action Report) called "Dog and Bull". It is about the mithun in Arunchal Pradesh(Eastern most province in india) and Dhole(wild dogs). It talks about the Human-Dhole conflict in Arunachal Pradesh. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.3.122.251 ( talk) 07:39, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Recently, this article was edited to list the giraffe as one of the few land animals larger than the gaur. But if this is correct, this chart also must be edited : Largest_living_things#Table_of_heaviest_terrestrial_animals, so let's get to the bottom of this, because we can't contradict ourselves. Chrisrus ( talk) 04:50, 17 August 2010 (UTC)
talk:Chrisrus|talk]]) 01:00, 18 August 2010 (UTC)
Hello, my name is Prudhvi,i am currently working at keystone foundation(NGO based in kotagiri)on Gaur-Human conflict. A part of my job is to take photographs of gaur in an urban environment(Kotagiri is a town in the NILGIRIS). Though i cannot share all of my findings at the moment as it is an ongoing project, i would be able to share some pictures and as soon as our findings can go public,Wikipedia will be informed. I forgot to mention that i work for the conservation group in keystone. So, our info and pictures and news are all primary as i personally gather them and verify them. So, how can i help??
Cite your source:
BhagyaMani ( talk) 19:35, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Hey BhagyaMani
"Endangered animals of Thailand," by Humphrey, 1990, states the relevant sweat gland distribution information.
The rest was from ( http://www.integratedconservationresearch.org/ICRIFiles/rainforestbeef.htm) and may not be correct since it cites no articles. However, the sweat gland stuff is true, and as a graduate student in Biology I wouldn't be surprised if they digest native plants quite well in comparison to European cows. We should probably (and unfortunately) take out "may offer a viable alternative to slash/burn agriculture in these regions" since that's an opinion. Though use of slash/burn agriculture and human-intiated annual burning during dry season are both common throughout much of Southeast Asia to create grassland for cows (and of course open space for the cultivation of common agricultural annuals). Also the current domesticated version, the Gayal, is mostly restricted to use by the Lhoba culture and prob. represents a cross between the two species, thus likely not displaying the same characteristics.
Also I think when I clicked the "talk" next to your name Wikipedia might have signed me in briefly AS YOU, though I can't be sure. Successfully Edited the page "USER:BhagyaMani" so....
Jgreeter (
talk)
01:27, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
Checked the ref'ed source for the following statement:
But did not find this claimed source text. Therefore, moved this paragraph here for the time being, the more so as the subspecies classification, based largely on differences in coloration and size, is no longer widely recognized -- see Gaur#Taxonomy. -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 21:14, 22 September 2011 (UTC)
The linked reference clearly states that Noah, the cloned gaur, died of common dysentery "likely unrelated to cloning." However, the page states the dysentery was "most likely related to cloning," in conflict with the linked source. I have updated the page to correct this. -- Kdice ( talk) 20:03, 24 January 2012 (UTC)
Ujjwal234goel proposed to merge articles about two different species. Why? Does he perhaps know about taxonomic findings that previous authors overlooked ? -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 17:13, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
I oppose because gaur and gayal are two discrete species and have been recognised as distinct for more than 100 years, corroborated by genetic analysis carried out in 2007. Hence, they warrant their own articles, in which case merging should be avoided even though articles might be short. See Wikipedia:Merging should be avoided if: 3. The topics are discrete subjects -- BhagyaMani ( talk) 09:47, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
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Are those Chinese records of 1500kg credible enough?
Several sources I found say 1225kg is the weight of a record bull (see list below).
The third one (The Journal of the Bombay Natural History Society) even questions this; "The question of weight is discussed at pages 10 and 11. In view of the ascertained weight of the largest-ever bull seen by Morris in his South India area having seen 2,071 lb. (J.B.N.H.S., 47: 153) It would seem that the 'weight-clean 2,700 lb.' for a Cochin China bull can be reasonably questioned?"