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![]() | On 29 March 2015, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gaspée Affair to Gaspee Affair. The result of the discussion was Moved per request. |
The external links section could use a good cleaning. -- 71.15.82.100 16:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 19:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering why they felt it necessary to impugn the ancestors of Warwick RI with the gratuitous: "British officials wanted to reduce hostilities between the Crown and the colonies, while the Rhode Island merchants did not. Colonists protested the Stamp Act, Townshend Acts, and other British impositions that had clashed with the colony’s history of rum smuggling and slave trading. Dfoofnik ( talk) 04:05, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
The "Historiographical background" section looks very bizzare: Totally unwikified and with some liberal "scare quotes" like "Republican" (?!). 68.39.174.238 ( talk) 17:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Liberal scare quotes like Republican? Well, someone's a little sensitive, eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.11.151 ( talk) 20:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on the British Royal Navy, but I do not believe they used the prefix "HMS" - His/Her Majesty's Ship - at that time. It only came into use many years later, and I suspect HMS has been added to the name by later accretion. It would have been known as "the Gaspée". (I am not confident enough of this to make a change in the text.) Michael of Lucan ( talk) 08:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia page on the use of HMS, the first recorded use of the abbreviation "HMS" is in 1789, but the use of the phrase "His Majesty's Ship" goes back to the late 17th century. So technically it would have been "His Majesty's Ship Gaspee" or "His Britannic Majesty's Gaspee" (HBMS Gaspee). The latter is how the first cited article on the page refers to the ship.
/info/en/?search=Her_Majesty%27s_Ship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.180.169 ( talk) 12:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I've never seen Gaspee spelled with an accent mark. I don't know who decided to add this (perhaps Mr. Historiography?) but it seems to be without any precedent. Locally, the name is pronounced "Gaspy", with no accent or stress on the Es (and I'm not sure how this accented spelling is supposed to be pronounced). The accents should probably be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.91.180 ( talk) 18:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
[moved here from my talk page] Someone redirected The Gaspee Affair to a new article titled Gaspée Affair. There was never a vessel named the Gaspée. In 1768 the Royal Navy commissioned the Gaspee. Named after a penisula in Canada called the Gaspé. I do not know where this new spelling is coming from? You may look in Ngram viewer to see that Gaspé is a word, and Gaspee is a word, but not Gaspée. I wrote my dissertation on the topic in 2005. I looked at 352 letters and documents about the Gaspee Affair in the National Archives in Kew Garden in London. Please switch it back to its proper spelling. StevenHPark ( talk) 19:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Steven Park
Would be interested in seeing these "several variations" you're claiming to have seen. I have only ever seen "Gaspee." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:1C02:CA21:3955:88E5:3E8D:321D ( talk) 12:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
The article had the proper name from 2005-2010 when it was redirected to this new article with the incorrect spelling. How does one make a proposal? To have this switched back to the way it should be? StevenHPark ( talk) 19:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC) Steven Park
Any progress on getting this changed back to the correct spelling? I have seen two recent articles take their spelling (incorrectly) from this Wikipedia entry instead of relying on 240 years of published scholarship...we need to fix this back soon! It does not even match other Wikipedia articles (e.g. Gaspee Days Committee) Steven Park — Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenHPark ( talk • contribs) 19:56, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Please note the two major, authoritative 19th Century published works on the Gaspee (Staples and Bartlett) do not have an accent. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_documentary_history_of_the_destructi.html?id=HhkaAQAAIAAJ http://books.google.com/books?id=Xr80AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Bartlett+Gaspee+Affair&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XDWqUODCPOmn0AGV_YDoDw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Bartlett%20Gaspee%20Affair&f=false
Please note that the two major unpublished dissertations of the 20th century (Park and DeVaro) do not have the accent. Park, S. H. (2005). The burning of HMS gaspee and the limits of eighteenth-century british imperial power. University of Connecticut). ProQuest Dissertations and Theses, , 221-221 DEVARO, L. J., JR. (1973). The impact of the gaspee affair on the coming of the revolution, 1772-1773. Case Western Reserve University). ProQuest Dissertations and Theses, , 359-359
Please note that the Gaspee Days committee, that is committed to preserving the memory of the Affair, does not have the accent.
Not sure where the accent came from?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenHPark ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, as far as I can tell, the accent mark *only* appears here on Wikipedia, and nowhere else. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.50.240 ( talk) 04:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per request Mike Cline ( talk) 14:33, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Gaspée Affair →
Gaspee Affair – The spelling 'Gaspée' is a mistake that only appears on Wikipedia.
Bhickey (
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I will reluctantly put my hand up and say that having researched the Gaspee and written a book about it, I guess I qualify as some sort of expert here. And *I* say it's a mistake. I never saw this accent used anywhere before seeing it here on wikipedia. If someone somewhere spelled the first president's name as "Washingtown," would the wikiepdia page be changed? Would there be any debate about correcting it if it was? Of course not. That's pretty much the same situation as the one we have here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:1C02:CA21:442F:BEE8:2B2C:6393 ( talk) 21:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
HMS Gaspée (1763) redirects here, so as this ship was formerly French, the equivalent French redirect should also redirect here -- 65.94.43.89 ( talk) 05:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
The Gaspee was NOT French. It was built in a shipyard in Canada and bought with several other vessels by the British for use in the American colonies.
The accent mark has NO precedent; I have researched and written about the Gaspee and never seen an accent used anywhere but wikipedia. Citing one modern usage isn't enough when hundreds of years of scholarship and original documents show the name with no accent. I'd bet a dollar that the author of that book took the spelling from wiipedia, compounding the error. So who put the accent here in the first place? It really needs to be removed, as it's simply incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:1C02:CA21:6181:1E2E:F611:E70 ( talk) 18:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I am no professional historian, but I have been bold enough to assert that Gerald Horne's work is not mainstream and should neither be extensively quoted here nor be in the background section of this article. Thus I have deleted it. Juan Riley ( talk) 21:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Horne is a professional historian, the John J. and Rebecca Moores Chair of History and African American Studies at the University of Houston ( /info/en/?search=Gerald_Horne), and his book was published by NYU Press and featured on media venues like Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman ( http://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/27/counter_revolution_of_1776_was_us). Your suggestion is problematic at best. I have studied this topic for almost a decade and his volume is quite mainstream. Stew312856 ( talk) 18:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)
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![]() | On 29 March 2015, it was proposed that this article be moved from Gaspée Affair to Gaspee Affair. The result of the discussion was Moved per request. |
The external links section could use a good cleaning. -- 71.15.82.100 16:11, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
Piledhigheranddeeper ( talk) 19:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm wondering why they felt it necessary to impugn the ancestors of Warwick RI with the gratuitous: "British officials wanted to reduce hostilities between the Crown and the colonies, while the Rhode Island merchants did not. Colonists protested the Stamp Act, Townshend Acts, and other British impositions that had clashed with the colony’s history of rum smuggling and slave trading. Dfoofnik ( talk) 04:05, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
The "Historiographical background" section looks very bizzare: Totally unwikified and with some liberal "scare quotes" like "Republican" (?!). 68.39.174.238 ( talk) 17:16, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
Liberal scare quotes like Republican? Well, someone's a little sensitive, eh? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.11.151 ( talk) 20:19, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm not an expert on the British Royal Navy, but I do not believe they used the prefix "HMS" - His/Her Majesty's Ship - at that time. It only came into use many years later, and I suspect HMS has been added to the name by later accretion. It would have been known as "the Gaspée". (I am not confident enough of this to make a change in the text.) Michael of Lucan ( talk) 08:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
According to the Wikipedia page on the use of HMS, the first recorded use of the abbreviation "HMS" is in 1789, but the use of the phrase "His Majesty's Ship" goes back to the late 17th century. So technically it would have been "His Majesty's Ship Gaspee" or "His Britannic Majesty's Gaspee" (HBMS Gaspee). The latter is how the first cited article on the page refers to the ship.
/info/en/?search=Her_Majesty%27s_Ship — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.190.180.169 ( talk) 12:11, 9 June 2021 (UTC)
I've never seen Gaspee spelled with an accent mark. I don't know who decided to add this (perhaps Mr. Historiography?) but it seems to be without any precedent. Locally, the name is pronounced "Gaspy", with no accent or stress on the Es (and I'm not sure how this accented spelling is supposed to be pronounced). The accents should probably be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.91.180 ( talk) 18:16, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
[moved here from my talk page] Someone redirected The Gaspee Affair to a new article titled Gaspée Affair. There was never a vessel named the Gaspée. In 1768 the Royal Navy commissioned the Gaspee. Named after a penisula in Canada called the Gaspé. I do not know where this new spelling is coming from? You may look in Ngram viewer to see that Gaspé is a word, and Gaspee is a word, but not Gaspée. I wrote my dissertation on the topic in 2005. I looked at 352 letters and documents about the Gaspee Affair in the National Archives in Kew Garden in London. Please switch it back to its proper spelling. StevenHPark ( talk) 19:23, 26 June 2012 (UTC) Steven Park
Would be interested in seeing these "several variations" you're claiming to have seen. I have only ever seen "Gaspee." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:1C02:CA21:3955:88E5:3E8D:321D ( talk) 12:14, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
The article had the proper name from 2005-2010 when it was redirected to this new article with the incorrect spelling. How does one make a proposal? To have this switched back to the way it should be? StevenHPark ( talk) 19:50, 28 June 2012 (UTC) Steven Park
Any progress on getting this changed back to the correct spelling? I have seen two recent articles take their spelling (incorrectly) from this Wikipedia entry instead of relying on 240 years of published scholarship...we need to fix this back soon! It does not even match other Wikipedia articles (e.g. Gaspee Days Committee) Steven Park — Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenHPark ( talk • contribs) 19:56, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Please note the two major, authoritative 19th Century published works on the Gaspee (Staples and Bartlett) do not have an accent. http://books.google.com/books/about/The_documentary_history_of_the_destructi.html?id=HhkaAQAAIAAJ http://books.google.com/books?id=Xr80AQAAMAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Bartlett+Gaspee+Affair&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XDWqUODCPOmn0AGV_YDoDw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Bartlett%20Gaspee%20Affair&f=false
Please note that the two major unpublished dissertations of the 20th century (Park and DeVaro) do not have the accent. Park, S. H. (2005). The burning of HMS gaspee and the limits of eighteenth-century british imperial power. University of Connecticut). ProQuest Dissertations and Theses, , 221-221 DEVARO, L. J., JR. (1973). The impact of the gaspee affair on the coming of the revolution, 1772-1773. Case Western Reserve University). ProQuest Dissertations and Theses, , 359-359
Please note that the Gaspee Days committee, that is committed to preserving the memory of the Affair, does not have the accent.
Not sure where the accent came from?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by StevenHPark ( talk • contribs) 13:38, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Indeed, as far as I can tell, the accent mark *only* appears here on Wikipedia, and nowhere else. It should be removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.50.240 ( talk) 04:24, 6 December 2012 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Moved per request Mike Cline ( talk) 14:33, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Gaspée Affair →
Gaspee Affair – The spelling 'Gaspée' is a mistake that only appears on Wikipedia.
Bhickey (
talk)
03:21, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
I will reluctantly put my hand up and say that having researched the Gaspee and written a book about it, I guess I qualify as some sort of expert here. And *I* say it's a mistake. I never saw this accent used anywhere before seeing it here on wikipedia. If someone somewhere spelled the first president's name as "Washingtown," would the wikiepdia page be changed? Would there be any debate about correcting it if it was? Of course not. That's pretty much the same situation as the one we have here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:1C02:CA21:442F:BEE8:2B2C:6393 ( talk) 21:33, 28 March 2015 (UTC)
HMS Gaspée (1763) redirects here, so as this ship was formerly French, the equivalent French redirect should also redirect here -- 65.94.43.89 ( talk) 05:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
The Gaspee was NOT French. It was built in a shipyard in Canada and bought with several other vessels by the British for use in the American colonies.
The accent mark has NO precedent; I have researched and written about the Gaspee and never seen an accent used anywhere but wikipedia. Citing one modern usage isn't enough when hundreds of years of scholarship and original documents show the name with no accent. I'd bet a dollar that the author of that book took the spelling from wiipedia, compounding the error. So who put the accent here in the first place? It really needs to be removed, as it's simply incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:1C02:CA21:6181:1E2E:F611:E70 ( talk) 18:41, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
I am no professional historian, but I have been bold enough to assert that Gerald Horne's work is not mainstream and should neither be extensively quoted here nor be in the background section of this article. Thus I have deleted it. Juan Riley ( talk) 21:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Horne is a professional historian, the John J. and Rebecca Moores Chair of History and African American Studies at the University of Houston ( /info/en/?search=Gerald_Horne), and his book was published by NYU Press and featured on media venues like Democracy Now! with Amy Goodman ( http://www.democracynow.org/2014/6/27/counter_revolution_of_1776_was_us). Your suggestion is problematic at best. I have studied this topic for almost a decade and his volume is quite mainstream. Stew312856 ( talk) 18:26, 18 May 2016 (UTC)