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Is Gary Williams really from New Jersey? He is categorized as such but the only reference to him being from New Jersey is coaching there at the high school level. Tkessler 07:44, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/williams_gary00.html Yes, his home town on the maryland site is listed as Collingswood, N.J.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.232.241 ( talk) 00:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Yep. In A March to Madness, Feinstein descibes Williams growing up in South Jersey, and sneaking into Big 5 games at the Palestra. Williams still recruits that area heavily: as a way-outside observer, it seems like he has better relationships with the Jersey coaches than with the coaches in Maryland. Jim Hardy ( talk) 12:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to respectfully disagree with the user who submitted this and remove this item, as it is not factual and arises more from a cursory observation of the coach.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.171.254 ( talk) 05:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I have deleted the picture of Gary Williams with "coeds" as that picture was inappropriate for this site. A headshot would be appropriate, not one of him making a funny face. - PhattyFatt 02:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I have once again deleted the picture. Please cease from posting that image, as it is still not appropriate for this article. - PhattyFatt 15:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I protected this page due to the ongoing edit war. Please stop making accusations of vandalism back and forth. Neither adding nor removing that image is a clear act of vandalism. Presumably those removing the image feel that it is inappropriate / not a representative choice. Is there some other image which you think would be better? -- CBD 22:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I will try to find a headshot of the coach. I feel that such an image would be more appropriate. - PhattyFatt 03:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The Washington Post recently ran a three-part series on Maryland's skid since the national championship. The second part covers the Rudy Gay recruiting debacle and gives good insight into Williams' recruiting philosophy and his opinions about the AAU. If someone is so inclined, I think it warrants its own section in the article: It's A Whole New Ballgame, and Maryland's Williams Isn't Playing. Strikehold ( talk) 08:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Debacle? Jim Hardy ( talk) 12:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
In response to Blueboy's edits, can you please point out specifically in the citations where:
Among the more serious violations against Wade, the sources said, were providing a leased car, cash payments of $272 and rides for a former Terrapins guard, Rudy Archer, before, during and after his one-season stay; giving free and discounted clothing to Alonzo Mourning and Brian Williams while they were being recruited; providing false and misleading information to N.C.A.A. investigators, and trying to get his assistant coaches to provide false and misleading information.
After reading that, if you still think it is massive, then I respectfully totally disagree. Also you may want to compare those violations against what other schools were found guilty of (SMU football, Kentucky basketball in the 80s, Miami football, USC football under Pete C., Michigan basketball in the 90s, etc.) to gain some perspective
After reading reaction from the school and Kirwan in the NYT article and the existing sources, perhaps you see why such a strong term is inappropriate, and needs more context. Just because the NCAA described it a certain way (still, not as "massive") does not necessarily mean that it should be simplified with one strong term.
Thank you. I'll be eager to see what others think about this as well. -- CutOffTies ( talk) 22:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The reason I called them "massive" was that Bob Wade ended up getting a five-year show-cause order. That's the harshest penalty a coach can get--you usually don't get that unless you're found guilty of pretty major violations. Plus, according to the NCAA infraction report, there were issues with complementary tickets for away games in Lefty's last season, 1985-86. Full disclosure--I'm a Carolina fan, but yet I was stunned to find out just how severe this was. Blueboy 96 23:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I suggest that a visitor on this page on a later time would expand on his retirement, since much information is not available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshison ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Roman Spinner, a primary page should not redirect to a disambiguated title using brackets, and the hatnote is wrong here, cutting people off rom correct info. If you make a change like this, please check it over. Boleyn ( talk) 18:32, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I have reverted this move. This is sufficiently controversial and complicated that it should be discussed prior to being done. Of the pages listed at Gary Williams (disambiguation) which might conceivably compete for the Gary Williams title, the basketball coach is 10:1 the most popular in terms of incoming Wikipedia traffic hits and overwhelming in terms of Google hits as well. ( Gary Anthony Williams actually wins the traffic hits by a large margin, but that article is already at its correct title.) As the basketball coach is the primary topic for the name Gary Williams, it makes sense for the basketball coach to be here and this should have an WP:RM if it is to be changed. -- B ( talk) 11:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 15:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
– addition of parenthetical qualifier will enable subject's proper placement among at least 11 others named "Gary Williams" at the Gary Williams (disambiguation) page. Basketball coaches are not WP:PRIMARYTOPICs as witness, among many others who have parenthetical qualifiers attached to their names, Roy Williams (coach) who has had more wins than Gary Williams (basketball). Although there are, indeed, numerous links flowing to Gary Williams (basketball), many of those are templated and other links are there simply because of the large number of basketball templates and articles in Wikipedia, which highlight every minute aspect of the game, thus creating enormous numbers of links. Most disambiguation pages do not have a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and there is no such need here. --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 08:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC) —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Oppose The primary purpose of disambiguation on Wikipedia is to aid the reader's navigation. In this case, as shown by the stats pulled by Dohn joe, the proposed change would run counter to the proven intentions of a strong majority of readers. Basing our decision of of arbitrary opinions on what indvidual editors might consider "important" enough instead of using the hard facts would just be silly.-- Yaksar (let's chat) 01:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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Is Gary Williams really from New Jersey? He is categorized as such but the only reference to him being from New Jersey is coaching there at the high school level. Tkessler 07:44, Mar 19, 2005 (UTC)
http://umterps.collegesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/williams_gary00.html Yes, his home town on the maryland site is listed as Collingswood, N.J.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.35.232.241 ( talk) 00:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Yep. In A March to Madness, Feinstein descibes Williams growing up in South Jersey, and sneaking into Big 5 games at the Palestra. Williams still recruits that area heavily: as a way-outside observer, it seems like he has better relationships with the Jersey coaches than with the coaches in Maryland. Jim Hardy ( talk) 12:26, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
I'm going to respectfully disagree with the user who submitted this and remove this item, as it is not factual and arises more from a cursory observation of the coach.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.48.171.254 ( talk) 05:14, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
I have deleted the picture of Gary Williams with "coeds" as that picture was inappropriate for this site. A headshot would be appropriate, not one of him making a funny face. - PhattyFatt 02:28, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
I have once again deleted the picture. Please cease from posting that image, as it is still not appropriate for this article. - PhattyFatt 15:49, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
I protected this page due to the ongoing edit war. Please stop making accusations of vandalism back and forth. Neither adding nor removing that image is a clear act of vandalism. Presumably those removing the image feel that it is inappropriate / not a representative choice. Is there some other image which you think would be better? -- CBD 22:18, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
Yes. I will try to find a headshot of the coach. I feel that such an image would be more appropriate. - PhattyFatt 03:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
The Washington Post recently ran a three-part series on Maryland's skid since the national championship. The second part covers the Rudy Gay recruiting debacle and gives good insight into Williams' recruiting philosophy and his opinions about the AAU. If someone is so inclined, I think it warrants its own section in the article: It's A Whole New Ballgame, and Maryland's Williams Isn't Playing. Strikehold ( talk) 08:59, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Debacle? Jim Hardy ( talk) 12:34, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
In response to Blueboy's edits, can you please point out specifically in the citations where:
Among the more serious violations against Wade, the sources said, were providing a leased car, cash payments of $272 and rides for a former Terrapins guard, Rudy Archer, before, during and after his one-season stay; giving free and discounted clothing to Alonzo Mourning and Brian Williams while they were being recruited; providing false and misleading information to N.C.A.A. investigators, and trying to get his assistant coaches to provide false and misleading information.
After reading that, if you still think it is massive, then I respectfully totally disagree. Also you may want to compare those violations against what other schools were found guilty of (SMU football, Kentucky basketball in the 80s, Miami football, USC football under Pete C., Michigan basketball in the 90s, etc.) to gain some perspective
After reading reaction from the school and Kirwan in the NYT article and the existing sources, perhaps you see why such a strong term is inappropriate, and needs more context. Just because the NCAA described it a certain way (still, not as "massive") does not necessarily mean that it should be simplified with one strong term.
Thank you. I'll be eager to see what others think about this as well. -- CutOffTies ( talk) 22:54, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
The reason I called them "massive" was that Bob Wade ended up getting a five-year show-cause order. That's the harshest penalty a coach can get--you usually don't get that unless you're found guilty of pretty major violations. Plus, according to the NCAA infraction report, there were issues with complementary tickets for away games in Lefty's last season, 1985-86. Full disclosure--I'm a Carolina fan, but yet I was stunned to find out just how severe this was. Blueboy 96 23:07, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
I suggest that a visitor on this page on a later time would expand on his retirement, since much information is not available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yoshison ( talk • contribs) 20:43, 5 May 2011 (UTC)
Roman Spinner, a primary page should not redirect to a disambiguated title using brackets, and the hatnote is wrong here, cutting people off rom correct info. If you make a change like this, please check it over. Boleyn ( talk) 18:32, 17 May 2015 (UTC)
I have reverted this move. This is sufficiently controversial and complicated that it should be discussed prior to being done. Of the pages listed at Gary Williams (disambiguation) which might conceivably compete for the Gary Williams title, the basketball coach is 10:1 the most popular in terms of incoming Wikipedia traffic hits and overwhelming in terms of Google hits as well. ( Gary Anthony Williams actually wins the traffic hits by a large margin, but that article is already at its correct title.) As the basketball coach is the primary topic for the name Gary Williams, it makes sense for the basketball coach to be here and this should have an WP:RM if it is to be changed. -- B ( talk) 11:58, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 5 7 15:15, 10 June 2015 (UTC)
– addition of parenthetical qualifier will enable subject's proper placement among at least 11 others named "Gary Williams" at the Gary Williams (disambiguation) page. Basketball coaches are not WP:PRIMARYTOPICs as witness, among many others who have parenthetical qualifiers attached to their names, Roy Williams (coach) who has had more wins than Gary Williams (basketball). Although there are, indeed, numerous links flowing to Gary Williams (basketball), many of those are templated and other links are there simply because of the large number of basketball templates and articles in Wikipedia, which highlight every minute aspect of the game, thus creating enormous numbers of links. Most disambiguation pages do not have a WP:PRIMARYTOPIC, and there is no such need here. --Relisted. George Ho ( talk) 08:00, 26 May 2015 (UTC) —Roman Spinner (talk)(contribs) 19:30, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Oppose The primary purpose of disambiguation on Wikipedia is to aid the reader's navigation. In this case, as shown by the stats pulled by Dohn joe, the proposed change would run counter to the proven intentions of a strong majority of readers. Basing our decision of of arbitrary opinions on what indvidual editors might consider "important" enough instead of using the hard facts would just be silly.-- Yaksar (let's chat) 01:03, 27 May 2015 (UTC)
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