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There is the bold statement 'Ennis is a devout atheist who has a marked distaste for christianity' Neither the reference provided or the reference it links to seems to provide any evidence of this at all, beyond the author's opinion. A quick google search shows a bunch of links claiming he's atheist, mostly criticizing his work "preacher", but I can't find anything from HIM that says he's atheist, much less anything where he says he dislikes christianity.
I'm not saying that it's wrong. I'm just saying the reference doesn't support the statement, and that I can't find any references that ether validates or refutes the statement.
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http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Garth_Ennis.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.223.14 ( talk) 05:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Apologies to the writer of the original stub for erasing most of your work - I figured the fact that you thought Ennis was English rather than Irish means you're not that attached to the subject - Joe.
Sure, he's Irish, but he was born in Northern Ireland, so does'nt that make him a subject of the UK? What does his passport say?
No. Since the Good Friday agreement and the Anglo Irish agreement before that, people living in Northern Ireland have the right to choose their nationality and passport (British or Irish or both) perhaps a unique situation in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.240.141.48 ( talk) 14:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
But Northern Ireland isn't a nation. Northern Irish isn't a Nationality, he's either British, Irish or Dual Nationality. Bunnyman78 ( talk) 14:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
-- Ulsterman2021 ( talk) 15:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC) If he was born in Northern Ireland he is Northern Irish. Irish is not an appropriate term unless someone either describes themselves as Irish or they hold an Irish passport. But nobody can make that assumption as it is a personal and sensitive matter and could also cause offence. In the absence of knowing what passport someone holds, Northern Irish best describes a person from Northern Ireland. 'Subject of the UK' is an incorrect and out of date term to use.
Shouldn't there be a paragraph on how he has revitalized the Punisher and is largely considered to be the character's definitive writer? He has written over 60 appearances of the character; I consider that notable enough to warrant a paragraph. - Gasface
I see no reason for an entry Garth Ennis work for 2000 A.D./Judge Dredd and it also makes a chronological sorting of publications impossible. ( Emperor 21:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC))
I'm sorry; my logic was that it could easily be linked straight from 2000 AD, rather than an indirect link to his page, scrolling around to find the extremely incomplete list that was there ... and because, since it was early and fairly obscure to American audiences, it would be more an interesting bit of info but not neccessarily for everybody. Now I see the conversation going on down below, so obviously people disagree. I hadn't been able to figure out this talk section before. Sorry for causing trouble.
It came up on the VfD discussion for the above merge and I thought it best to continue it hre rather than bog down the deletion discussion. To reiterate my viewpoint: I think the bibliography needs to be as comprehensive as possible as all the work from someone notable like Garth Ennis, Grant Morrison and Alan Moore is notable. While I don't see the length of the bibliographies being too much of an issue at the moment it has been an issue I have pondered. If it did become an issue I'd favour a "concise bibliography" in the entry and a separate "comprehensive bibliography" link through form there. At the moment I think the main issue at the moment is other entries that are largely just bibliography. This isn't a problem with the bibliography just that a longer biography is required but as this is all a work in progress it is handy to have the bibliography to help create the biography. The three entries I linked to above are good examples of "mature" entries that have grown to be (partly due to the popularity of the authors involved). So as things stand I am more in favour of adding more to the biographies rather than taking things out of bibliogrpahies (which, as I've said, is a judgement call and very difficult to get a consensus on and impossible to properly police). It also partly reflects the moderate problem of expanding UK writers and artists entries unless they have crossed over to the American mainstream (but then again there are a lot of entries for US writers and artists that need similar work). ( Emperor 14:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
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I'm actually something of a fan of Garth's work and have read almost all of it. But he's come under fire for being misogynistic. I can probably troll out sources from CBR (Comic book resources) and reviews, but really it's as self evident as his "interest in male friendships." I'm not trying to just smear the guy, but it's a theme in his work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.22.148 ( talk) 05:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Ennis has explicitly addressed issues of misogyny in his work, as opposed to the vast majority of comic books creators who simply perpetuate misogynistic norms without, it would seem, much reflection. Ennis is obviously interested in masculinity, and his treatment of women is from masculine perspectives, but you can't really say that his portrayals of women are characterized by contempt and hatred for their gender, which is what "misogyny" entails. Also, by flat-out stating that his work is characterized by rampant misogyny, you're passing your own judgement on it - the very least you could do is fit some clause in there like, "Ennis has drawn allegations of misogyny throughout his career," or whatever. Your edit seems fairly out of order - I'm changing it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.8.108 ( talk) 09:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Heh. I see we've had another round of edits on Ennis hot button topics being made and rolled back [1]. TBH I think we *should* have something about Ennis's choice of "edgy" subject matter, accusations of sexism, homophobia, and all that goes with it. But we need to do a proper job of it, it needs to be very carefully balanced, and we need to source the hell out of it with proper sources that meet WP:RS - something that's easier said than done with all the google hits on messageboards and blog postings that don't really cut it. If I turn up anything that looks usable I'll post it here. Artw ( talk) 04:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
The darkness
just perused the article and i see little regarding garths run on the drakness comic. most importantly the first arc or two
i'dd add some detials my self. but cant fact check anything as at work and this limts my web searching abilitys
just thought i'd ,mention it ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.38.130 ( talk) 15:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the cleanup tag, which seemed old and out of date. As far as I can tell none of the old issues mentioned there apply to the article, with particularly good work being done to add references and move citations inline. I hope everyone is okay with that assessment. Artw ( talk) 17:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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It was claimed that I added uncited information when writing about the book being withdrawn due to controversy, although I did take the time to cite it down to the very page number, here is the scan: https://postimg.cc/dZZFLbkT
In terms of the villain in True Faith being a militant atheist rather than a militant maltheist, I can't scan the entire book, but here's just one of many instances where he says his goal is to literally kill God because he hates him: https://postimg.cc/XGJLc3gX
To be clear, the HERO is an atheist, but the villain is a believer, albeit a believer who hates God. Even if you haven't read Truth Faith Nightscream, don't you think that's more likely that the villain being a militant atheist, given Ennis' stated beliefs and depictions of believers versus atheists in his better known material? Lynchenberg ( talk) 20:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
While a lot of the information removed from the article after I edited it for organization was uncited, having read/watched a substantial amount of Ennis interviews, I know most of that information can be confirmed. Given time, I will find the sources for all or most of it. I won't add it to the article until/if I do, but going forward, please add a citation needed while we look for the source. The sources for most of this stuff are out there, they just need to be found.
In case I am not believed (I've been accused of original research instead of merely organizing what was already there), here's a link to the state of the article before I started editing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Garth_Ennis&oldid=969621563
You'll note all all my so-called "original research" is already there, Nightscream. You had been editing the article long before me at that point, yet just now, you suddenly have a problem with this so-called "original research" and you try to blame it on me. All I did was try to make the article easier to read. Lynchenberg ( talk) 20:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Wow, you really didn't notice that the Dynamite and Dynamic Forces articles are both copies of the Wikipedia article? Even though one of them explicitly mentions this?
As for the Comics Review site, I'm not familiar with it. At first I thought it looked like a fan's blog, but then on the About page, I noticed that he says he's paid to write books about comics. Doing a curosory search, I found this book by him, and verified that the publisher, Quality Books, is not a vanity press, but a legit publisher with this Publishers Weekly article, so yeah, I think Wiacek would pass WP:IRS. What does anyone else think? Nightscream ( talk) 17:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the relevant policies and guidelines are clear. It's not a question of whether the interview is "faked", but whether the source has a general reputation for editorial control, reliability, etc.
And if he gives this information "in multiple interviews", then interested editors should be able to find those published by those aforementioned sources. I'm sorry that you did all that work and saw so much of it removed (it it makes any difference, I've had that happen to me too), but much of it was indeed kept, as the Previews videos should pass muster, and I added the publication info to it too. I hope this doesn't discourage you from continuing to edit. If you ever need further help or tips on collaborating, I'm here for you, for what it's worth. Nightscream ( talk) 19:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Responding to this from the edit history: "No, you're not "leaving it as citation needed." You don't put an uncited passage in an article and then fact-tag it yourself. You accompany it with a citation that supports it, or doesn't go in the article, period.; Again, an anonymous person's YouTube channel w/ 42 subscribers does NOT pass WP:IRS; adding missing cite publication info to SyFy Wire video cite; etc."
First off, I didn't cite that video when I made the edit, I just said we needed the citation. You were okay with that until we found a Wikipedia-approved source for Troubled Souls being withdrawn from sale. I thought you'd be okay with this too. I said I was going to do that earlier on this talk page and you were okay with it. Second, you make it sound like I originally cited some guy on YouTube with 42 subscribers saying this, and I never did. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your tone, but you now sound angry and seem to be trying to skew things to make it sound like I'm pulling this out of nowhere or citing some guy alone in his basement, presenting his own "History of Garth Ennis" video into his webcam. Even before, I never did that. I cited Garth Ennis himself saying this in a YouTube interview with The Comic Collective, who actually have 878 subscribers, not many by any means, but it's an important distinction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ifrWA2JPcM
Again, I also have to ask this because I never received an answer. In your revert, you didn't address this and instead made it sound like I was citing some random YouTuber and linked an article on rules that seem to be referring more to self-published blogs than video interviews. So once again, I'll ask, what is the reasoning behind this? Let's say this exact same video was mirrored on Previews.Org, would it suddenly become reliable because Previews.Org is a well-known brand with more subscribers? Or take this video which you do say is reliable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23Br_pVRuc&t This channel just seems to be some guy interviewing Garth Ennis in a video call, a much less professional presentation than The Comic Collective. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that this channel has 89.4K subscribers. Is it considered more reliable simply because this guy successfully gained a following and The Comic Collective didn't? Is the fact that this is Garth Ennis himself, on video, giving the information irrelevant? If so, why? Is it some kind of status thing? Is the Wikipedia attitude, "We don't care about what's true, we don't care about what can be verified, we care about status?" If that's it, so be it, but if that's the case I think I deserve the real explanation instead of you painting it like I'm just citing some random fan.
If we can't use The Comic Collective source, okay. I don't really get why, but it's Wikipedia's house, so I'll respect that. I'll accept that on Wikipedia, what Ennis says doesn't matter, the platform he says it on matters. But given what we all can objectively see, can I at least change it from "Ennis' first American work appeared in 1991 when he took over the horror series Hellblazer, from DC Comics' Vertigo imprint" to "In 1991, Ennis took over the horror series Hellblazer, from DC Comics' Vertigo imprint," so we're just stating confirmed facts and not untruths? I didn't re-add other information that isn't important in the article, like small details about Garth Ennis saying his run on the Punisher was influenced by Chuck Dixon or that Battle was the specific war comic he read growing up. My issue isn't that trivia was removed, my issue is that a verified falsehood is consistently returned to the article.
I don't think we should have verified falsehoods in the article. If you don't consider this a falsehood (which given your frustrated tone, you might), I have to ask, is this beyond just having to follow the rules? Are you saying it's accurate to call Hellblazer Ennis' first American work? Are you saying Ennis cannot be trusted? Are you saying he needs a YouTuber with enough status around to make sure he's telling the truth? If this interview appeared on ComicPop and the interviewer called Ennis out and said, "No Ennis, you're wrong, neither Goddess or Hellblazer were your first American work, Preacher was," would we be trusting that interviewer over Ennis and calling Preacher his first American work? I am asking this separately from what the specific rules on Wikipedia are. We're using Wikipedia so the rules are what they are and we have to abide by them. I am asking you personally. In your personal view, am I the one promoting objective falsehoods by considering Garth Ennis himself a reliable source on the career of Garth Ennis? That is what you seem to be implying. Lynchenberg ( talk) 14:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Someone just added the Critics of Religions category. While Ennis is critical of religion, does that in fact make him a Critic of Religion in the sense in which that category is applied? He is a comic book writer, he doesn't write books or essays attempting to discredit or deconstruct religion. Even his comics that have a blasphemous or antireligious tone aren't truly critiques of religion but are just Ennis' own feelings coming out through his work. The overall goal of these comics seem to be to entertain the reader not to critique religion. Surprisingly little religious content is actually in comics like Preacher or Chronicles of Wormwood beyond just a general irreverence but no real argument is made or even attempted. Lynchenberg ( talk) 18:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
I suppose it's possible Ennis didn't win anything between 2001 and 2021, but I doubt it. There are probably just some missing. Richard75 ( talk) 22:52, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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There is the bold statement 'Ennis is a devout atheist who has a marked distaste for christianity' Neither the reference provided or the reference it links to seems to provide any evidence of this at all, beyond the author's opinion. A quick google search shows a bunch of links claiming he's atheist, mostly criticizing his work "preacher", but I can't find anything from HIM that says he's atheist, much less anything where he says he dislikes christianity.
I'm not saying that it's wrong. I'm just saying the reference doesn't support the statement, and that I can't find any references that ether validates or refutes the statement.
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http://www.adherents.com/people/pe/Garth_Ennis.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.223.14 ( talk) 05:13, 14 January 2012 (UTC)
Apologies to the writer of the original stub for erasing most of your work - I figured the fact that you thought Ennis was English rather than Irish means you're not that attached to the subject - Joe.
Sure, he's Irish, but he was born in Northern Ireland, so does'nt that make him a subject of the UK? What does his passport say?
No. Since the Good Friday agreement and the Anglo Irish agreement before that, people living in Northern Ireland have the right to choose their nationality and passport (British or Irish or both) perhaps a unique situation in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.240.141.48 ( talk) 14:34, 2 May 2012 (UTC)
But Northern Ireland isn't a nation. Northern Irish isn't a Nationality, he's either British, Irish or Dual Nationality. Bunnyman78 ( talk) 14:31, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
-- Ulsterman2021 ( talk) 15:56, 18 September 2020 (UTC) If he was born in Northern Ireland he is Northern Irish. Irish is not an appropriate term unless someone either describes themselves as Irish or they hold an Irish passport. But nobody can make that assumption as it is a personal and sensitive matter and could also cause offence. In the absence of knowing what passport someone holds, Northern Irish best describes a person from Northern Ireland. 'Subject of the UK' is an incorrect and out of date term to use.
Shouldn't there be a paragraph on how he has revitalized the Punisher and is largely considered to be the character's definitive writer? He has written over 60 appearances of the character; I consider that notable enough to warrant a paragraph. - Gasface
I see no reason for an entry Garth Ennis work for 2000 A.D./Judge Dredd and it also makes a chronological sorting of publications impossible. ( Emperor 21:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC))
I'm sorry; my logic was that it could easily be linked straight from 2000 AD, rather than an indirect link to his page, scrolling around to find the extremely incomplete list that was there ... and because, since it was early and fairly obscure to American audiences, it would be more an interesting bit of info but not neccessarily for everybody. Now I see the conversation going on down below, so obviously people disagree. I hadn't been able to figure out this talk section before. Sorry for causing trouble.
It came up on the VfD discussion for the above merge and I thought it best to continue it hre rather than bog down the deletion discussion. To reiterate my viewpoint: I think the bibliography needs to be as comprehensive as possible as all the work from someone notable like Garth Ennis, Grant Morrison and Alan Moore is notable. While I don't see the length of the bibliographies being too much of an issue at the moment it has been an issue I have pondered. If it did become an issue I'd favour a "concise bibliography" in the entry and a separate "comprehensive bibliography" link through form there. At the moment I think the main issue at the moment is other entries that are largely just bibliography. This isn't a problem with the bibliography just that a longer biography is required but as this is all a work in progress it is handy to have the bibliography to help create the biography. The three entries I linked to above are good examples of "mature" entries that have grown to be (partly due to the popularity of the authors involved). So as things stand I am more in favour of adding more to the biographies rather than taking things out of bibliogrpahies (which, as I've said, is a judgement call and very difficult to get a consensus on and impossible to properly police). It also partly reflects the moderate problem of expanding UK writers and artists entries unless they have crossed over to the American mainstream (but then again there are a lot of entries for US writers and artists that need similar work). ( Emperor 14:03, 2 June 2006 (UTC))
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I'm actually something of a fan of Garth's work and have read almost all of it. But he's come under fire for being misogynistic. I can probably troll out sources from CBR (Comic book resources) and reviews, but really it's as self evident as his "interest in male friendships." I'm not trying to just smear the guy, but it's a theme in his work. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.180.22.148 ( talk) 05:36, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Ennis has explicitly addressed issues of misogyny in his work, as opposed to the vast majority of comic books creators who simply perpetuate misogynistic norms without, it would seem, much reflection. Ennis is obviously interested in masculinity, and his treatment of women is from masculine perspectives, but you can't really say that his portrayals of women are characterized by contempt and hatred for their gender, which is what "misogyny" entails. Also, by flat-out stating that his work is characterized by rampant misogyny, you're passing your own judgement on it - the very least you could do is fit some clause in there like, "Ennis has drawn allegations of misogyny throughout his career," or whatever. Your edit seems fairly out of order - I'm changing it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 138.16.8.108 ( talk) 09:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Heh. I see we've had another round of edits on Ennis hot button topics being made and rolled back [1]. TBH I think we *should* have something about Ennis's choice of "edgy" subject matter, accusations of sexism, homophobia, and all that goes with it. But we need to do a proper job of it, it needs to be very carefully balanced, and we need to source the hell out of it with proper sources that meet WP:RS - something that's easier said than done with all the google hits on messageboards and blog postings that don't really cut it. If I turn up anything that looks usable I'll post it here. Artw ( talk) 04:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
The darkness
just perused the article and i see little regarding garths run on the drakness comic. most importantly the first arc or two
i'dd add some detials my self. but cant fact check anything as at work and this limts my web searching abilitys
just thought i'd ,mention it ```` —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.195.38.130 ( talk) 15:29, 25 January 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the cleanup tag, which seemed old and out of date. As far as I can tell none of the old issues mentioned there apply to the article, with particularly good work being done to add references and move citations inline. I hope everyone is okay with that assessment. Artw ( talk) 17:02, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
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It was claimed that I added uncited information when writing about the book being withdrawn due to controversy, although I did take the time to cite it down to the very page number, here is the scan: https://postimg.cc/dZZFLbkT
In terms of the villain in True Faith being a militant atheist rather than a militant maltheist, I can't scan the entire book, but here's just one of many instances where he says his goal is to literally kill God because he hates him: https://postimg.cc/XGJLc3gX
To be clear, the HERO is an atheist, but the villain is a believer, albeit a believer who hates God. Even if you haven't read Truth Faith Nightscream, don't you think that's more likely that the villain being a militant atheist, given Ennis' stated beliefs and depictions of believers versus atheists in his better known material? Lynchenberg ( talk) 20:11, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
While a lot of the information removed from the article after I edited it for organization was uncited, having read/watched a substantial amount of Ennis interviews, I know most of that information can be confirmed. Given time, I will find the sources for all or most of it. I won't add it to the article until/if I do, but going forward, please add a citation needed while we look for the source. The sources for most of this stuff are out there, they just need to be found.
In case I am not believed (I've been accused of original research instead of merely organizing what was already there), here's a link to the state of the article before I started editing it: https://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Garth_Ennis&oldid=969621563
You'll note all all my so-called "original research" is already there, Nightscream. You had been editing the article long before me at that point, yet just now, you suddenly have a problem with this so-called "original research" and you try to blame it on me. All I did was try to make the article easier to read. Lynchenberg ( talk) 20:36, 12 November 2020 (UTC)
Wow, you really didn't notice that the Dynamite and Dynamic Forces articles are both copies of the Wikipedia article? Even though one of them explicitly mentions this?
As for the Comics Review site, I'm not familiar with it. At first I thought it looked like a fan's blog, but then on the About page, I noticed that he says he's paid to write books about comics. Doing a curosory search, I found this book by him, and verified that the publisher, Quality Books, is not a vanity press, but a legit publisher with this Publishers Weekly article, so yeah, I think Wiacek would pass WP:IRS. What does anyone else think? Nightscream ( talk) 17:24, 16 November 2020 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the relevant policies and guidelines are clear. It's not a question of whether the interview is "faked", but whether the source has a general reputation for editorial control, reliability, etc.
And if he gives this information "in multiple interviews", then interested editors should be able to find those published by those aforementioned sources. I'm sorry that you did all that work and saw so much of it removed (it it makes any difference, I've had that happen to me too), but much of it was indeed kept, as the Previews videos should pass muster, and I added the publication info to it too. I hope this doesn't discourage you from continuing to edit. If you ever need further help or tips on collaborating, I'm here for you, for what it's worth. Nightscream ( talk) 19:25, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
Responding to this from the edit history: "No, you're not "leaving it as citation needed." You don't put an uncited passage in an article and then fact-tag it yourself. You accompany it with a citation that supports it, or doesn't go in the article, period.; Again, an anonymous person's YouTube channel w/ 42 subscribers does NOT pass WP:IRS; adding missing cite publication info to SyFy Wire video cite; etc."
First off, I didn't cite that video when I made the edit, I just said we needed the citation. You were okay with that until we found a Wikipedia-approved source for Troubled Souls being withdrawn from sale. I thought you'd be okay with this too. I said I was going to do that earlier on this talk page and you were okay with it. Second, you make it sound like I originally cited some guy on YouTube with 42 subscribers saying this, and I never did. Maybe I'm misinterpreting your tone, but you now sound angry and seem to be trying to skew things to make it sound like I'm pulling this out of nowhere or citing some guy alone in his basement, presenting his own "History of Garth Ennis" video into his webcam. Even before, I never did that. I cited Garth Ennis himself saying this in a YouTube interview with The Comic Collective, who actually have 878 subscribers, not many by any means, but it's an important distinction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ifrWA2JPcM
Again, I also have to ask this because I never received an answer. In your revert, you didn't address this and instead made it sound like I was citing some random YouTuber and linked an article on rules that seem to be referring more to self-published blogs than video interviews. So once again, I'll ask, what is the reasoning behind this? Let's say this exact same video was mirrored on Previews.Org, would it suddenly become reliable because Previews.Org is a well-known brand with more subscribers? Or take this video which you do say is reliable: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f23Br_pVRuc&t This channel just seems to be some guy interviewing Garth Ennis in a video call, a much less professional presentation than The Comic Collective. As far as I can tell, the only difference is that this channel has 89.4K subscribers. Is it considered more reliable simply because this guy successfully gained a following and The Comic Collective didn't? Is the fact that this is Garth Ennis himself, on video, giving the information irrelevant? If so, why? Is it some kind of status thing? Is the Wikipedia attitude, "We don't care about what's true, we don't care about what can be verified, we care about status?" If that's it, so be it, but if that's the case I think I deserve the real explanation instead of you painting it like I'm just citing some random fan.
If we can't use The Comic Collective source, okay. I don't really get why, but it's Wikipedia's house, so I'll respect that. I'll accept that on Wikipedia, what Ennis says doesn't matter, the platform he says it on matters. But given what we all can objectively see, can I at least change it from "Ennis' first American work appeared in 1991 when he took over the horror series Hellblazer, from DC Comics' Vertigo imprint" to "In 1991, Ennis took over the horror series Hellblazer, from DC Comics' Vertigo imprint," so we're just stating confirmed facts and not untruths? I didn't re-add other information that isn't important in the article, like small details about Garth Ennis saying his run on the Punisher was influenced by Chuck Dixon or that Battle was the specific war comic he read growing up. My issue isn't that trivia was removed, my issue is that a verified falsehood is consistently returned to the article.
I don't think we should have verified falsehoods in the article. If you don't consider this a falsehood (which given your frustrated tone, you might), I have to ask, is this beyond just having to follow the rules? Are you saying it's accurate to call Hellblazer Ennis' first American work? Are you saying Ennis cannot be trusted? Are you saying he needs a YouTuber with enough status around to make sure he's telling the truth? If this interview appeared on ComicPop and the interviewer called Ennis out and said, "No Ennis, you're wrong, neither Goddess or Hellblazer were your first American work, Preacher was," would we be trusting that interviewer over Ennis and calling Preacher his first American work? I am asking this separately from what the specific rules on Wikipedia are. We're using Wikipedia so the rules are what they are and we have to abide by them. I am asking you personally. In your personal view, am I the one promoting objective falsehoods by considering Garth Ennis himself a reliable source on the career of Garth Ennis? That is what you seem to be implying. Lynchenberg ( talk) 14:30, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
Someone just added the Critics of Religions category. While Ennis is critical of religion, does that in fact make him a Critic of Religion in the sense in which that category is applied? He is a comic book writer, he doesn't write books or essays attempting to discredit or deconstruct religion. Even his comics that have a blasphemous or antireligious tone aren't truly critiques of religion but are just Ennis' own feelings coming out through his work. The overall goal of these comics seem to be to entertain the reader not to critique religion. Surprisingly little religious content is actually in comics like Preacher or Chronicles of Wormwood beyond just a general irreverence but no real argument is made or even attempted. Lynchenberg ( talk) 18:01, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
I suppose it's possible Ennis didn't win anything between 2001 and 2021, but I doubt it. There are probably just some missing. Richard75 ( talk) 22:52, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
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Would there be any objection to modifying this so the Rebellion 2000 AD material is under the Fleetway stuff and not buried in the "other publishers" section? 2600:1700:96F1:550:DDE3:B7AD:2931:B429 ( talk) 20:38, 29 July 2023 (UTC)