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He won the first match and Blue won the second, 1 - 1. The representatives of Blue declined/withdrew from a another game which would have determined the winner and end the tie. Kasparov would undoubtedly have won the third match considering the second math, "Blue didn't beat Kasparov, Kasparov beat Kasparov". The weight on his shoulders and the propaganda stirring around this machine resulted in a self jinx. Nevertheless, Kasparov was unbeaten.
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He was up against a 3,000-pound bundle of 512 computers bear-hugging 200 million moves a second to beat him. Kasparov, evaluating a measly two or three moves a second, still managed to win one game and tie three more in the six-game contest
A couple of questions: Where does he live nowadays? In what language is he writing his books? Where can I find more articles by him?
He first started learning to play chess after studying a chess problem set up by his parents, and proposed a solution to it.
I don't understand. How can you start learning to play chess after solving a chess problem? The rules of chess are not intuitive.
No idea, but he studied this chess board for quite some time and then offered a possible solution to his parents, who seemed a little surprised too. They then decided to teach him to play chess. Does sound strange, but its been mentioned in quite a number of books and magazines I've read over the years.
Also there's quite a distinction between learning the moves of chess, and learning how to play chess well. The first can take a month, the latter a lifetime and not succeed. I'm referring to Garry learning to play chess in regards to making a living with it, not learning the basic moves - apologies.
His first name is Gari or Gary ???
Neither. Since he's Russian so it would be in Cyrillic (Don't even ask me about the spelling combinations of Korchnoi, Ivanchuk and Nimzowitsch I've seen - its all because the names are non-English, and created in "other" letters :-) ). A rough translation would be Garri, but commonly in English print he's referred to as Garry (two R's in both cases).
What would Gary Kasparov do when his in midgame with his wife during a picnic and the rain starts tumbling down? She's about to defend a check mate move - does he stay and get wet for the kill or does he call it a draw (effecting the win/loss ration). It's tough, I'll give you that.
I'd like to see some discussion of politics. I remember his playing under the Russian flag in perestroika time in spite of being born in Azerbaijan. It seems interesting. -- Error 02:43 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
And was he ethnically Russian, Armenian or Jew?Both players should have displayed the flag of the Soviet Union, but Kasparov chose to use the new tricolor Russian flag to show support for Boris Yeltsin. Karpov protested on the grounds that FIDE rules dictated that "miniature flags of the nations to which the players belong are to be placed on the table". Appeals jury Lim Kok An and Bessel Kok decided that there would be no flags.
-- Error 03:34 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Garri Kasparov is a rat. I clearly remember in the old communist days of the Soviet Union how he was a 'proud' member of the communist party and how he pretended to be dedicated to the party. When things started to change, he adjusted accordingly, and when the game was over (no pun intended) he started to bad mouth the old system. His chess politics have been even more hypocritical and dirty. It should be noted also that he is the only grandmaster known so far, to have cheated in an official chess game and caught on camera. In Linares 1994 tournament, he was playing black again J. Polgar ... he moved his knight to a square that would have been a losing move for him, he let go of the piece, then he grabbed the knight again and put it on another square. After the game it was shown that his cheating was cpatured on a camera. This is Garri Kasparov in a nutshell. Also, his main strength in chess is his home preparation and database-like memorized openings, as clearly evident from most of his games.
Where does this estimated X3D Fritz rating (2807) come from? -- Camembert
This page was listed on Wikipedia:Brilliant prose candidates. At User:Eloquence's suggestion I added some headings. However I don't mind if the content writers of this article don't like it and want to revert to the plainer version. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:25, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
human's days are numbered.
Xah P0lyglut 04:56, 2003 Dec 13 (UTC)
Here: ...as well as defending his title three times against his arch-opponent Karpov.
Anatoly Karpov: ...fighting Kasparov in over five arduous World Championship matches...
Seems inconsistent to me. --
Jao 17:21, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I feel it should be mentioned how he puts his watch on the table and when he is confident he will win, he puts it back on his arm. This is just something I heard today. Maybe someone who knows more of these little things that are to him in his way of acting during matches or general personality - like in Bobby Fischer - could add to this and write it somewhere in there? -- Lenton 15:55, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)
No discussion of his rivalry with Karpov? I had inserted it into the Karpov page, perhaps we should do so here?-- Etaonish 14:48, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
On the Historical revisionism page, it states, Finally the term "historical revisionism", or simply "revisionism" is used sometimes to refer to specific revisionist theories associated with the famous chess player Garry Kasparov, which believe that the events of what are known as the last 3,000 years occurred in either a much shorter or a much longer time frame, and attempts to explain how. Does anybody know what they are talking about? If Kasparov is involved, why is nothing said about this on this page? ChessPlayer 12:46, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
I have once heard some wacko theory that the middle ages was something like 400 years shorter than we think it was, however, I do not remember where I read it. Danny 17:01, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
See New Chronology (Fomenko) — the theory Kasparov supports. — Monedula 07:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi folks... I added a line (actually, a paragraph) about that, before reading the talk section here... I hope you don't oppose. Perhaps you would like to put it somewhere else in the page?... I'm still looking for more references on Kasparov's support to history revision. Fun fact: this page is one of the first pages in google when you look for "kasparov fomenko". -- nwerneck, 02 Dec 2005 02:34:25 -0200
Apparently this got deleted? It seems fairly well-documented and interesting, so I changed "other achievements" to "other" and added a line about it there. I know it's better to contribute than to complain, but it would be nice if this article had a section dedicated solely to Kasparov's political and other non-chess activities--they probably deserve more attention than the article currently gives them P4k 07:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the correct section to say this, but: With Garry making the rounds on American Media, and with him begin very active in Russian politics, It should be appropriate for the section "Politics" to be a main chapter, not a subchapter beneath "retirement". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.114.223.30 ( talk) 00:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The article Kasparov versus The World mentions Kasparov's "normal king pawn opening." This article doesn't mention it at all. Can someone add it and explain it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:34, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
It doesn't mean anything, I think you may have misunderstood it. Kasparov likes playing e4, or the king pawn opening. That's really all it is. -- Etaonish 15:51, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
As of 2004, Kasparov will play this match with the current FIDE World Champion, Rustam Kasimdzhanov, although whether these plans will come to fruition remains to be seen. In the meantime, Kasparov continues to play in tournaments, with good results on the whole. This sentence was from the article. It imply a continuous state, but since 2004 is over, i tacked it here. I can't tell whether the game was played, so i couldn't update the sentence.
Well, the situation is still somewhat in flux: Dubai is definitely off, but there has been talk of the match being held in Turkey instead (frankly, I think the chances of it taking place are tiny, but that's another story). I'll update the article a bit. -- Camembert
Does anyone else think the photo of him at the top of the page is hugely unflattering? While it does embody his focus, it seems to me that we could find a better photo. --Ronincyberpunk
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that the reason that particular photo was included was because we felt pretty sure it was OK from a legal perspective; if I remember rightly, it is a frame from a web broadcast of Wijk aan Zee 2001, and people felt that just as the use of a single frame of a movie would count as fair use in the right context, so this would also count as fair use. That's not to say that we couldn't get away with using other photos as fair use (I really don't know if we could or not), but I think that's the reason we're using this particular one at the moment: it's considered pretty safe. -- Camembert
Surely it would be clearer to phrase "last undisputed champion and classical champion"? Also adding mention of losses Septentrionalis 18:38, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Kasparov is described as "possibly the strongest human chess player in the world" - Surely a computer cannot be described as a player anymore than Wikipedia can be described as an intellectual. Remove the word "human". Atolmazel 04:56, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Featured articles sometimes should be protected, as prominent targets for vandalism. Are all the vandals being blocked? Should this page be protected?- SV| t| th 21:40, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You can also see Kasparovs games here http://www.chessmaniac.com/Games/MyChessViewer/kasparov.htm
I remember Kasparov having issues with the way the second match against Deep Blue ended. I think he wanted to play Deep Blue again, and IBM left, saying Deep Blue had won, and that was that. Anyone want to add details on this? Venice 15:25, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please people, using expressions like "demolishing the field" is opinionated and completely unencyclopedic. State only the facts, and don't interpret their importance or value. Leave that to the reader. ✈ James C.
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when a few references have been added to the article. - Taxman 18:57, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
I added a reference as requested for Kasparov's statement about World Championship chances following the 1978 Sokolsky Memorial. Search for Sokolsky in the linked interview. Skip Jordan 08:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Why dosen't it mention about his match against the internet? http://classic.zone.msn.com/kasparov/PressRel.asp
Even the qualified "arguably the greatest player ever" or "arguably the strongest player ever" seems POV and highly controversial to me. Saying he is the greatest player ever is just subjective, depending on what you mean by "greatest" or how we decide who the "greatest" player is. It would be better to leave this up to the reader in my opinion. Saying "strongest player ever" is a bit better, but still controversial, given the fact that he was not world champion when he retired, and at least three other chessplayers were very close if not equal to him in terms of skill ( Anand, Leko, Topalov, and of course Kramnik). Would it be better to say he is "one of the strongest chessplayers ever"? This would seem more accurate, less controversial, and less in need of qualification. -- Malathion 05:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
In view of Kasparov's highest-of-all-time ELO rating, his having the highest rating in the world for many years, his bazillion tournament wins, his holding the world championship for 15 unbroken years -- longer than anyone in history besides Lasker -- stating that Kasparov is "arguably the strongest player ever" strikes me as a simple statement of fact. Certainly if one were to write a book today (as Euwe, Chernev and others have done in the past) addressing the issue of who the strongest player ever is, one would be ridiculed mercilessly (and rightly so) if one failed to discuss Kasparov as a contender for that distinction.
-- Frederick R July 1, 2005
How can we get this article protected? I'm not familiar with the procedure here. -- Malathion 19:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Garry Kasparov's peak rating was 2851, which was listed in the July 1999 FIDE rating list. It is the highest FIDE rating ever achieved, the closest one to it was Kramnik's 2811 rating which was listed in the January 2002 and April 2002 rating list.
Can we add a section detailing Kasparov's social life? I envision it would talk about Kasparov's wife and former wives, his children, and the fact that he talks many languages. Last I heard, he speaks 15 languages, can anyone confirm this?
I've never heard this story (under "Early Career") about Kasparov playing at Banja Luka only because the Russian Chess Federation thought it was a junior tournament, and it sounds like a crock. This was a very strong GM tournament (the article says average rating 2595), so evidently no one else was confused. And why the hell did the Soviets also send former World Champion Petrosian (born 1929) if they thought it was a junior tournament?? (See http://www.queensac.com/archive/tournaments/banjaluka1979b.htm for the players in the tournament.) -- Frederick R July 1, 2005
Does anyone else think we need a new image? In that one, he's covering most of his face, and we can't really see what he looks like. Some alternatives I've found:
File:Kasparov-story.jpg File:Kasparof-fth.jpg
I'll look for more in a bit. -- Malathion 02:45, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Please note, that Kasparov is citizen of Russia, so article Garry Kasparov is in Category:Chess players by nationality-> Category:Russian chess players -- ajvol 09:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I see that a properly documented story about Kasparov being pelted with eggs counts as trivia, whereas an undocumented one about someone hitting him over the head with a chessboard is not. Why? RachelBrown 14:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
there is nothing mentioned in the bio about his classic studies. has he attended any university if yes what was his university field?
My guess is great chess players aren't that exceptional in other mental feats, that's why we don't hear about them (and obviously what's been said about Fischer is exaggerated and if not why wouldn't he perform some task like memorising hundreds of cards etc. if he really could do things like that)
Daverocks's comments on his latest edit was: "69.244.34.232, "English" in that context does not imply that the origin of the name is English, but explains what "Vajnshtejn" would be in the English language". This got me wondering. Kasparov is a Russian who is descended from Germans originally named Weinstein. What has this got to do with the English language? Apparently nothing.
If he still went by his original name, we'd be spelling it in English as Vajnshtejn, Vajnshtajn, Vainshtain, or Vainshtein or some similar variant. The spelling can differ depending on the transliteration system used, but they would all start with the letter V. On the other hand, Germans would spell his name Weinstein (with the letter W) because that is their natural way of transliterating the Russian letters into German; and it would be silly to render it any other way given that it was Weinstein to begin with. Back to English, how can Weinstein be "what Vajnshtejn would be in the English language", when Vajnshtejn is already a transliteration of his Russian cyrillic-letter name into English? This is transliterating Russian into English, then translating that word from English into English, which is nonsensical.
The true explanation is that because German uses the same alphabet as English, there is no transliteration involved and a word in German is left untouched when quoted in an English language context. (We don't re-spell Wagner as VARGNER, or Weber as VAYBER.) "Weinstein" is NOT what his Russian name would be in the English language, but what it would be, and is, in the German language. This is English Wikipedia, not German. Given that he no longer uses the name but is now Kasparov, it's actually a very minor point, but since his name change is mentioned and since we're committed to accuracy, it is correct that we spell his original name Vajnshtejn. My quibble is with the explanation currently there. There needs instead to be a note that it would appear as Weinstein in German and is sometimes written that way when the German version of the transliterated name is quoted in English-language contexts. There, whew. Anybody have a shorter way of saying that? JackofOz 12:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Does somebody have a source for this claim? At first glance it looks a bit crankish...-- Robert Merkel 06:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Can you explain what history revision means?-- Bryan 14:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Where has Putin stated he wil change the constitution and run for the third consecutive term as the president of Russia? AFAIK he has repeatedly said he will not change the law and run for presidency. — mikko ( speak) 10:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I've removed this category, because Kasparov is neither Jew by belief nor by ethnicty. According to Jewish religious laws, a child born to a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother (like in this case) is considered "non-Jewish". See Who is a Jew?:
Tajik 10:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Stop giving me definitions. You may not use these definitions unless they have been specifically applied to Kasparov. We have several sources that include him as "Jewish". That's all we need. There is absolutely no definition for the Jewish ethnicity, and it isn't relevant anyway. Wikipedia editors can't deduce who is or is not Jewish based on whatever standards they prefer. You can only report what reliable sources have said specifically on the person in question. Since we have a few of these sources that call him Jewish, we have no reason not to call him that pending sources that call him "not Jewish". As for the Armenian category, it needs a source that calls him "Armenian", btw, but I guess the "half Armenian" thing will suffice. 216.221.81.98 07:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I retooled the succession boxes to be more accurate and representative of the "disputed" nature of the World Chess Championship. They used to look like this:
Which seems to indicate that Kasparov held two titles simulatenously: the World Chess Champion and the FIDE Champion. The boxes make it look like the chess schism occured earlier than it actually did. This is not the case. The explanation at World Chess Championship#Chaos (1993 - ) is adequate for those unfamiliar with this. That box scheme reeks of revisionism. Fortunately, whoever added this box did not go back to all of the (undisputed) World Champions and added the FIDE box as well. This would be like going back and adding the Confederate States of America president box to all US Presidents before Lincoln. Additionally, Veselin Topalov, the current FIDA champion can in no way be thought to be Kasparov's successor. I replaced those boxes with this:
Which I think adequately represents the fact that Kasparov has two "successors". I listed the FIDE Champion above the PCA Champion for no other reason than the fact that Kasparov remained the PCA Champion which he was not the FIDE Champion. Although I'd be open to an alternative proposal, I do think that whatever succession boxes we ultimately end up with need to emphasize Kasparov as the last "undipusted" champion. Again, read the explanation linked above if you need more information on this. savidan (talk) (e@) 12:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I've been away from this for a little while. This is what the succession box now looks like:
This is inaccurate because it makes it seem like the the "undisputed" World Chess Champions were always the FIDE line. More accurately, Kasparov was the last undisputed world chess champion and was suceeded by Karpov as the FIDE champion and then himself as the PCA champion. As the PCA champion, he was succeeded by Kramnik only with the title "Classical" champion because the PCA went under financially. Thus the following is appropriate savidan (talk) (e@) 21:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe this is the most accurate box version. It can be made more accurate by including WCC 1998 time period, but the box is big enough as it is. Dionyseus 06:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again, you insist on reverting to a FIDE succession box for the undisputed World Chess Champion which has been rejected over and over on this talk page. If the only problem with my most recent version is that the PCA folded in 1996 then, simply call him the classical world chess champion consistently, and the link to the world chess champion article explains the various organizations which oversaw this title. Theres no need to mention the sponsors in the succession box. FIDE could be sponsored by McDonalds for all I care. Here is what I recommend: savidan (talk) (e@) 15:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Garry Kasparov is Russian because he was raised in the russian evironment as well as have lived all his life in Russia.He calls himself 'russian' and even ballots as a candidate for presiential election in Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.148.18.129 ( talk) 00:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose removing the claim that Kasparov "reportedly" has an IQ of 190. While there is no doubt that Kasparov is extremely intelligent, I've never seen the claim of IQ of 190 anywhere except here on Wikipedia. In the absence of some sort of evidence, I am more inclined to believe it is nothing but a rumour, so it should be removed. Rocksong 04:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
We all know (don't we?) that chess performance after gaining a lot of experience is a much better indicator of intelligence anyway. justaname 20:54, 06 August 2006 (UTC)
The article on the Elo rating system claims Veselin Topalov has an Elo of 2813 as of July 2006, one point higher than Kasparov's 2812. freshofftheufo ΓΛĿЌ 08:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Kasparov cant be a Jew because is not a Jew by belief nor by ethnicty. According to the Jewish religion, only a child born to a Jewish mother is Jew. And since Kasparov his mother was Armenian and did that was a Azerbaijani jew that makes Kasparov a Azerbaijani-Armenian not Jewish-Armenian. This should be corrected out in the article. Baku87 19:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There are two alternatives:
and:
In my view the first version is tidier and more accurate. Views, please. BlueValour 01:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The introduction says, "Ranked first in the world a record 23 times between 1985 and 2006". What on earth does that mean? I thought ratings came out 4 times a year. If so, this figure it way too low. This statement is so vague (and uncited) that I propose removing it from the intro. Rocksong 02:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Why do we have this tag on the article? If something is in dispute we should have a cite tag by the problem comment so it can be fixed. I'm inclined to remove this general tag which is making the article look crappy. BlueValour 01:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Ryan Delaney has reverted back to the old introduction. I think the old intro is poorer for the following reasons: 1. It fails to mention that he was the youngest ever (Classical) world champion, which is definitely one of Kasparov's greatest achievements. 2. It contains vague, uncited, and probably incorrect comments about his rating (see "Vague Comments on Rating" above). 3. It puts more emphasis on his rating than his world championship achievements. 4. It has a clumsy parentheses about his removal from the rating list. So I've tried to have another go at rewriting the introduction. If you disagree, please edit or discuss it here, rather than doing a wholesale revert. Rocksong 23:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
In the section on the 1984 World Championship it reads "Karpov had lost 10 kg (22 lb) over the course of the match and had been hospitalized several times." I too have heard the claim of Karpov's hospitalization. I've also heard claims of Kasparov's hospitalization. I've heard claims of psychiatrists/psychologists who had to have special sessions with the players to prevent them from losing their minds during the event. After some research I am starting to come to the conclusion that many of these accounts are apocryphyl. I would like to hear from anybody who has sources that support the claim of either or both players being hospitalized. Thanks in advance. 71.57.161.254 22:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[17] function msikma(user: UserPage, talk: TalkPage): Void 23:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
[18] Ojw 20:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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For the third or fourth time, I've removed the "fact" that Kasparov topped the rating list "a record 23 times". I don't believe it. It sounds too low. Please do not restore this "fact" without either (a) a source, or (b) discussing it here. Rocksong 22:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
By the way, a much more impressive way of wording it would be something like, "Apart from a brief time in 1994-95, Kasparov was the world's #1 rated player from 1985 until his retirement in 2005". I'm not sure of the exact dates, but I'm pretty sure it's broadly true. Apart from the fact that FIDE kicked him (and Short) off their list in 1993, I think there were only two times: Kramnik equalled him on one list in about 1995 or 1996, and Karpov passed him briefly in about 1994 (though I'm not sure how because they would have been on different lists at the time). Anyway, if we can nail down these details, I think this would be a much better way to summarise his ratings achievements. Rocksong 22:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, trawling through old usenet posts:
As far as I know, these are the only times Kasparov was headed or equalled on the rating list, from when he took the #1 spot (probably 1985), until his retirement. Rocksong 01:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Another thought: according to Chessmetrics, he was rated continuously #1 continuously from February 1985 (when he overtook Karpov) to October 2004 (when Anand overtook him). [19]
I'm beginning to think that there should be a subsection on his ratings performance, rather than trying to squeeze it all into the introduction. Rocksong 02:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Was this November 1995 list official? It does not appear on the Eloquery site ([ [20]]) and I believe that FIDE only released lists in January and July at that time.
Reading the post, it seems as though this November list is an official extrapolation (though it is from FIDE), so perhaps Garry didn't lose his #1 rating after all.
Revisiting this old topic: I've just stumbled on the source of Kasparov topping the ratings list a record 23 times: http://www.fide.com/ratings/toplist.phtml?list=men . However this page only counts ratings lists from July 2000 onwards. So the number 23 is way too low, as I guessed, and I'm happy we changed it. Rocksong 00:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Can't anyone find a colour picture of him to replace that black and white one at the top of the page? Also, the description of his last few moves in the game against Karpov in 1993 is extremely difficult to understand. The caption should say which player is black and which is white as well as a comprehensible list of the moves. What does "22" mean? I can understand where c2 is, but it's unclear how the rook moved to c2 and what Karpov did in his turn. Owen214 09:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
User Diophantus (→Retirement and career in politics - Disinformation; cited webpage makes no mention of Kasparov) updated this site, yes now at centerforsecuritypolicy.org there's no info about Kasparov. But at web archive you may find his name at the members of centerforsecuritypolicy: http://web.archive.org/web/20060426210216/www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=static&page=nsac
So, I don't know, should this info be mentioned in the site or not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alexandre Koriakine ( talk • contribs) 10:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
"It become known to public, that Garry Kasparov is a member of supervisory board and advisor for the National Security Advisory Council at least since 2003[15], which is a US "non-profit, non-partisan national security organization that specializes in identifying policies, actions, and resource needs that are vital to American security"[16]. After the scandal gained notability in Mass Media, National Security Advisory Council has removed Kasparov from list of its supervisory board members and advisors on their website. Google Cache and Wayback Machine still have cached copies of the site listing Garry Kasparov in the Advisory Council Member list."
One more for the curious. In this rebuttal (in Russian) he suggests that he was included in the advisory board by an accident, simple copy & paste of the Keepers of the Flame nominees list. It is easy to check, that there are many "keepers" that were never on the advisory board (around half of them, AFAIR). Very notable "accident". Selective copy&paste I would say. Oxygen 217.118.95.35 20:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Give GK the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps the the list of members of the boad incorrectly listed him, the Guardian reported it and when people noticed they took it off. Sounds perfectly reasonalbe to me. -- Dudeman5685 ( talk) 19:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Should there be a line somewhere to this effect? Kramnik is not the World Champion, a computer is. Kramnik lost convincingly to the latest silicone monster. SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 11:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, as I said in my edit summary, I think that this is not the place to go into detail about the policies of the member organizations of The Other Russia, unless they can be shown to be Kasparov's personal policies as well. However, my very small change got reverted saying that it's a "disputable question" whether The Other Russia contains "nationalist and hard-left groups and organisations". This is not disputed at all, if you look at the articles The Other Russia, National Bolshevik Party, National Bolshevism and Vanguard of Red Youth. If you think it's POV to describe these groups as "nationalist" and "hard-left" respectively, I suggest you take that to the talk pages of those articles. As for your comment about it being the leaders of the parties that have boycotted The Other Russia, why don't you change the text to say that? I have no problem with that. -- Jao 09:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it is important to give details of Kasparov's allies here for several reasons. One, it explains why Kasparov was questioned by police for "extremist" activities. Surely we need to know the background, that he leads a group made up in most part of neo-fascist, Communist and hard-left elements, in order to understand why he is being questioned. Secondly, Kasparov portrays himself in the Western media as the leader of a "liberal democratic" coalition. It is important to balance this out and show the true make up of the Other Russia. I have provided several links to show that Kasparov supports the presidential candidacy of Viktor Gerahshchenko. We need to understand the Other Russia and Kasparov's activities in context, that he does not wish to "restore democracy" but that he wants to see someone belonging to a hardline ultranationalist and anti-semitic party become president (again, I have provided references for these facts).
I just wish other users would not delete these referenced facts just because they do not wish people to know that Kasparov isn't a democrat and is pursuing another agenda from the one he claims to be pursuing. Shotlandiya 11:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry buddy, you're wrong. Kasparov's association with Limonov, Gerahschenko and Anpilov obviously explains why he was questioned over breaking anti-extremism laws. It's very relevant. Do you deny that Yabloko and the Union of Right Forces oppose Putin? If so then you just don't have a clue. I have provided the references showing that Kasparov supports Gerashchenko, especially since Kasyanov broke away from the Other Russia.
I have reinserted my factual, accurate, referenced information. Please do not remove it again. Shotlandiya 12:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
If anyone is vandalising the page it's you, not me. Please do not remove my accurate, factual referenced material as I will simply undo all your edits. Shotlandiya 13:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It is you who is being disruptive, not me. And you have reverted other people's edits on here again. I agree we need to get this resolved through outside mediation. Shotlandiya 13:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
There's no need to be rude. I don't comment on your very poor standard of English grammar, for example.
I'm not going to edit back but I think someone else needs to take this up. The main issues for me are:
I am willing to try and accept some of your viewpoints. I am willing to accept that we should not put in the NBP's policy towards Jews and non-Russians. That belongs in an article about the NPB itself, not Kasparov. And I am happy to include information that the Other Russia includes democratic politicans as well as extremists.
So why don't you suggest a compromise, which includes my points, rather than just deleting everything, and we'll see if we can agree on something? Shotlandiya 13:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
"Probably you just too badly understand our politics".
Don't be arrogant with me. I understand Russia's politics a lot better than you understand English - I suggest if you want to work on Wikipedia you stick to the Russian language version.
As I see you are extremely rude and need to spent more time on your English lessons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shotlandiya ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I have put in the main article a suggested compromise - please don't delete it outright but discuss on here before making any changes. Shotlandiya 15:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure about "elected"? If Putin wasn't elected in 2003 who was? Kharitonov? Glazev? Malyshkin? 194.60.38.10 16:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the final paragraph from the Politics subsection from this version of this entry:
The strikeout text I removed; it's miscellaneous details of Kasparov's various October 2007 media appearances (it doesn't end there -- I'm listening to him on Fresh Air right now). But that's quite unimportant, unless he did or said something really notable on one or a few of those appearances. If so, grab this text, condense it, and make the quote. As it is now, though, it's not really important and quite United States-centric (he hasn't made it to non-US media?). Michael Patrick 02:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Are the books worthy of some subsectioning?-- Mokru ( talk) 22:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
User Quale deleted this following entry as an irrelevant rant. Apparently, he is bucking for a promotion at the Ministry of Truth. BTW, I will reinstate this section as often as necessary - for months on end if required. Philosopher8 ( talk) 15:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia works because it has a set of rules. (See Wikipedia:Five pillars). The rules are not perfect, but they are pretty good, and have created an extraordinarily good encyclopedia. So I see 3 options for you:
Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think that this variant would be better? ...a Russian chess grandmaster of Jewish and Armenian descent,..-- Alecxo ( talk) 00:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, i didn't say he was of "Judaist descents" :S-- Alecxo ( talk) 01:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
He was a Jewish Azerbaijani with Armenian descent, thats the best description.
Many names are overlinked in the article. I removed some of them, but there are too many of Smyslov, Kortchnoi, and others. Bubba73 (talk), 21:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I have deleted the reference to an alleged match against the computer B Zhao because the documentation is too poor. It has been reinstated, and my intention is to delete it again. The only reference is a single, anonymous blog. I can find no mention of it on chessgames.com (which contains many human-computer games, even little-known ones), indeed no other web references at all. For it to be reinstated, I believe better evidence is required. Comments? Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
This was added again today, and I removed it for the same reason - no references to show notability. If decent references can be found, this assessment might change. Peter Ballard ( talk) 01:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
For reference, the original deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/B_Zhao, and the blog which claims it exists is at http://engineersfuture.wordpress.com/about/ Peter Ballard ( talk) 01:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Kasparov's popularity in Russia is subject to much debate. While polls do tend to indicate that he is quite unpopular, and Putin is the opposite, it is worth noting that most of these polls come from Russian news or the Russian government. Both of these sources are controlled by Putin and would not be likely to confirm his opposition's true status if it is indeed supported. Such details need to be included in the article. -- 72.205.63.176 ( talk) 05:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
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He won the first match and Blue won the second, 1 - 1. The representatives of Blue declined/withdrew from a another game which would have determined the winner and end the tie. Kasparov would undoubtedly have won the third match considering the second math, "Blue didn't beat Kasparov, Kasparov beat Kasparov". The weight on his shoulders and the propaganda stirring around this machine resulted in a self jinx. Nevertheless, Kasparov was unbeaten.
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He was up against a 3,000-pound bundle of 512 computers bear-hugging 200 million moves a second to beat him. Kasparov, evaluating a measly two or three moves a second, still managed to win one game and tie three more in the six-game contest
A couple of questions: Where does he live nowadays? In what language is he writing his books? Where can I find more articles by him?
He first started learning to play chess after studying a chess problem set up by his parents, and proposed a solution to it.
I don't understand. How can you start learning to play chess after solving a chess problem? The rules of chess are not intuitive.
No idea, but he studied this chess board for quite some time and then offered a possible solution to his parents, who seemed a little surprised too. They then decided to teach him to play chess. Does sound strange, but its been mentioned in quite a number of books and magazines I've read over the years.
Also there's quite a distinction between learning the moves of chess, and learning how to play chess well. The first can take a month, the latter a lifetime and not succeed. I'm referring to Garry learning to play chess in regards to making a living with it, not learning the basic moves - apologies.
His first name is Gari or Gary ???
Neither. Since he's Russian so it would be in Cyrillic (Don't even ask me about the spelling combinations of Korchnoi, Ivanchuk and Nimzowitsch I've seen - its all because the names are non-English, and created in "other" letters :-) ). A rough translation would be Garri, but commonly in English print he's referred to as Garry (two R's in both cases).
What would Gary Kasparov do when his in midgame with his wife during a picnic and the rain starts tumbling down? She's about to defend a check mate move - does he stay and get wet for the kill or does he call it a draw (effecting the win/loss ration). It's tough, I'll give you that.
I'd like to see some discussion of politics. I remember his playing under the Russian flag in perestroika time in spite of being born in Azerbaijan. It seems interesting. -- Error 02:43 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
And was he ethnically Russian, Armenian or Jew?Both players should have displayed the flag of the Soviet Union, but Kasparov chose to use the new tricolor Russian flag to show support for Boris Yeltsin. Karpov protested on the grounds that FIDE rules dictated that "miniature flags of the nations to which the players belong are to be placed on the table". Appeals jury Lim Kok An and Bessel Kok decided that there would be no flags.
-- Error 03:34 May 7, 2003 (UTC)
Garri Kasparov is a rat. I clearly remember in the old communist days of the Soviet Union how he was a 'proud' member of the communist party and how he pretended to be dedicated to the party. When things started to change, he adjusted accordingly, and when the game was over (no pun intended) he started to bad mouth the old system. His chess politics have been even more hypocritical and dirty. It should be noted also that he is the only grandmaster known so far, to have cheated in an official chess game and caught on camera. In Linares 1994 tournament, he was playing black again J. Polgar ... he moved his knight to a square that would have been a losing move for him, he let go of the piece, then he grabbed the knight again and put it on another square. After the game it was shown that his cheating was cpatured on a camera. This is Garri Kasparov in a nutshell. Also, his main strength in chess is his home preparation and database-like memorized openings, as clearly evident from most of his games.
Where does this estimated X3D Fritz rating (2807) come from? -- Camembert
This page was listed on Wikipedia:Brilliant prose candidates. At User:Eloquence's suggestion I added some headings. However I don't mind if the content writers of this article don't like it and want to revert to the plainer version. Pete/Pcb21 (talk) 13:25, 4 Dec 2003 (UTC)
human's days are numbered.
Xah P0lyglut 04:56, 2003 Dec 13 (UTC)
Here: ...as well as defending his title three times against his arch-opponent Karpov.
Anatoly Karpov: ...fighting Kasparov in over five arduous World Championship matches...
Seems inconsistent to me. --
Jao 17:21, 9 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I feel it should be mentioned how he puts his watch on the table and when he is confident he will win, he puts it back on his arm. This is just something I heard today. Maybe someone who knows more of these little things that are to him in his way of acting during matches or general personality - like in Bobby Fischer - could add to this and write it somewhere in there? -- Lenton 15:55, Mar 22, 2004 (UTC)
No discussion of his rivalry with Karpov? I had inserted it into the Karpov page, perhaps we should do so here?-- Etaonish 14:48, 15 Apr 2004 (UTC)
On the Historical revisionism page, it states, Finally the term "historical revisionism", or simply "revisionism" is used sometimes to refer to specific revisionist theories associated with the famous chess player Garry Kasparov, which believe that the events of what are known as the last 3,000 years occurred in either a much shorter or a much longer time frame, and attempts to explain how. Does anybody know what they are talking about? If Kasparov is involved, why is nothing said about this on this page? ChessPlayer 12:46, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
I have once heard some wacko theory that the middle ages was something like 400 years shorter than we think it was, however, I do not remember where I read it. Danny 17:01, 9 May 2004 (UTC)
See New Chronology (Fomenko) — the theory Kasparov supports. — Monedula 07:23, 6 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Hi folks... I added a line (actually, a paragraph) about that, before reading the talk section here... I hope you don't oppose. Perhaps you would like to put it somewhere else in the page?... I'm still looking for more references on Kasparov's support to history revision. Fun fact: this page is one of the first pages in google when you look for "kasparov fomenko". -- nwerneck, 02 Dec 2005 02:34:25 -0200
Apparently this got deleted? It seems fairly well-documented and interesting, so I changed "other achievements" to "other" and added a line about it there. I know it's better to contribute than to complain, but it would be nice if this article had a section dedicated solely to Kasparov's political and other non-chess activities--they probably deserve more attention than the article currently gives them P4k 07:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't know if this is the correct section to say this, but: With Garry making the rounds on American Media, and with him begin very active in Russian politics, It should be appropriate for the section "Politics" to be a main chapter, not a subchapter beneath "retirement". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.114.223.30 ( talk) 00:58, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
The article Kasparov versus The World mentions Kasparov's "normal king pawn opening." This article doesn't mention it at all. Can someone add it and explain it? — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:34, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
It doesn't mean anything, I think you may have misunderstood it. Kasparov likes playing e4, or the king pawn opening. That's really all it is. -- Etaonish 15:51, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
As of 2004, Kasparov will play this match with the current FIDE World Champion, Rustam Kasimdzhanov, although whether these plans will come to fruition remains to be seen. In the meantime, Kasparov continues to play in tournaments, with good results on the whole. This sentence was from the article. It imply a continuous state, but since 2004 is over, i tacked it here. I can't tell whether the game was played, so i couldn't update the sentence.
Well, the situation is still somewhat in flux: Dubai is definitely off, but there has been talk of the match being held in Turkey instead (frankly, I think the chances of it taking place are tiny, but that's another story). I'll update the article a bit. -- Camembert
Does anyone else think the photo of him at the top of the page is hugely unflattering? While it does embody his focus, it seems to me that we could find a better photo. --Ronincyberpunk
I may be wrong, but I seem to remember that the reason that particular photo was included was because we felt pretty sure it was OK from a legal perspective; if I remember rightly, it is a frame from a web broadcast of Wijk aan Zee 2001, and people felt that just as the use of a single frame of a movie would count as fair use in the right context, so this would also count as fair use. That's not to say that we couldn't get away with using other photos as fair use (I really don't know if we could or not), but I think that's the reason we're using this particular one at the moment: it's considered pretty safe. -- Camembert
Surely it would be clearer to phrase "last undisputed champion and classical champion"? Also adding mention of losses Septentrionalis 18:38, 9 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Kasparov is described as "possibly the strongest human chess player in the world" - Surely a computer cannot be described as a player anymore than Wikipedia can be described as an intellectual. Remove the word "human". Atolmazel 04:56, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Featured articles sometimes should be protected, as prominent targets for vandalism. Are all the vandals being blocked? Should this page be protected?- SV| t| th 21:40, 11 Apr 2005 (UTC)
You can also see Kasparovs games here http://www.chessmaniac.com/Games/MyChessViewer/kasparov.htm
I remember Kasparov having issues with the way the second match against Deep Blue ended. I think he wanted to play Deep Blue again, and IBM left, saying Deep Blue had won, and that was that. Anyone want to add details on this? Venice 15:25, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Please people, using expressions like "demolishing the field" is opinionated and completely unencyclopedic. State only the facts, and don't interpret their importance or value. Leave that to the reader. ✈ James C.
Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Part of that is to make sure articles cite their sources. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. The Fact and Reference Check Project has more information. Thank you, and please leave me a message when a few references have been added to the article. - Taxman 18:57, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)
I added a reference as requested for Kasparov's statement about World Championship chances following the 1978 Sokolsky Memorial. Search for Sokolsky in the linked interview. Skip Jordan 08:10, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
Why dosen't it mention about his match against the internet? http://classic.zone.msn.com/kasparov/PressRel.asp
Even the qualified "arguably the greatest player ever" or "arguably the strongest player ever" seems POV and highly controversial to me. Saying he is the greatest player ever is just subjective, depending on what you mean by "greatest" or how we decide who the "greatest" player is. It would be better to leave this up to the reader in my opinion. Saying "strongest player ever" is a bit better, but still controversial, given the fact that he was not world champion when he retired, and at least three other chessplayers were very close if not equal to him in terms of skill ( Anand, Leko, Topalov, and of course Kramnik). Would it be better to say he is "one of the strongest chessplayers ever"? This would seem more accurate, less controversial, and less in need of qualification. -- Malathion 05:28, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
In view of Kasparov's highest-of-all-time ELO rating, his having the highest rating in the world for many years, his bazillion tournament wins, his holding the world championship for 15 unbroken years -- longer than anyone in history besides Lasker -- stating that Kasparov is "arguably the strongest player ever" strikes me as a simple statement of fact. Certainly if one were to write a book today (as Euwe, Chernev and others have done in the past) addressing the issue of who the strongest player ever is, one would be ridiculed mercilessly (and rightly so) if one failed to discuss Kasparov as a contender for that distinction.
-- Frederick R July 1, 2005
How can we get this article protected? I'm not familiar with the procedure here. -- Malathion 19:47, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Garry Kasparov's peak rating was 2851, which was listed in the July 1999 FIDE rating list. It is the highest FIDE rating ever achieved, the closest one to it was Kramnik's 2811 rating which was listed in the January 2002 and April 2002 rating list.
Can we add a section detailing Kasparov's social life? I envision it would talk about Kasparov's wife and former wives, his children, and the fact that he talks many languages. Last I heard, he speaks 15 languages, can anyone confirm this?
I've never heard this story (under "Early Career") about Kasparov playing at Banja Luka only because the Russian Chess Federation thought it was a junior tournament, and it sounds like a crock. This was a very strong GM tournament (the article says average rating 2595), so evidently no one else was confused. And why the hell did the Soviets also send former World Champion Petrosian (born 1929) if they thought it was a junior tournament?? (See http://www.queensac.com/archive/tournaments/banjaluka1979b.htm for the players in the tournament.) -- Frederick R July 1, 2005
Does anyone else think we need a new image? In that one, he's covering most of his face, and we can't really see what he looks like. Some alternatives I've found:
File:Kasparov-story.jpg File:Kasparof-fth.jpg
I'll look for more in a bit. -- Malathion 02:45, 13 July 2005 (UTC)
Please note, that Kasparov is citizen of Russia, so article Garry Kasparov is in Category:Chess players by nationality-> Category:Russian chess players -- ajvol 09:15, 15 July 2005 (UTC)
I see that a properly documented story about Kasparov being pelted with eggs counts as trivia, whereas an undocumented one about someone hitting him over the head with a chessboard is not. Why? RachelBrown 14:50, 16 August 2005 (UTC)
there is nothing mentioned in the bio about his classic studies. has he attended any university if yes what was his university field?
My guess is great chess players aren't that exceptional in other mental feats, that's why we don't hear about them (and obviously what's been said about Fischer is exaggerated and if not why wouldn't he perform some task like memorising hundreds of cards etc. if he really could do things like that)
Daverocks's comments on his latest edit was: "69.244.34.232, "English" in that context does not imply that the origin of the name is English, but explains what "Vajnshtejn" would be in the English language". This got me wondering. Kasparov is a Russian who is descended from Germans originally named Weinstein. What has this got to do with the English language? Apparently nothing.
If he still went by his original name, we'd be spelling it in English as Vajnshtejn, Vajnshtajn, Vainshtain, or Vainshtein or some similar variant. The spelling can differ depending on the transliteration system used, but they would all start with the letter V. On the other hand, Germans would spell his name Weinstein (with the letter W) because that is their natural way of transliterating the Russian letters into German; and it would be silly to render it any other way given that it was Weinstein to begin with. Back to English, how can Weinstein be "what Vajnshtejn would be in the English language", when Vajnshtejn is already a transliteration of his Russian cyrillic-letter name into English? This is transliterating Russian into English, then translating that word from English into English, which is nonsensical.
The true explanation is that because German uses the same alphabet as English, there is no transliteration involved and a word in German is left untouched when quoted in an English language context. (We don't re-spell Wagner as VARGNER, or Weber as VAYBER.) "Weinstein" is NOT what his Russian name would be in the English language, but what it would be, and is, in the German language. This is English Wikipedia, not German. Given that he no longer uses the name but is now Kasparov, it's actually a very minor point, but since his name change is mentioned and since we're committed to accuracy, it is correct that we spell his original name Vajnshtejn. My quibble is with the explanation currently there. There needs instead to be a note that it would appear as Weinstein in German and is sometimes written that way when the German version of the transliterated name is quoted in English-language contexts. There, whew. Anybody have a shorter way of saying that? JackofOz 12:39, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
Does somebody have a source for this claim? At first glance it looks a bit crankish...-- Robert Merkel 06:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
Can you explain what history revision means?-- Bryan 14:15, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
Where has Putin stated he wil change the constitution and run for the third consecutive term as the president of Russia? AFAIK he has repeatedly said he will not change the law and run for presidency. — mikko ( speak) 10:09, 24 December 2005 (UTC)
I've removed this category, because Kasparov is neither Jew by belief nor by ethnicty. According to Jewish religious laws, a child born to a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother (like in this case) is considered "non-Jewish". See Who is a Jew?:
Tajik 10:37, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
Stop giving me definitions. You may not use these definitions unless they have been specifically applied to Kasparov. We have several sources that include him as "Jewish". That's all we need. There is absolutely no definition for the Jewish ethnicity, and it isn't relevant anyway. Wikipedia editors can't deduce who is or is not Jewish based on whatever standards they prefer. You can only report what reliable sources have said specifically on the person in question. Since we have a few of these sources that call him Jewish, we have no reason not to call him that pending sources that call him "not Jewish". As for the Armenian category, it needs a source that calls him "Armenian", btw, but I guess the "half Armenian" thing will suffice. 216.221.81.98 07:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
I retooled the succession boxes to be more accurate and representative of the "disputed" nature of the World Chess Championship. They used to look like this:
Which seems to indicate that Kasparov held two titles simulatenously: the World Chess Champion and the FIDE Champion. The boxes make it look like the chess schism occured earlier than it actually did. This is not the case. The explanation at World Chess Championship#Chaos (1993 - ) is adequate for those unfamiliar with this. That box scheme reeks of revisionism. Fortunately, whoever added this box did not go back to all of the (undisputed) World Champions and added the FIDE box as well. This would be like going back and adding the Confederate States of America president box to all US Presidents before Lincoln. Additionally, Veselin Topalov, the current FIDA champion can in no way be thought to be Kasparov's successor. I replaced those boxes with this:
Which I think adequately represents the fact that Kasparov has two "successors". I listed the FIDE Champion above the PCA Champion for no other reason than the fact that Kasparov remained the PCA Champion which he was not the FIDE Champion. Although I'd be open to an alternative proposal, I do think that whatever succession boxes we ultimately end up with need to emphasize Kasparov as the last "undipusted" champion. Again, read the explanation linked above if you need more information on this. savidan (talk) (e@) 12:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
I've been away from this for a little while. This is what the succession box now looks like:
This is inaccurate because it makes it seem like the the "undisputed" World Chess Champions were always the FIDE line. More accurately, Kasparov was the last undisputed world chess champion and was suceeded by Karpov as the FIDE champion and then himself as the PCA champion. As the PCA champion, he was succeeded by Kramnik only with the title "Classical" champion because the PCA went under financially. Thus the following is appropriate savidan (talk) (e@) 21:34, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
I believe this is the most accurate box version. It can be made more accurate by including WCC 1998 time period, but the box is big enough as it is. Dionyseus 06:08, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Once again, you insist on reverting to a FIDE succession box for the undisputed World Chess Champion which has been rejected over and over on this talk page. If the only problem with my most recent version is that the PCA folded in 1996 then, simply call him the classical world chess champion consistently, and the link to the world chess champion article explains the various organizations which oversaw this title. Theres no need to mention the sponsors in the succession box. FIDE could be sponsored by McDonalds for all I care. Here is what I recommend: savidan (talk) (e@) 15:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Garry Kasparov is Russian because he was raised in the russian evironment as well as have lived all his life in Russia.He calls himself 'russian' and even ballots as a candidate for presiential election in Russia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 159.148.18.129 ( talk) 00:42, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
I propose removing the claim that Kasparov "reportedly" has an IQ of 190. While there is no doubt that Kasparov is extremely intelligent, I've never seen the claim of IQ of 190 anywhere except here on Wikipedia. In the absence of some sort of evidence, I am more inclined to believe it is nothing but a rumour, so it should be removed. Rocksong 04:25, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
We all know (don't we?) that chess performance after gaining a lot of experience is a much better indicator of intelligence anyway. justaname 20:54, 06 August 2006 (UTC)
The article on the Elo rating system claims Veselin Topalov has an Elo of 2813 as of July 2006, one point higher than Kasparov's 2812. freshofftheufo ΓΛĿЌ 08:23, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
Kasparov cant be a Jew because is not a Jew by belief nor by ethnicty. According to the Jewish religion, only a child born to a Jewish mother is Jew. And since Kasparov his mother was Armenian and did that was a Azerbaijani jew that makes Kasparov a Azerbaijani-Armenian not Jewish-Armenian. This should be corrected out in the article. Baku87 19:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
There are two alternatives:
and:
In my view the first version is tidier and more accurate. Views, please. BlueValour 01:12, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
The introduction says, "Ranked first in the world a record 23 times between 1985 and 2006". What on earth does that mean? I thought ratings came out 4 times a year. If so, this figure it way too low. This statement is so vague (and uncited) that I propose removing it from the intro. Rocksong 02:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Why do we have this tag on the article? If something is in dispute we should have a cite tag by the problem comment so it can be fixed. I'm inclined to remove this general tag which is making the article look crappy. BlueValour 01:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
Ryan Delaney has reverted back to the old introduction. I think the old intro is poorer for the following reasons: 1. It fails to mention that he was the youngest ever (Classical) world champion, which is definitely one of Kasparov's greatest achievements. 2. It contains vague, uncited, and probably incorrect comments about his rating (see "Vague Comments on Rating" above). 3. It puts more emphasis on his rating than his world championship achievements. 4. It has a clumsy parentheses about his removal from the rating list. So I've tried to have another go at rewriting the introduction. If you disagree, please edit or discuss it here, rather than doing a wholesale revert. Rocksong 23:16, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
In the section on the 1984 World Championship it reads "Karpov had lost 10 kg (22 lb) over the course of the match and had been hospitalized several times." I too have heard the claim of Karpov's hospitalization. I've also heard claims of Kasparov's hospitalization. I've heard claims of psychiatrists/psychologists who had to have special sessions with the players to prevent them from losing their minds during the event. After some research I am starting to come to the conclusion that many of these accounts are apocryphyl. I would like to hear from anybody who has sources that support the claim of either or both players being hospitalized. Thanks in advance. 71.57.161.254 22:15, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
[17] function msikma(user: UserPage, talk: TalkPage): Void 23:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
[18] Ojw 20:45, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
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For the third or fourth time, I've removed the "fact" that Kasparov topped the rating list "a record 23 times". I don't believe it. It sounds too low. Please do not restore this "fact" without either (a) a source, or (b) discussing it here. Rocksong 22:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
By the way, a much more impressive way of wording it would be something like, "Apart from a brief time in 1994-95, Kasparov was the world's #1 rated player from 1985 until his retirement in 2005". I'm not sure of the exact dates, but I'm pretty sure it's broadly true. Apart from the fact that FIDE kicked him (and Short) off their list in 1993, I think there were only two times: Kramnik equalled him on one list in about 1995 or 1996, and Karpov passed him briefly in about 1994 (though I'm not sure how because they would have been on different lists at the time). Anyway, if we can nail down these details, I think this would be a much better way to summarise his ratings achievements. Rocksong 22:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
OK, trawling through old usenet posts:
As far as I know, these are the only times Kasparov was headed or equalled on the rating list, from when he took the #1 spot (probably 1985), until his retirement. Rocksong 01:27, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Another thought: according to Chessmetrics, he was rated continuously #1 continuously from February 1985 (when he overtook Karpov) to October 2004 (when Anand overtook him). [19]
I'm beginning to think that there should be a subsection on his ratings performance, rather than trying to squeeze it all into the introduction. Rocksong 02:31, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
Was this November 1995 list official? It does not appear on the Eloquery site ([ [20]]) and I believe that FIDE only released lists in January and July at that time.
Reading the post, it seems as though this November list is an official extrapolation (though it is from FIDE), so perhaps Garry didn't lose his #1 rating after all.
Revisiting this old topic: I've just stumbled on the source of Kasparov topping the ratings list a record 23 times: http://www.fide.com/ratings/toplist.phtml?list=men . However this page only counts ratings lists from July 2000 onwards. So the number 23 is way too low, as I guessed, and I'm happy we changed it. Rocksong 00:17, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
Can't anyone find a colour picture of him to replace that black and white one at the top of the page? Also, the description of his last few moves in the game against Karpov in 1993 is extremely difficult to understand. The caption should say which player is black and which is white as well as a comprehensible list of the moves. What does "22" mean? I can understand where c2 is, but it's unclear how the rook moved to c2 and what Karpov did in his turn. Owen214 09:15, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
User Diophantus (→Retirement and career in politics - Disinformation; cited webpage makes no mention of Kasparov) updated this site, yes now at centerforsecuritypolicy.org there's no info about Kasparov. But at web archive you may find his name at the members of centerforsecuritypolicy: http://web.archive.org/web/20060426210216/www.centerforsecuritypolicy.org/index.jsp?section=static&page=nsac
So, I don't know, should this info be mentioned in the site or not? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Alexandre Koriakine ( talk • contribs) 10:31, 16 April 2007 (UTC).
"It become known to public, that Garry Kasparov is a member of supervisory board and advisor for the National Security Advisory Council at least since 2003[15], which is a US "non-profit, non-partisan national security organization that specializes in identifying policies, actions, and resource needs that are vital to American security"[16]. After the scandal gained notability in Mass Media, National Security Advisory Council has removed Kasparov from list of its supervisory board members and advisors on their website. Google Cache and Wayback Machine still have cached copies of the site listing Garry Kasparov in the Advisory Council Member list."
One more for the curious. In this rebuttal (in Russian) he suggests that he was included in the advisory board by an accident, simple copy & paste of the Keepers of the Flame nominees list. It is easy to check, that there are many "keepers" that were never on the advisory board (around half of them, AFAIR). Very notable "accident". Selective copy&paste I would say. Oxygen 217.118.95.35 20:59, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Give GK the benefit of the doubt. Perhaps the the list of members of the boad incorrectly listed him, the Guardian reported it and when people noticed they took it off. Sounds perfectly reasonalbe to me. -- Dudeman5685 ( talk) 19:54, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Should there be a line somewhere to this effect? Kramnik is not the World Champion, a computer is. Kramnik lost convincingly to the latest silicone monster. SmokeyTheCat •TALK• 11:12, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
Okay, as I said in my edit summary, I think that this is not the place to go into detail about the policies of the member organizations of The Other Russia, unless they can be shown to be Kasparov's personal policies as well. However, my very small change got reverted saying that it's a "disputable question" whether The Other Russia contains "nationalist and hard-left groups and organisations". This is not disputed at all, if you look at the articles The Other Russia, National Bolshevik Party, National Bolshevism and Vanguard of Red Youth. If you think it's POV to describe these groups as "nationalist" and "hard-left" respectively, I suggest you take that to the talk pages of those articles. As for your comment about it being the leaders of the parties that have boycotted The Other Russia, why don't you change the text to say that? I have no problem with that. -- Jao 09:29, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I think it is important to give details of Kasparov's allies here for several reasons. One, it explains why Kasparov was questioned by police for "extremist" activities. Surely we need to know the background, that he leads a group made up in most part of neo-fascist, Communist and hard-left elements, in order to understand why he is being questioned. Secondly, Kasparov portrays himself in the Western media as the leader of a "liberal democratic" coalition. It is important to balance this out and show the true make up of the Other Russia. I have provided several links to show that Kasparov supports the presidential candidacy of Viktor Gerahshchenko. We need to understand the Other Russia and Kasparov's activities in context, that he does not wish to "restore democracy" but that he wants to see someone belonging to a hardline ultranationalist and anti-semitic party become president (again, I have provided references for these facts).
I just wish other users would not delete these referenced facts just because they do not wish people to know that Kasparov isn't a democrat and is pursuing another agenda from the one he claims to be pursuing. Shotlandiya 11:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry buddy, you're wrong. Kasparov's association with Limonov, Gerahschenko and Anpilov obviously explains why he was questioned over breaking anti-extremism laws. It's very relevant. Do you deny that Yabloko and the Union of Right Forces oppose Putin? If so then you just don't have a clue. I have provided the references showing that Kasparov supports Gerashchenko, especially since Kasyanov broke away from the Other Russia.
I have reinserted my factual, accurate, referenced information. Please do not remove it again. Shotlandiya 12:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
If anyone is vandalising the page it's you, not me. Please do not remove my accurate, factual referenced material as I will simply undo all your edits. Shotlandiya 13:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
It is you who is being disruptive, not me. And you have reverted other people's edits on here again. I agree we need to get this resolved through outside mediation. Shotlandiya 13:16, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
There's no need to be rude. I don't comment on your very poor standard of English grammar, for example.
I'm not going to edit back but I think someone else needs to take this up. The main issues for me are:
I am willing to try and accept some of your viewpoints. I am willing to accept that we should not put in the NBP's policy towards Jews and non-Russians. That belongs in an article about the NPB itself, not Kasparov. And I am happy to include information that the Other Russia includes democratic politicans as well as extremists.
So why don't you suggest a compromise, which includes my points, rather than just deleting everything, and we'll see if we can agree on something? Shotlandiya 13:31, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
"Probably you just too badly understand our politics".
Don't be arrogant with me. I understand Russia's politics a lot better than you understand English - I suggest if you want to work on Wikipedia you stick to the Russian language version.
As I see you are extremely rude and need to spent more time on your English lessons. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shotlandiya ( talk • contribs) 16:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
I have put in the main article a suggested compromise - please don't delete it outright but discuss on here before making any changes. Shotlandiya 15:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
Are you sure about "elected"? If Putin wasn't elected in 2003 who was? Kharitonov? Glazev? Malyshkin? 194.60.38.10 16:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
This is the final paragraph from the Politics subsection from this version of this entry:
The strikeout text I removed; it's miscellaneous details of Kasparov's various October 2007 media appearances (it doesn't end there -- I'm listening to him on Fresh Air right now). But that's quite unimportant, unless he did or said something really notable on one or a few of those appearances. If so, grab this text, condense it, and make the quote. As it is now, though, it's not really important and quite United States-centric (he hasn't made it to non-US media?). Michael Patrick 02:35, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
Are the books worthy of some subsectioning?-- Mokru ( talk) 22:03, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
User Quale deleted this following entry as an irrelevant rant. Apparently, he is bucking for a promotion at the Ministry of Truth. BTW, I will reinstate this section as often as necessary - for months on end if required. Philosopher8 ( talk) 15:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Wikipedia works because it has a set of rules. (See Wikipedia:Five pillars). The rules are not perfect, but they are pretty good, and have created an extraordinarily good encyclopedia. So I see 3 options for you:
Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:40, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
Don't you think that this variant would be better? ...a Russian chess grandmaster of Jewish and Armenian descent,..-- Alecxo ( talk) 00:17, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
Well, i didn't say he was of "Judaist descents" :S-- Alecxo ( talk) 01:26, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
He was a Jewish Azerbaijani with Armenian descent, thats the best description.
Many names are overlinked in the article. I removed some of them, but there are too many of Smyslov, Kortchnoi, and others. Bubba73 (talk), 21:05, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
I have deleted the reference to an alleged match against the computer B Zhao because the documentation is too poor. It has been reinstated, and my intention is to delete it again. The only reference is a single, anonymous blog. I can find no mention of it on chessgames.com (which contains many human-computer games, even little-known ones), indeed no other web references at all. For it to be reinstated, I believe better evidence is required. Comments? Peter Ballard ( talk) 02:04, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
This was added again today, and I removed it for the same reason - no references to show notability. If decent references can be found, this assessment might change. Peter Ballard ( talk) 01:50, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
For reference, the original deletion discussion is at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/B_Zhao, and the blog which claims it exists is at http://engineersfuture.wordpress.com/about/ Peter Ballard ( talk) 01:58, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Kasparov's popularity in Russia is subject to much debate. While polls do tend to indicate that he is quite unpopular, and Putin is the opposite, it is worth noting that most of these polls come from Russian news or the Russian government. Both of these sources are controlled by Putin and would not be likely to confirm his opposition's true status if it is indeed supported. Such details need to be included in the article. -- 72.205.63.176 ( talk) 05:13, 31 March 2008 (UTC)