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I am basically going through and eliminating pages of commercial sites which have been appended onto mineral Wikipedia pages to pull viewers off Wikipedia. Yes indeed, they have a partial page or so of standard mineralogical data or other basic information - nothing new or unusual, simple textbook stuff easily available. Then with their bit of info, they have a whole bunch of ad links, product offering links and other links intended to pull users and add Google PageRank to their sites. This is a commercial use of Wikipedia for advertising purposes, which is not allowed. In spite of having a little bit of data, these links fall under the definition of spam. Almost all these same Wiki pages also have a link to mindat.org - a non commercial site with exactly the same basic mineralogical info. Many of the Wikipedia pages themselves have just as much info as the ad/spam pages. - Chris
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Are the groups at http://www.mineralminers.com/html/garminfo.htm correct? If so, I'll put the garnet groups into those subgroups. Pyralspite garnet redirects here, and though we never use the term, the three members of that group are covered here of course. If that link is correct, can someone fix this article to reflect the grouping, or let me know and I will? Same for Ugrandite garnet. Both of these come from the info at scienceworld.wolfram.com. Thanks - Taxman Talk 18:50, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason to substitute AB for the positions with X and Y? In Germany, the positions in lattices of this type are traditionally referred to as A and B, but I don't know how this is in the English speaking world. Cato82 21:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
At one point this page describes pyrope garnets as being "ruby-red" in color. Red garnets are a deeper red than rubies (making it look darker). I'm not trying to be nitpicky but all that description does is fuel people who think garnets and rubies are the same thing (as someone born in January I beg to differ). Lollipop09 01:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I went to the article and changed it to just "red" myself. Garnets and rubies are still not the same thing. Lollipop09 01:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
This article uses the term variety (mostly) when talking about the different types of garnet group minerals. In actuality it would be more correct to differentiate between the species of garnet (andradite, spessartine, grossular, etc) from the varieties of the species of garnet (hessonite, melonite, etc) as there is a significant difference between the two groups see www.mindat.org for the specifics of the different species, their relationships, and the correct current names (almandine not almandite, spessartine a=not spessatite, etc...) Kevmin 01:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have looked through both Wikiprojects, Gemology and Jewelry; Rock and Minerals, and have found no consensus for a specific color for the infoboxes. At this point the large majority of Mineral articles that have infoboxes use the default ?lilac? purple. At the same time the Gem articles are rather sporadic and seem to follow the color of the Gem in question. I would suggest having a discussion regarding a specific color for all mineral articles, but seeing as how the R&M group is not very active, I think I'm about the only one that is doing anything, It is probably best for the G&J project to take the initiative for standardization. In the interim I shall change alternate color boxes back to default in preparation for an end result. (also cross posted to both projects talk pages -- Kevmin 22:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
This page should be merged with the Hungarian equivalent Gránátcsoport: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A1n%C3%A1tcsoport —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.44.44 ( talk) 22:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The gemological tables or details per species should indicate the R.I. for each species and the dispersion values. Demantoid/Andraite is noted for it's .057 dispersion. Dispersion being the refractive index difference between a red (Fraunhofer A) photon and a blue (Fraunhofer G) photon I'll let others more competent than I edit this into the page. -John LeB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.243.168 ( talk) 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
In the birthday article, Garnet is supposedly the birthstone for Tuesday. I didn't want to put this on the article because it could be called vandalism or something. So if anyone has any facts about it, please put it on the Garnet article. Wikimichael22 ( talk) 15:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Wikimichael22
Just a heads up if anyone is working on this article: the "abrasive garnet" section could use some trimming for clarity and conciseness, and has nonstandard capitalization. Crystal whacker ( talk) 00:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the article defines garnets as (X3Y2(SiO4)3), although there are plenty of known garnets that do not contain silicon. See, for example, S. Geller, C.E. Miller, and R.G Treuting "New Synthetic Garnets" in Acta Crystallographica Vol. 13 Iss. 3 pgs. 179-186 (1960) where 23 types of garnet with general formula X3Y2Ge3O12 are reported. From the point of view of a solid state chemist, silicate garnets are a specific instance of the more general class of chemicals with the formula A3M2X3O12 and the crystal structure described in the article.
My question is should the more general system of garnets be its own article, leaving this one as the mineralogically interesting silicate garnets, or should the "synthetic garnets" section be expanded (and renamed) to fill in the rest of the gaps? The current article is quite nice as it is within its scope, but the "Synthetic Garnet" section feels somewhat out of place in part because it includes chemical structures that contradict the general formula given in the box at the top of the article. More specifically, it sort of feels like this section is a dumping ground for the bits of information don't fit within the scope of the rest of the article.
I am happy to do what is needed once I know what the editors prefer. Thanks JaredAllred ( talk) 14:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
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Garnet ranks a high importance article due to it's status a birthstone. It also has numerous subspecies, many of which have notablity. As such the article would receive a high number of page views from this connection. SauliH 06:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Garnet has its uses as an abrasive but it is also used as a counter abrasive in aircraft and aerospace applications. The world's best and hardest garnet comes from the Emerald creek garnet mine in N.Idaho near Fernwood. It is shipped for all applications especially water jet and sandblasting like other sites but is being bought up at an ever increasing rate because of its rarity and finite amount and is becoming more difficult to mine. Their are buyers that are stockpiling it because of this. Its uses in aerospace are for one as a coating on leading wing surfaces by combing it with a polymer. As high speed aircraft pass through the air they encounter fine dust which acts as a sandblaster and eventually erodes leading edges of wing and tail sections. This polymer protects these surfaces as if they are coated with diamond the next hardest stone. The military has other uses as well and has ordered the site to remain operational during the current CCP virus pandemic. Emerald creek also has a public dig site operated by the Forest Service where quality gemstones can be dug for a small fee. It is here where the prized 6 ray specimens can be found in quantity compared to the rest of the world where this type(almandine)is absent or extremely rare. 184.63.66.43 ( talk) 19:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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There is a map of producers which doesn't show America and Australia as producers, but the text says that India and Australia are the main producers. Elsewhere the text says that an American mine is the source of 90% of garnet production (is this an error for 90% of US production? the citation for this is a broken link). Lavateraguy ( talk) 15:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
I have found small quantities of it in my homestate Retrosnap ( talk) 20:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)
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I am basically going through and eliminating pages of commercial sites which have been appended onto mineral Wikipedia pages to pull viewers off Wikipedia. Yes indeed, they have a partial page or so of standard mineralogical data or other basic information - nothing new or unusual, simple textbook stuff easily available. Then with their bit of info, they have a whole bunch of ad links, product offering links and other links intended to pull users and add Google PageRank to their sites. This is a commercial use of Wikipedia for advertising purposes, which is not allowed. In spite of having a little bit of data, these links fall under the definition of spam. Almost all these same Wiki pages also have a link to mindat.org - a non commercial site with exactly the same basic mineralogical info. Many of the Wikipedia pages themselves have just as much info as the ad/spam pages. - Chris
Retrieved from " http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Reno_Chris"
Are the groups at http://www.mineralminers.com/html/garminfo.htm correct? If so, I'll put the garnet groups into those subgroups. Pyralspite garnet redirects here, and though we never use the term, the three members of that group are covered here of course. If that link is correct, can someone fix this article to reflect the grouping, or let me know and I will? Same for Ugrandite garnet. Both of these come from the info at scienceworld.wolfram.com. Thanks - Taxman Talk 18:50, August 25, 2005 (UTC)
Is there any reason to substitute AB for the positions with X and Y? In Germany, the positions in lattices of this type are traditionally referred to as A and B, but I don't know how this is in the English speaking world. Cato82 21:18, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
At one point this page describes pyrope garnets as being "ruby-red" in color. Red garnets are a deeper red than rubies (making it look darker). I'm not trying to be nitpicky but all that description does is fuel people who think garnets and rubies are the same thing (as someone born in January I beg to differ). Lollipop09 01:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I went to the article and changed it to just "red" myself. Garnets and rubies are still not the same thing. Lollipop09 01:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
This article uses the term variety (mostly) when talking about the different types of garnet group minerals. In actuality it would be more correct to differentiate between the species of garnet (andradite, spessartine, grossular, etc) from the varieties of the species of garnet (hessonite, melonite, etc) as there is a significant difference between the two groups see www.mindat.org for the specifics of the different species, their relationships, and the correct current names (almandine not almandite, spessartine a=not spessatite, etc...) Kevmin 01:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
I have looked through both Wikiprojects, Gemology and Jewelry; Rock and Minerals, and have found no consensus for a specific color for the infoboxes. At this point the large majority of Mineral articles that have infoboxes use the default ?lilac? purple. At the same time the Gem articles are rather sporadic and seem to follow the color of the Gem in question. I would suggest having a discussion regarding a specific color for all mineral articles, but seeing as how the R&M group is not very active, I think I'm about the only one that is doing anything, It is probably best for the G&J project to take the initiative for standardization. In the interim I shall change alternate color boxes back to default in preparation for an end result. (also cross posted to both projects talk pages -- Kevmin 22:35, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
This page should be merged with the Hungarian equivalent Gránátcsoport: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gr%C3%A1n%C3%A1tcsoport —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.242.44.44 ( talk) 22:03, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
The gemological tables or details per species should indicate the R.I. for each species and the dispersion values. Demantoid/Andraite is noted for it's .057 dispersion. Dispersion being the refractive index difference between a red (Fraunhofer A) photon and a blue (Fraunhofer G) photon I'll let others more competent than I edit this into the page. -John LeB. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.171.243.168 ( talk) 17:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
In the birthday article, Garnet is supposedly the birthstone for Tuesday. I didn't want to put this on the article because it could be called vandalism or something. So if anyone has any facts about it, please put it on the Garnet article. Wikimichael22 ( talk) 15:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)Wikimichael22
Just a heads up if anyone is working on this article: the "abrasive garnet" section could use some trimming for clarity and conciseness, and has nonstandard capitalization. Crystal whacker ( talk) 00:17, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
I noticed that the article defines garnets as (X3Y2(SiO4)3), although there are plenty of known garnets that do not contain silicon. See, for example, S. Geller, C.E. Miller, and R.G Treuting "New Synthetic Garnets" in Acta Crystallographica Vol. 13 Iss. 3 pgs. 179-186 (1960) where 23 types of garnet with general formula X3Y2Ge3O12 are reported. From the point of view of a solid state chemist, silicate garnets are a specific instance of the more general class of chemicals with the formula A3M2X3O12 and the crystal structure described in the article.
My question is should the more general system of garnets be its own article, leaving this one as the mineralogically interesting silicate garnets, or should the "synthetic garnets" section be expanded (and renamed) to fill in the rest of the gaps? The current article is quite nice as it is within its scope, but the "Synthetic Garnet" section feels somewhat out of place in part because it includes chemical structures that contradict the general formula given in the box at the top of the article. More specifically, it sort of feels like this section is a dumping ground for the bits of information don't fit within the scope of the rest of the article.
I am happy to do what is needed once I know what the editors prefer. Thanks JaredAllred ( talk) 14:44, 27 July 2009 (UTC)
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Garnet/Comments, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
Garnet ranks a high importance article due to it's status a birthstone. It also has numerous subspecies, many of which have notablity. As such the article would receive a high number of page views from this connection. SauliH 06:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC) |
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Garnet has its uses as an abrasive but it is also used as a counter abrasive in aircraft and aerospace applications. The world's best and hardest garnet comes from the Emerald creek garnet mine in N.Idaho near Fernwood. It is shipped for all applications especially water jet and sandblasting like other sites but is being bought up at an ever increasing rate because of its rarity and finite amount and is becoming more difficult to mine. Their are buyers that are stockpiling it because of this. Its uses in aerospace are for one as a coating on leading wing surfaces by combing it with a polymer. As high speed aircraft pass through the air they encounter fine dust which acts as a sandblaster and eventually erodes leading edges of wing and tail sections. This polymer protects these surfaces as if they are coated with diamond the next hardest stone. The military has other uses as well and has ordered the site to remain operational during the current CCP virus pandemic. Emerald creek also has a public dig site operated by the Forest Service where quality gemstones can be dug for a small fee. It is here where the prized 6 ray specimens can be found in quantity compared to the rest of the world where this type(almandine)is absent or extremely rare. 184.63.66.43 ( talk) 19:46, 4 April 2020 (UTC)
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There is a map of producers which doesn't show America and Australia as producers, but the text says that India and Australia are the main producers. Elsewhere the text says that an American mine is the source of 90% of garnet production (is this an error for 90% of US production? the citation for this is a broken link). Lavateraguy ( talk) 15:08, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
I have found small quantities of it in my homestate Retrosnap ( talk) 20:10, 17 July 2024 (UTC)