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"Ռուսական քաղաքականությունն ընդդեմ Նժդեհի Ռուսական միջավայրի համար Նժդեհը բավականին ոչ միանշանակ ընկալվող կերպար է, ռուսական որոշ ուժեր նրան ներկայացնում են որպես «ֆաշիստ»[6]։
2016 թվականի մայիսի 28-ին Հայաստանի առաջին հանրապետության 98-ամյակի առթիվ Երևանում բացվել է Գարեգին Նժդեհի արձանը, ինչին հաջորդել են ռուսական լրատվամիջոցների քննադատական ելույթները. Ռուսաստանի արտաքին գործերի նախարարության խոսնակ Մարիա Զախարովան հայտարարել է, որ «Մոսկվան զարմացած է Երևանում ֆաշիստական գեներալի արձանի տեղադրմամբ»։
Ադրբեջանական քաղաքականությունն ընդդեմ Նժդեհի Հակահայկական քարոզչության մեջ Ադրբեջանի վարած քաղաքականության համար առանձնահատուկ կարևորություն ունի Գարեգին Նժդեհի դեմ արշավը[6]։
Հայկական որոշ ուժերի քաղաքականությունն ընդդեմ Նժդեհի Հայաստանի որոշ քաղաքական գործիչներ և քաղաքական ուժերի ներկայացուցիչներ, Գարեգին Նժդեհին համարում են «ֆաշիստ»։ Այդպիսի գործիչներից է Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի կառավարության ԿԳՄՍ նախարար Ժաննա Անդրեասյանը[6][7][8]։"
To quote the Armenian version of the wiki and translate the general idea. The only groups of interest who call "Նժդեհը" a Nazi or a Fascist are the: 1) Russian Federation previously USSR that captured him and is the main hoaxed source that put out out of context statements and ignore that he mainly talked about sates for the people and for the people of Armenia who in context of ww1 and ww2 were oppressed and did have their lands and governments taken away from their own governance(specifically latter refers to USSR taking Armenia's 1st republics and founding the 2nd socialist republic). 2) Nation state of Azerbaijan a country previously also under USSR's and Russian Federation's wing that takes their statements for grated to use them as an ammo against the nation of rmenia to paint the people as horrendous backward society. 3) Current Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan who is a person in the current political landscape that is heavily trying to through appeasement give Nation state of Azerbaijan the things they wanted which is also confirmation of "Նժդեհը" as a Fascist as one of the possible demands of naming him so. So again there are obvious logical fallacies here and also political motives to push this narrative against a person who never even did any of the proclaimed Nazi collaborations or worked under them.
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 11:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
According to WP:SOURCE Articles should be based on reliable, third-party (independent), published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. but now the article refers to the Armenian Cause Encyclopedia published in Yerevan. So it violates the rule especially in the sections telling about conflicts between Armenia and Azerbaijan/Turkey. I think the wordings must be fixed. -- Quantum666 ( talk) 09:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Reliable and third-party sources are provided. Kevorkmail ( talk) 04:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
They present and support the idea of that the Armenians were survived from being massacred by teh Tatars Kevorkmail ( talk) 10:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
WikiDao ( talk · contribs) wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
According to WP:NPOV, WP:SOURCE, WP:OR, the third opinion and the administrator's decision I made some changes in the article. They include removing POVs and ORs and requests for sources. -- Quantum666 ( talk) 06:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Garegin Njdeh →
Garegin Nzhdeh – per
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Support In modern history the Armenian letter "ժ" (pronounced ž) is written as "zh" and not "j". -- Yerevanci ( talk) 21:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
According to Patrik von zur Mühlen, Nzhdeh proposed the formation of volunteer units, but rejected. His membership of the Armenian legion is dubious. Takabeg ( talk) 04:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
What sources are you citing for this? Do you think SMERSH arrested him by mistake? -- NR SHENER ( talk) 21:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
The statement above is not clear to me: who declared Syunik as a self-governing region? The people defending Syunik or the Bolshevik movement? Any help appreciated. — capmo ( talk) 02:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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1. I checked the very fist provided source, The Armenians : from kings and priests to merchants and commissars by Panossian, and it does state that Nzhdeh Nzhdeh was eventually expelled from the ARD for his extreme and racist views
2.I also checked source about Turkey, Kars-Ardahan and Soviet Armenian Irredentism, it also does state Althught the Turkey was officially neutral during the war, the Soviets argued that the Turks actually aided the Nazi war...
so it was indeed alleged claim.
I can see that you are new to the Wikipedia, I would highly recommend you to start with reading Wikipedia Policies and guidelines. Introduction to Wikipedia and Tea-House a friendly place where you can ask questions are also highly recommended. Please feel free to contact me if you will have questions. Thanks! A b r v a g l ( PingMe) 09:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
The source that's being used to substantiate the breathtaking claim being inserted in the lead is as ambiguous and vague as it comes. Leupold writes in his book that "Biographical material published by the Republican Party of Armenia suggests that the famous fedayee Garegin Nzhdeh, Andranik's brother-in arms 'killed 15,000 Azeris for a total loss of 28 Armenians, and cleansed of their former inhabitants 200 villages in the process of saving Zangezur as part of Armenia.'" His own source is not even given in the footnote (in fact, he only writes "An avenue, a large square and a nearby metro station in Yerevan as well as a village in the southern Syunik Province of Armenia are nan1ed after Garegin Nzhdeh"). All we know is that it's something (essentially a political pamphlet) put out by the Republican Party of Armenia, which has it own agenda to promote and lionize Nzhdeh, rather than a reliable primary or secondary source. Otherwise what is this "biographical material"? Under what title was it published under? Who was the author and what were his credentials? None of these details are provided and yet we're being asked to accept this information at face value. Marshal Bagramyan ( talk) 02:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
… according to the 1995 biography published by the Republican Party of Armenia, killed 15,000 Azeris for a total loss of 28 Armenians, and cleansed of their former inhabitants 200 villages in the process of saving Zangezur as part of Armenia.
For the Armenians, the operation [against Muslim villages in Zangezur] relieved five isolated Christian settlements and reopened the pass to Goghtan; for Nzhdeh, it inspired a resolve to expel Muslim partisans and villagers from the deep Barkushat-Geghvadzor valleys which cut across the heart of Zangezur … Meanwhile, Nzhdeh’s squads inflamed the Okhchichai and Geghvadzor vales … [Prime minister Khatisian couldn't make an excuse] for the campaign against Muslim villages around Shurnukh, southeast of Goris. With the name of Akulis as their battle cry, Nzhdeh’s partisans overran more than twenty settlements … regular army units had helped destroy nine villages on the first day of that offensive and that more than forty hamlets had been wiped out …– The Republic of Armenia, Volume 2, by Richard G. Hovannisian
Около 50 000 мусульман были изгнаны из своих деревень в Зангезурском уезде и бежали в соседние Джебраильский и Джеванширский уезды. Более 100 деревень подверглись полному разрушению, в результате этих набегов лишились жизни около 10 000.– Враг есть везде. Сталинизм на Кавказе, by Jörg Baberowski
It was no more understandable than Armenia’s decision to declare Gargarin Nzhdeh a hero of its own Republic. Nzhdeh was a Nazi collaborator who, earlier in his career, oversaw paramilitary forces who killed over 10,000 ethnic Azerbaijanis.– Russias Interventions in Ethnic Conflicts The Case of Armenia and Azerbaijan, by James J. Coyle
The Armenians asserted their right to their homeland at the expense of these people. In 1918–1920, tens of thousands of Azerbaijanis were expelled from Zangezur … The Dashnak leader known as Njdeh had taken possession of Zangezur, driving out the last of its Azerbaijani population and effecting what one Armenian author euphemistically calls a “re-Armenianization” of the region.) that attest to the ethnic cleansing of Azeris in Zangezur by Nzhdeh. You mention "Russian interventions in ethnic conflicts" as if the title of the publication should somehow discredit its content—If you believe that it's not a reliable source, take it to RSN to prove it there. The bottomline is that there aren't any reasonable grounds to exclude the fact of Nzhdeh's ethnic cleansing which is explicitly supported by 5 sources. If you're still adamant, I'm happy to request a third opinion — Olympian loquere 12:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Thoughout 1919–1921, Nzhdeh effected a "re-Armenianization" of Zangezur (present-day Syunik) [1] [2] [3] through the massacre of 10,000 Azerbaijanis [4] [5] and expulsions of tens of thousands [1] (up to 40,000 [6]–50,000 [5]), particularly in the Barkushat–Geghvadzor valleys and southeast of Goris where nine villages and forty hamlets were "wiped out" in January 1920. [6] During the 1921 anti-Soviet revolt known as the Republic of Mountainous Armenia, Nzhdeh in taking control of Zangezur drove "out the last of its Azerbaijani population". [1]
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"Ռուսական քաղաքականությունն ընդդեմ Նժդեհի Ռուսական միջավայրի համար Նժդեհը բավականին ոչ միանշանակ ընկալվող կերպար է, ռուսական որոշ ուժեր նրան ներկայացնում են որպես «ֆաշիստ»[6]։
2016 թվականի մայիսի 28-ին Հայաստանի առաջին հանրապետության 98-ամյակի առթիվ Երևանում բացվել է Գարեգին Նժդեհի արձանը, ինչին հաջորդել են ռուսական լրատվամիջոցների քննադատական ելույթները. Ռուսաստանի արտաքին գործերի նախարարության խոսնակ Մարիա Զախարովան հայտարարել է, որ «Մոսկվան զարմացած է Երևանում ֆաշիստական գեներալի արձանի տեղադրմամբ»։
Ադրբեջանական քաղաքականությունն ընդդեմ Նժդեհի Հակահայկական քարոզչության մեջ Ադրբեջանի վարած քաղաքականության համար առանձնահատուկ կարևորություն ունի Գարեգին Նժդեհի դեմ արշավը[6]։
Հայկական որոշ ուժերի քաղաքականությունն ընդդեմ Նժդեհի Հայաստանի որոշ քաղաքական գործիչներ և քաղաքական ուժերի ներկայացուցիչներ, Գարեգին Նժդեհին համարում են «ֆաշիստ»։ Այդպիսի գործիչներից է Նիկոլ Փաշինյանի կառավարության ԿԳՄՍ նախարար Ժաննա Անդրեասյանը[6][7][8]։"
To quote the Armenian version of the wiki and translate the general idea. The only groups of interest who call "Նժդեհը" a Nazi or a Fascist are the: 1) Russian Federation previously USSR that captured him and is the main hoaxed source that put out out of context statements and ignore that he mainly talked about sates for the people and for the people of Armenia who in context of ww1 and ww2 were oppressed and did have their lands and governments taken away from their own governance(specifically latter refers to USSR taking Armenia's 1st republics and founding the 2nd socialist republic). 2) Nation state of Azerbaijan a country previously also under USSR's and Russian Federation's wing that takes their statements for grated to use them as an ammo against the nation of rmenia to paint the people as horrendous backward society. 3) Current Prime Minister of Armenia Nikol Pashinyan who is a person in the current political landscape that is heavily trying to through appeasement give Nation state of Azerbaijan the things they wanted which is also confirmation of "Նժդեհը" as a Fascist as one of the possible demands of naming him so. So again there are obvious logical fallacies here and also political motives to push this narrative against a person who never even did any of the proclaimed Nazi collaborations or worked under them.
This article was automatically assessed because at least one article was rated and this bot brought all the other ratings up to at least that level. BetacommandBot 11:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
According to WP:SOURCE Articles should be based on reliable, third-party (independent), published sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy. but now the article refers to the Armenian Cause Encyclopedia published in Yerevan. So it violates the rule especially in the sections telling about conflicts between Armenia and Azerbaijan/Turkey. I think the wordings must be fixed. -- Quantum666 ( talk) 09:57, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
Reliable and third-party sources are provided. Kevorkmail ( talk) 04:48, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
They present and support the idea of that the Armenians were survived from being massacred by teh Tatars Kevorkmail ( talk) 10:03, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
WikiDao ( talk · contribs) wants to offer a third opinion. To assist with the process, editors are requested to summarize the dispute in a short sentence below.
According to WP:NPOV, WP:SOURCE, WP:OR, the third opinion and the administrator's decision I made some changes in the article. They include removing POVs and ORs and requests for sources. -- Quantum666 ( talk) 06:39, 8 October 2010 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: page moved per request. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:05, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
Garegin Njdeh →
Garegin Nzhdeh – per
WP:COMMONNAME
-- Takabeg ( talk) 11:57, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
Support In modern history the Armenian letter "ժ" (pronounced ž) is written as "zh" and not "j". -- Yerevanci ( talk) 21:35, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
According to Patrik von zur Mühlen, Nzhdeh proposed the formation of volunteer units, but rejected. His membership of the Armenian legion is dubious. Takabeg ( talk) 04:28, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
What sources are you citing for this? Do you think SMERSH arrested him by mistake? -- NR SHENER ( talk) 21:47, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
The statement above is not clear to me: who declared Syunik as a self-governing region? The people defending Syunik or the Bolshevik movement? Any help appreciated. — capmo ( talk) 02:17, 15 May 2016 (UTC)
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1. I checked the very fist provided source, The Armenians : from kings and priests to merchants and commissars by Panossian, and it does state that Nzhdeh Nzhdeh was eventually expelled from the ARD for his extreme and racist views
2.I also checked source about Turkey, Kars-Ardahan and Soviet Armenian Irredentism, it also does state Althught the Turkey was officially neutral during the war, the Soviets argued that the Turks actually aided the Nazi war...
so it was indeed alleged claim.
I can see that you are new to the Wikipedia, I would highly recommend you to start with reading Wikipedia Policies and guidelines. Introduction to Wikipedia and Tea-House a friendly place where you can ask questions are also highly recommended. Please feel free to contact me if you will have questions. Thanks! A b r v a g l ( PingMe) 09:44, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
The source that's being used to substantiate the breathtaking claim being inserted in the lead is as ambiguous and vague as it comes. Leupold writes in his book that "Biographical material published by the Republican Party of Armenia suggests that the famous fedayee Garegin Nzhdeh, Andranik's brother-in arms 'killed 15,000 Azeris for a total loss of 28 Armenians, and cleansed of their former inhabitants 200 villages in the process of saving Zangezur as part of Armenia.'" His own source is not even given in the footnote (in fact, he only writes "An avenue, a large square and a nearby metro station in Yerevan as well as a village in the southern Syunik Province of Armenia are nan1ed after Garegin Nzhdeh"). All we know is that it's something (essentially a political pamphlet) put out by the Republican Party of Armenia, which has it own agenda to promote and lionize Nzhdeh, rather than a reliable primary or secondary source. Otherwise what is this "biographical material"? Under what title was it published under? Who was the author and what were his credentials? None of these details are provided and yet we're being asked to accept this information at face value. Marshal Bagramyan ( talk) 02:52, 29 October 2022 (UTC)
… according to the 1995 biography published by the Republican Party of Armenia, killed 15,000 Azeris for a total loss of 28 Armenians, and cleansed of their former inhabitants 200 villages in the process of saving Zangezur as part of Armenia.
For the Armenians, the operation [against Muslim villages in Zangezur] relieved five isolated Christian settlements and reopened the pass to Goghtan; for Nzhdeh, it inspired a resolve to expel Muslim partisans and villagers from the deep Barkushat-Geghvadzor valleys which cut across the heart of Zangezur … Meanwhile, Nzhdeh’s squads inflamed the Okhchichai and Geghvadzor vales … [Prime minister Khatisian couldn't make an excuse] for the campaign against Muslim villages around Shurnukh, southeast of Goris. With the name of Akulis as their battle cry, Nzhdeh’s partisans overran more than twenty settlements … regular army units had helped destroy nine villages on the first day of that offensive and that more than forty hamlets had been wiped out …– The Republic of Armenia, Volume 2, by Richard G. Hovannisian
Около 50 000 мусульман были изгнаны из своих деревень в Зангезурском уезде и бежали в соседние Джебраильский и Джеванширский уезды. Более 100 деревень подверглись полному разрушению, в результате этих набегов лишились жизни около 10 000.– Враг есть везде. Сталинизм на Кавказе, by Jörg Baberowski
It was no more understandable than Armenia’s decision to declare Gargarin Nzhdeh a hero of its own Republic. Nzhdeh was a Nazi collaborator who, earlier in his career, oversaw paramilitary forces who killed over 10,000 ethnic Azerbaijanis.– Russias Interventions in Ethnic Conflicts The Case of Armenia and Azerbaijan, by James J. Coyle
The Armenians asserted their right to their homeland at the expense of these people. In 1918–1920, tens of thousands of Azerbaijanis were expelled from Zangezur … The Dashnak leader known as Njdeh had taken possession of Zangezur, driving out the last of its Azerbaijani population and effecting what one Armenian author euphemistically calls a “re-Armenianization” of the region.) that attest to the ethnic cleansing of Azeris in Zangezur by Nzhdeh. You mention "Russian interventions in ethnic conflicts" as if the title of the publication should somehow discredit its content—If you believe that it's not a reliable source, take it to RSN to prove it there. The bottomline is that there aren't any reasonable grounds to exclude the fact of Nzhdeh's ethnic cleansing which is explicitly supported by 5 sources. If you're still adamant, I'm happy to request a third opinion — Olympian loquere 12:48, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
Thoughout 1919–1921, Nzhdeh effected a "re-Armenianization" of Zangezur (present-day Syunik) [1] [2] [3] through the massacre of 10,000 Azerbaijanis [4] [5] and expulsions of tens of thousands [1] (up to 40,000 [6]–50,000 [5]), particularly in the Barkushat–Geghvadzor valleys and southeast of Goris where nine villages and forty hamlets were "wiped out" in January 1920. [6] During the 1921 anti-Soviet revolt known as the Republic of Mountainous Armenia, Nzhdeh in taking control of Zangezur drove "out the last of its Azerbaijani population". [1]
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